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#65464 - 02/08/05 04:48 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  

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just don't clip its wings for about.. a month, then give it a donut, and let the damn thing fly away, NOW whos bird is it?

#65465 - 02/08/05 04:52 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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ALAGASH THAT IS A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY!!!!! I don't know who you are or if you are joking, but I just lost my parrot due to it's wings getting longer than I realized and flying away!!! I AM APPALLED AT WHAT YOU HAVE WROTE!!!!
Why would you come here and make a comment such as that....this person is obviously very worried about the chance that she might end up losing her bird and then someone comes along like you and makes a comment like that.....Then I looked at your profile and realized that you must be here to stir up trouble because you don't sound serious at all.
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#65466 - 02/08/05 05:26 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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A huge thankyou to Jerry and the Mods for removing the person that was causing trouble. You guys are right on it!!!! Some people can be so heartless!!
Ang

#65467 - 02/08/05 05:46 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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OH MY!!!! How can you say a thing like that??? Like Angie said, I am worried to death over this. I wake up worried, I am worried all day, and I go to bed worried and it starts all over again. I do not need to hear or read crap like that.

We did some research on the lawyer the organization has working for them, and it doesn't seem good for us. Mind you the headquarters of the organization and the lawyer reside in the same county.

Animal Welfare (lawyers names) XXX & XXX has been appointed by the county humane societies in XXX, XXX and XXX Counties to act as special prosecutor for animal cruelty cases. As long-standing members of the Animal Legal Defense Fund, we pursue a broad range of animal welfare issues, from veterinary malpractice, to estate planning for the care of a pet, to zoning issues relating to animals.





My husband thinks this is a conflict of interest, but what does he know. And my friend thinks it could work to our advantage because removing our U2 would be considered "cruelty to animals", in our eyes anyways.

As for now I will wait it out and get everything I need. I am also in contact with our countys Humane Society to see what they can do to help.

I think a big advantage is getting the News involved, but we have to talk to an attorney to see when that can be done "legally". I think they would back off because they would not want the publicity when they are in desperate need of funds to build this outdoor building for the birds (which makes me sick to think of my U2 in that building instead of his home!)

Your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!

#65468 - 02/08/05 06:24 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Thanks Jules, your Holiday Inn Express comment has cracked me up once again. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> In response to your comment, I did read up on it and I thank all who provided info on it. If I am not mistaken, I heard this organization applied for it but was denied. I have no idea why.

The good news today is my U2 finally took a shower!! He would never go in the shower with me, we always have to bathe him in the sink. When we take him in the shower with us he runs along the top of the shower doors and jumps and swings on my curtains...back and forth...back and forth! LOL You could always tell he was very curious and he is also very verbal while doing his marching. But today for some reason...he stretched out for me to take him and I slowly put him under the spray. He loved it!!! He spread his wings and was so happy he was laughing, I nearly cried from the new experience!! Why now, I asked myself? Maybe it is a sign that everything will work out!

Well I am going to try and get some sleep, Lord how I need it! I will check in tomorrow to check for more valuable info and the support that you all have shown. I can't express enough how much this message board and all the loving and caring people has meant to me and my husband. Thank you all!

#65469 - 02/08/05 07:02 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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I'm with DB
An attorney is the best way to go.
And DON'T give up YOUR beloved U2!

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to keep it, perhaps you should
reconsider its suitability as a pet.
#65470 - 02/08/05 04:33 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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shovelheadme - what is the name of your U2? (I guess I missed that)

This has had me greatly concerned and I am glad for the updates.

It appears that the "Rescue" has told you that they want to put information about this case on their internet site. This is why you need to not talk to them, they are attempting to build up a "story" and they will use anything you say against you. It also shows that they are not serious about filing a suit. They are going to try to intimidate you with lawyer letters, e-mails, phone calls, internet trash talking and threats.

Also, I suggest no threats on what you might do. It is better that you just wait until you think it is appropriate and then just do whatever you are going to do (make it public, sue for harrassment). Threats and intimidation are their game, you don't have to make it yours.

You need to get as much documentation from your friend as you can...any paperwork about the money/stove and transfer of the bird to her and possibly have her write something about the transfer to you. Good luck.

#65471 - 02/08/05 04:55 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Good Morning Robert and thanks for your response. I have indeed left out my U2's names, as well as the names of all parties involved and our location to protect my U2 and my family. Tomorrow is the deadline according to their lawyer, so we will sit back and wait to see what happens next. Once again, I have had no contact with the organization or their lawyers. At 1pm I will be speaking to our Avian vet and the avian vet techs, they want to know exactly what is happening because they deal with this organization.



Basically, I am starting to believe this is going to be a he said she said kind of suit. The only real thing they have is the contract that is not notarized and looks really hokey. What we have is so much more, because we know we love this bird and we care about his well being.



If someone knows of any articles written about U2's and the difficulties finding homes for them, self mutilation, feather plucking etc, that I may legally use, let me know. To have as much information as possible can only help my cause even more!

#65472 - 02/08/05 05:14 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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There should be a wealth of information right here under your fingers. The search engine will bring up just about any situation you can imagine. shocked

#65473 - 02/08/05 06:19 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Charlie -


Oh I know, but I was under the impression that I could not use it because of this statement: All posts on this message board are copyright and may not be used without permission.



I personally have learned a great deal from this site. The information has been invaluable to us. I was looking for articles etc, that I may print and take to court with me if they follow through with the suit. I meant no disrespect to the information provided on this board, I just was unaware that I could use it. How do I go about obtaining permission to use this sites information? I love all the information on the mytoos.com home page and I find it very true!

#65474 - 02/08/05 06:22 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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This is Jerry's board. You can ask him at:

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#65475 - 02/08/05 06:30 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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I hope all goes well! I do not know to much about legal issues in the case of adopted animals etc! But I can tell you, it seems the bird is better off staying put then to be ripped again from his home! My thoughts are with you while I follow this thread!

#65476 - 02/09/05 02:53 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Tell'em all to GHAN GET ......, he's your baby now. Bugger them the bird's welfare comes first. I could not careless about their problems they were happy to unload him. Isn't possesion 9/10 of your law? Besides with whom is the bird happiest with? Let him attack this dropkick. God I'm upset about this I wish I could be there to tell this person where to go. Don't you dare give him up, lock the door and apply for an AVO (apprehended violence order) if they come around. Remember our motto: Who Dares Wins.
You can beat this. Don't let this person in your home and DON'T give them the cocky. Give them as many birds as you like but not the cocky.
Good luck champ.

#65477 - 02/09/05 04:54 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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I am waiting to hear from Jerry whether I can use information provided on this site as a means of defense. If this is brought to court, I want the judge to know everything possible about these kinds of birds and what they can do to themselves if in distress. If he gives me permission, maybe I should just start a new thread and those who would like to be heard about this situation, can provide their knowledge and experiences.


Well, today is the day. Our U2 was to be returned before or on this day. So we just sit tight and hope they are blowing smoke! Thanks again for all your comments and support!

#65478 - 02/09/05 05:07 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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i'm thinking of you all. please please keep us updated wink

#65479 - 02/09/05 07:12 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Oh do I feel for you Shovelhead! Don't give in. Everyone is right. They have no right to the bird. Keep plenty of documentation. Make there lives miserable. Threaten suits, bad publicity, whatever it takes. All thru an attorney. Do not contact them yourself and do not take any phone calls from them. Here in Florida we can call the local news channels. They can help. They will do an investigation into the type of rescue and its practices. A huge embarrassement if they are also breeding! 99% of your rescues are against breeding. Good luck and keep us posted!

#65480 - 02/09/05 08:05 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Our prayers are with you. They would have to drag me kicking and screaming to get any of my animals. Everybody has given such good advise, don't give up.

#65481 - 02/09/05 08:21 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Just read your post and something you said jumped out at me and here it is (I also know that when my friend had a animal to drop off to the rescue, she was told to leave it on the front porch, she is never aloud in the house.) WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? Good luck

#65482 - 02/09/05 08:35 PM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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You are in my thoughts. I hope its just smoke that will blow away easily. Please let us know what happens.

#65483 - 02/10/05 08:03 AM Re: Being sued for my Too! Help!  
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Just posting to let you all know, nothing happened today. No phone call from their lawyer, which I was kind of expecting but nothing happened. So once again, we will sit back and pray.


The last couple of days our Too has been acting quite differently. And just maybe he is sensing "our" distress and is in big time comfort mode. We can not put him down for a minute! He has always been affectionate, but he also enjoys his time in/on his cage. But what really shocked me tonight was this: My husband was on the computer downstairs, with our U2 on his cage, and I was upstairs watching TV and all of a sudden I hear a strange cracking noise on the steps! So, of course I get up to look. I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT!! For the first time since I have had him, he climbed a flight of stairs!!! (Doing lots of damage to the wood on the way up! eek ) He was coming to see me!!! laugh

I just wonder if he does know what I feeling and knows how worried I am and is trying to comfort me?? It's just strange that all these new "firsts" (like showering with me) are occurring when our family is going through this mess! Do I sound nuts or what?!?


Well he is sleeping soundly and hopefully that is what I will be doing here shortly!


I will let you all know if anything transpires tomorrow. Thanks for keeping us in your prayers!


Oh yeah... I am battling a bad cold and I learned today NOT to blow my nose with him on my shoulders, he does not care for that to much! eek <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

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