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#56216 - 07/28/06 05:09 PM "Biting" and playing  
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As some of you may remember from previous posts, I have a 7 month old G2 who as far as I can tell is very healthy, developing normally, and adjusting well to life with her flock.

Much of what is posted on this site seems to be about aggressive biting, so I'm not sure if the same answers apply to what I'm dealing with. So this is the situation...

Over the past few weeks as we have been playing she has been testing her beak harder and harder on my fingers. To a certain extent, it feels like testing, but it also seems like she does it when she gets overly excited while we're playing. Is this pretty normal?

I've handled it so far by telling her "no bite" and rubbing the top of her beak with my other hand. This seems to be enough of a distraction to her that she lets go to see what I'm doing. I then hand her something she is welcome to bite as hard as she pleases. If she does it more than twice, I stop playing with her and put her back on her playtop to play as frenetically as she likes. Admitedly, a couple of times I've flinched and given an ow, because it startled me and hurt. Then progressed to my other plan.

Am I handling this okay for what it is. It doesn't seem like she's scared or trying to be aggressive, just that she gets overly worked up while she's playing.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Cat

#56217 - 07/28/06 05:19 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Hey Cat...I don't know much about baby birds (well, birds in general for that matter...everytime I think I know something "for sure" about mine, they go out of their way to do something different! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> ) but it sounds to me like you are handling the situation correctly...if not, someone will say or may have a better idea smile

#56218 - 07/28/06 08:35 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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I agree with Relle. Think you are handling things perfectly. Kim

#56219 - 07/28/06 08:58 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Rocco, my U2, is nearly 2 years old now, and he's started biting a bit harder lately, and more frequently, as though he's testing the limits. Never any serious bites. Usually rubbing him under his wings is enough to make him stop it. Other times I'll just make myself a sandwich. As soon as I start eating he loses all interest in biting at my fingers - peanut butter tastes so much better I guess. I always have a few of his toys on the couch with me too. I'll put one on my shoulder, he'll climb up after it and chew on it and throw it on the floor. I'll pick it up and repeat the process until he's tired enough to fall asleep on my chest and be cuddled.

Sometimes he bites lightly but many times in rapid succession. That, and the look in his eyes, tell me he's irritated by something. Then I just put him in his cage without closing the door. He always comes back when he's ready, usually within a 10 minutes.

Sometimes I sing to him too, which he loves, and it's also evidence that he has no taste whatsoever in music.

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#56220 - 07/28/06 11:55 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Cat, Darwin my G2 who is 9+/- yrs. does something similar. He, I believe, is "testing" our trust boundries.The reason I think this is, while doing it, he will look at my finger, then look me in the eyes to make sure I'm watching. He will take my finger, mouth and tongue it, and then "bite" it gently. Sometimes he increases the pressure little by little. If he does increase the pressure, I'll say "easy, easy" or "be a good boy, Darwin" ,and that usually keeps him in line, as he will release my finger. On the occasional time that he will bite down too hard, I'll say "too hard, Darwin" and take my finger from his beak and stop our skritches, or whatever touching we are doing. He's never bruised or broken my skin. But I must admit that it took a while for me to trust him to this extent laugh

#56221 - 07/29/06 01:57 AM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Isn't is amazing that all these companion 'toos with beaks like wire-cutters seem to know how hard to bite without causing us any real damage! I suppose if I didn't have hands I'd use my mouth to communicate too.

All these intuitive 'too owners seem to be on the right track where non-aggressive biting is concerned.

My red-tailed black female uses her beak in play and when she is annoyed but has never broken skin. When she gets overly boisterous, for example when our lorikeet is too close (jealousy issues!) I try not to react verbally (saying ouch seems to incite her more). I either distract her with the other hand if she is nipping the arm she's standing on or, instead of pulling away from her, I do the opposite - push gently and steadily towards her beak until she lets go but before she loses balance. This has proved very effective and she usually stops after the first few times. If she is really aggro I put her back on the stand and ignore her. Within five minutes she is begging to be picked up again and is as sweet as pie and ready for cuddles.

#56222 - 07/29/06 03:19 AM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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I remember this stage really well! Even though they are not “babies” anymore, they are still learning what they can do with their beaks, and also how much pressure is needed to get your attention. The bird is also searching for it’s position in the flock, the older the bird becomes the more it will challenge you.

I have always made a point of taking the birds beak in my fingers and applying very slight pressure when telling them “No bite”. The older the bird becomes the more you may need to reinforce this. It’s all a learning stage for them. Just remember that just because they are small, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have a BIG attitude!

Good luck.


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#56223 - 07/29/06 04:56 AM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Thanks so much everyone. Tells me I'm on the right track and I just need to keep at it. I had beak indents on my thumb as I typed the question this morning, so I figured it was time to make sure I was doing the right thing. smile

#56224 - 07/29/06 09:28 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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In flocks, birds seem to engage in a certain amount of beak-to-beak interaction. Some of it is allopreening; some is allofeeding. But some seems to be just "beaking" each others' beaks, "rubbing noses", as it were. My (somewhat limited) experience is that my birds often seem to enjoy having their beaks rubbed with a finger or fingernail, sometimes harder than others. I do this if they are beaking me, or if they are rubbing their heads against me, as Sunny does sometimes. The responses to this beak rubbing vary from "purring" to rubbing and beaking back, to pulling away. It doesn't seem to be hostile, though, for the most part.


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#56225 - 08/05/06 04:36 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Abigail your 1yr. will somtime put her beak on my finger to help climb up or uses her beak to bite onto me to climb. It is never hard. There are a few time I belive she tests limits tho. That is when I change my voice deep and say NO! loud and give her a slight flick on the tope of her beak with my finger. That is enough to let her know she did wrong and I can tell she feels bad. I give her a few mins. then coddle her and talk to her in my baby voice. I save deep loud tone for naughty things and only use that tone when required so she knows.

Works quite well.

Best of luck Rexxen

#56226 - 08/05/06 09:47 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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My G2 is about 1 1/2 years old. He is also testing the limits and has been a little more of a pill than before. I always keep something on hand to distract him. If it gets bad I take away his favorite toy, which is me. I say "Too much biting" and he goes onto his stand and I leave the room. Five minutes seems to give him the hint and he calms down a little bit.

What I am finding very useful is teaching him tricks. This seems to be making both he and I very happy. I use a T-stand and unsalted, raw sunflower seeds from a health food store. So far he waves and can nod his head yes. He only gets the seeds during trick training. The key is getting him addicted to them first.

Be careful about rubbing them under the wings except on rare occasions as this is a sexual behavior.

#56227 - 08/30/06 07:00 PM Re: "Biting" and playing  
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Chloe, our 3yr old G2, gets to playing, gets excited and starts beaking harder. We have gotten good results by saying "be gentle" and stopping the exciting activity.


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