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#52743 - 12/02/05 09:06 PM Swollen vent?  
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My 9 year old M2s vent has been enlarged for about 2 weeks now. I took her to the vet thinking it was some kind of infection but they did not find anything. My vet tells me it is hormonal and shes sexually maturing. He also said if Im not careful she will need surgery for cloacal prolapse but I do not see any signs of that. She is acting the same as she always does, nothing has changed with her behavior. She does not strain at all when she poops but she does "leak" a little.

Has anyone ever experienced something like this?

My vet really scared me good with this one. I am so stressed out about it. I would love to take her to another vet for a second opinion but in my area, he is the one and only avian vet.

Any info is very much appreciated.

#52744 - 12/02/05 09:37 PM Re: Swollen vent?  
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Yeah, a second opinion would be good. It could be inflamation or cloacitis. Maybe this little blurb will give you and your vet something else to look at. We have several discussions about "prolapse" if you do a search but it doesn't appear that yours has progressed to that state yet. I hope it doesn't. Please let us know how it progresses.

Cloacitis

#52745 - 12/02/05 11:54 PM Re: Swollen vent?  
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My vet tells me it is hormonal and shes sexually maturing.
At nine years old, he's probably right... :p

Not exactly sure what you mean by an enlarged vent, but I do think some vent swelling is pretty common when a bird is hormonal. I've noticed with some of my birds that along with the slight vent swelling, there is also quite a bit of pulsating . Not a pretty sight to see, but it is a good mood indicater... <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

#52746 - 12/03/05 12:35 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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<img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> ditto, ron pack. also see this in my amazon. let's you know what they're feeling.

#52747 - 12/03/05 04:04 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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O.K. I'm new so if this is a stupid guess please excuse it. Just wondering if perhaps "She" may be getting ready to lay an egg? Dr. Mike, when I took my too to see him (She's still a baby) told me that at some point the females (Although more common in small birds) may start to lay eggs as she sexually matures. Just a though:) I do hope she's o.k. Elaine.

#52748 - 12/03/05 05:15 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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My vet mentioned the egg scenario but he disregarded it for some reason. He mainly believes it's hormonal but I still don't have answers. Will this go away? Will her vent be as large as it is now forever? Will the discharge (as I call it) stop leaking out of her?

I asked my vet these questions but no real answers were given. He's continuously told me not to masturbate (I couldn't believe he said that) her. I don't do that nor have I ever saw her attempt to do anything of the sort. Unless I don't know what the signs are.

Everything I told him she does, he says is a sign of sexual frustration. I asked him about "baby cry". She comes real close to me and kind lays like a hen against my chest and looks at me with those beautiful eyes and grunts kinda. It's so cute but he says it a sexual thing and to stop it. I just don't understand.

She is my only avian companion and I've only had her 8 years. I do not have a lot of experience with all these symptoms or signs because she has been healthy the whole time I've had her.

I would love a second or third opinion. If anyone knows a vet in the Northern NJ area please let me know. I've called a couple places but no luck.

Thanks for letting me rattle on. I am just so frustrated and scared for my girl.

#52749 - 12/03/05 05:28 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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Hi, I have an 8 1/2 year old Male Umbrella Cockatoo and have been having major issues with him for the past 2 years with prolapsing. He would prolapse every time he pooped but would always go back in until 2 months ago when it stayed out, I had to take him to the vet, have it put back in and he now has sutures in his vent, has had Luprone shots and is on antibiotics because he strains so much when he poops. I can say this is extremely stressful, but he is doing much better. I talked to a guy that has a bird rescue and is super knowledgable about birds, he said change his diet, absolutely NO JUNK FOOD, just feed pellets, NO SEED, Limit Nuts and feed LOTS of vegetables, fruit, pasta, rice, beans. Diet means so much and I've already noticed a big difference in 2 days of him not eating any junk food. The swollen vent may be bacteria infection. Birds get stressed with the season changes. I would take a poop sample to your vet and have a gram stain done. Also just pay very close attention to her when she does poop to make sure she is not straining or prolapsing. My birds vent is very swollen due to the prolapse and inflammed clocoa. Sexual maturity usually happens around age 5 - 6, so at age 9 she may be ready to lay an egg. Just make sure she is getting the proper nutrion, cook her a scrambled egg, shell and all, mine loves scramled eggs, just make sure you wash the shell before you crack it. Good luck any more question just post. I have learned so much in the last 2 months, just researching the problems I've been having with my Boonie.

#52750 - 12/03/05 05:36 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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What vet are you seeing? I live in PA but have been traveling an hour to a vet in NJ and they seem to be pushing surgery which I refuse to put my baby through, it is too risky. I would seriosly look at the diet she is eating, I don't know what her diet is but look at my last post. I don't want to see these little guys put through any unnecessary surgeries. I will keep you posted on my progress with the diet change and am also looking into something else that I will let you know about when I find out some more info. Hang in there.

#52751 - 12/03/05 06:05 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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The laying down on you is sexual...the grunting is sexual....the baby cry is sexual....and unless I'm wrong, she probably tilts her head back and pants and looks like a baby wanting to be fed while at the same time quivering every time you pet or stroke her.

Listen to what your vet is telling you... I think it's safe to say that you are stimulating her by cuddling with her and it's very possible that she could drop a little white gift on your lap and start calling you daddy.

Now would be a good time to study up on the *indications of egg laying.....

#52752 - 12/03/05 11:47 PM Re: Swollen vent?  
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Boonie Boy - My vet is in Nutley, NJ about 2 minutes from my house. Where do you go? I wish I had some kind of reaction from my vet, not surgery but some support. She'll eat anything and everything if it's offered to her. She's basically on seed but every night gets a warm meal, whether its sweet potato, scrambled egg, or "mush" which is just steamed veggies blended together. She will not touch pellets, I tried only twice.

Thanks Ron. You hit the nail on the head. I had no idea that "baby cry" was anything sexual. She only snuggles up for it once and a while so I didn't think it was anything. But it has been more and more lately, but more so when she visits my mother's house. She runs right over to her and waits for the attention.

If she is hormonal, will the swelling go down? Some days it's worse than others.

I really want to thank all of you for your responses. It helps a little during this stressful time.

#52753 - 12/04/05 12:45 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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My vet is in Cherry Hill, NJ. Try Zupreem Avian Maintenance - Natural, Boonie is very fussy but seems to really like them, expecially since I totally pulled all seed from his diet, I always hear him crunchy away on the Zupreem.

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Nika's Mom. Dr. Mike Doolan in Oakhurst, New Jersey is wonderful. I'm not sure how far North you are, but I'm at exit 74 on the Pkwy and travel to exit 105 to see him. He spent almost two hours with Boo and I. There are a lot of vets that say they do Avian, but you have to be careful because although they may see birds in their practice, it doesn't really mean that they know what they are doing. Dr. Doolan is truly an Avian vet. He is with Oakhurst "Exotics" Animal Hospital. I would highly reccomend him. Elaine

#52755 - 12/04/05 09:04 PM Re: Swollen vent?  
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Thanks for the suggestions. Cherry Hill is a bit of a hike for me but Oakhurst is closer to me. I am exit 151 off the parkway so it's still a stretch but to be honest, I would travel if it meant getting a second or third opinion if this gets worse each day. There is actually another vet in the same office I go to but I don't know if she just does the check ups or if she's truly an avian vet. I might try her if I have to go back again before I start traveling. Yesterday she was a little worse with a lot of "leaking" but today it's a much better day. I guess I have to take it day by day and hope for the best.

#52756 - 12/05/05 01:13 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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My eight-year-old Umbrella cockaoo Gergie was handfed by me...and no eggs ever until this September. She has laid 3 eggs and began "passing wind" as she poops since laying them. In November I noticed her poop was staining her feathers, something she had never had before. This is when I saw her "swollen" vent. I took her to a vet in a nearby town who said it was hormonal and to watch it. About 10 days later on a Saturday, I saw blood on Gergie's vent area feathers and took her to a closer open vet. He said the same thing...a hormonal issue. That is two opinions...and I mentioned prolapse...he said no. I don't really agree with what he did when he gave her a cortisone injection for the swelling. (Hormonal?) Included with this injection was an antibiotic to prevent an infection from the bleeding, and she is finishing up her antibiotic syrup now. (I suspect she was picking at herself too hard while she cleaned her soiled vent area, so bled.) Her vent is still swollen, and she laid Egg #4 this past Tuesday evening, in the dark in her room. I examined the egg immediately and there was no smear of blood on it, which I have seen in some of my smaller birds. Gergie appears fine. She still pants at the sight of me; the doctors instructing you not to encourage the bird do not understand the emotions of Umbrellas. I can walk by my bird room and all three of my (sister) Umbrellas may pant in unison at the sight of me. One of them likes to hold big toys in her beak and pants at me with the toy crammed in her beak. She's in her cage while I'm some feet away and not giving her individual attention. Joy has laid three eggs this year and is a seven-year-old, but she has not had a swollen vent. The six-year-old (AJ) has not laid eggs yet. It does not appear to me that Gergie's vent is any more swollen after egg #4 passed. I would not be surprised if her vent remains this way...swollen and "puckered" appearing.

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"Puckered" that's the perfect word for it! I don't mind if it stays that way but I would at least like the "leaking" to stop. it's getting too messy. She can be anywhere, doing anything and she'll leave behind a little puddle.

I think that's the hard part. Not being able to show my girl the attention she wants or I want to give her. I can't stand that she wants to be cuddled and I can't hug her.

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Yes, I agree with you, it is sad that they love so intensely and we can't cuddle. My Gergie can see her real dad through the window. He's outside with mama, but still, she loves me the wrong way. The first vet thought seeing dad was the problem, but I told him, no, it is me. I don't think they "get" it. I get a chorus of "Mama, I love you," from my 3 toos and one African grey. I have pointed to myself and said Mama, and they were taught to say "I love you," but added Mama in front of it. Gergie said it first and now the others copy her. I'm convinced they understand this emotion. I have not seen the leakage that you speak of, but am wondering if this fluid is what is causing Gergie's poops to stick to her feathers on the way out? Maybe the poop is catching on this fluid, which I assume could be a little sticky. It's a thought. Gergie is so clean and now this mess. I suspect the blood was accidentally self-inflicted from trying to clean her feathers. Her droppings are normal. I want to rinse her with warm water, but would need to wipe her, so there goes that idea. An invitation to another egg. I have managed to keep Tuesday's egg in the cage with her. Maybe this will help. Both vets suggested it. She broke the first three eggs, but #4 I put to the side where she can't pull it up with her papers. I hope this helps. Don't be shocked if Nika gives you an egg.

#52759 - 12/07/05 06:18 PM Re: Swollen vent?  
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The "leaking" is usually a clear liquid that just drips out at any time. Sometimes it's a little white in color but basically it's clear and its very watery, not sticky at all. It happens when she's out but it's really bad when she sleeps. She comes out of the cage and all her tail feathers are dirty and wet. Like you said, I can't wipe her clean so I just say her with a water bottle and let it drip off.

I am so scared of her leaving me an egg. Too many problems that can come along with that. I'll have to start reading up on that.

#52760 - 12/14/05 01:09 AM Re: Swollen vent?  
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Hi, I just saw your message; have not checked site for a while. Is her vent still swollen? Gergie's is and it's scaring me a little, even though I've taken her to two different vets. I'm afraid neither vet knows "quite" enough--and the good vet is too far for me to drive alone. I can't drive Southern California freeways. I've noticed the overnight droppings appear more watery than usual with Ger, but am not sure about the leaking--yet it would explain the dirty feathers, yet normal density droppings. I guess if M2 is still leaking, then she's still swollen? Did you read that article on one of these posts about cloacitis? Neither of my vets mentioned this--and I don't have a prolapse, but it's like a dark cloud hanging over my head. The only thing that helps me is that my too has her two sisters in the same room with her and her buddy, my African grey. Also 3 cockatiels. If she were by herself, it would be heartbreaking for me. This way she has her buddies to compete with, etc. I'm beginning to think it's not a good thing to domesticate this type of parrot. I think Ger's 2 sisters will be fine and not have this problem, but if you can't give them physical attention, and they love you, this seems so sad to me. I could not have children, so these parrots are like children to me. I would never do anything to hurt them, yet look at this. I understand what you mean about the egg-laying. I never dreamed this would happen with a cockkatoo, but I've seen it with cockatiels and should have known better. I hope you're feeling better, but it is stressful after a while.

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Yes, it's still swollen. She hasn't leaked for one whole day but I'm sure it will come back. I noticed yesterday after I returned home from work she was not as swollen as she has been before. But it seems to fluctuate. Her demeanor seems to have changed. When this all started she was kinda sleepy and not playful. Now she is back to screaming and running around the house. No egg so far!

I mentioned cloacitis to my vet once I read the article here but he stands by his original prognosis that it's a hormonal thing.

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Hello, something is acting up on my computer this evening...quick note before I get bumped off. Thank you for your information. It is similar to what is going on here. Her vent is looking better today, but it had been looing more "rounded" swollen than "puckered" lately. No more eggs since our last post. I have had 4 eggs total, and over a week since the last one, which is good. Better go before this box disappears. Thank you very much for your update. I appreciate it. Thanks again!

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