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#33237 - 01/05/07 03:15 AM 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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I am surprised that there is very little mention of eucalyptus trees or gumtrees or acacia's,
In the Australian bush as well as suburban areas there is an abundance of these type of plants/trees in Australia. Grass seeds are another favourite for Too's that graze in the wild.
I wonder if there is any effect, of feeding unnatural foods to Too's. (By unnatural I mean cooked treats and foods that wouldn't be found in Australia.) I can understand that in certain countries these are not available. (in my eyes it seems almost a crime not to allow these majestic birds to eat the foods they would instinctively eat in the wild.)

I know there are species of Australian trees that will grow in tropical, temperate and cold environments.
I also know that Snapper loves to chew on fresh tucker.
I just uploaded a short video of Snapper enjoying some Gum tree shoots that i picked for him. Watch the video "Snap's bushtucker" and listen to a flock of Rainbow Lorikeets flying past. It is a twice daily event here. There are hundreds of them.

http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p65/Pawls/

#33238 - 01/05/07 03:52 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Okay, now we're jealous! Hundreds of lories!

That's a nice setup Snapper has: big feed trough, and a mirror so he can make sure his beak is clean after eating <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

I'm convinced. I don't have a cockatoo, but the tiel gets fresh whatever-I've-got from the garden in season, and the houseplants in winter. Any ideas where to get gum-tree seeds or seedlings here in the states?


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#33239 - 01/05/07 11:56 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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hey jm47,
I was thrilled to read your approval of the setup I have. laugh (I change the perch branches and move things around from time to time)

I was also pleased to read that you answered my next question before it was asked, I was going to ask about mirrors.
(Snapper seems quite content when he is admiring himself in the mirror and regularly rests there by the mirror as well)
I wanted to know what other purpose it served.

But, On the subject of seedlings or seeds. I was wondering about the same thing (how can you guys in the U.S. get some confused )

I will be speaking to some Australian Customs Officers next week.
I will make some enquiries about export. At this point I'm not sure what the legal requirements are or if it is even possible to export these plants. As either seed or plant. Are permits required, or fumigation/quarantine etc? but I will look into it.

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I suspect some stuff is available in the States, but I bet it isn't called the same thing here. (Sort of like "tucker" and "billy" and even the word "wild", which used to mean "very angry") Acacia is a familiar word, but I wonder whether the tree or shrub you have by that name is the same one the nurseries here sell as acacia.
Eucalyptus is available in several varieties, but again, I don't know if it's the same thing you call eucalyptus. I need to do some more research on this, but haven't had time just recently. To be honest, I've had an errrm, interesting day or two here: didn't get the door of the upright freezer properly closed the other night, and am having to do a bunch of very fast conversion of thawing vegies and fruits into cakes and pies, on short notice. The nice thing is, I may work myself into oblivion for a day or 3 or 4, but then it'll be a YEAR before I ever find myself rolling pastry late at night before a potluck laugh .

edit: Some birds enjoy mirrors and others get so excited or frightened or angry, the mirror has to be removed or covered. Snapper seems to have a good time posturing for the bird in the mirror, judging by the video. One of my guys (neither one is a cockatoo) just cuddles up to his mirror at every opportunity; the other sort of ignores it or acts like he's scared of it. Each bird is different, sort of like any other living creature able to move around and respond to visual stimuli. . .


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#33241 - 01/07/07 12:04 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Wow, eucalyptus! I just tried to do a little research and got estimates of from 300-700 species, almost all of which are Australian. On top of that, many trees called "gum" down under are really species of eucalytus. I'm going to look into this further but it's playoffs today! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

#33242 - 01/07/07 01:45 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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My apologies for not being more specific but i was just making a general comment, I realise there are in fact hundreds of plants that fall into the description of "gumtree" or "eucalyptus"
The reason I mentioned it is that the idea of preparing treats (like chicken or cheese for example) troubles me.

I wouldn't feed my Too many of the things that you (in the U.S.) seem to feed your birds. Having said that I am trying to broaden my Too's diet with limited success. I guess it is a case of doing what you can with what you have.

#33243 - 01/07/07 03:24 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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laugh I don't watch playoffs, but I did find that about 70% of Australia's native vegetation is eucalyptus of varoius kinds. Amazin'! Looks like somebody had a big plantation of eucalyptus trees, perhaps for the medical use, and weeded it really well! It is touted as a repellant for mosquitos, gnats, and all sorts of other annoying bloodsucking insects. If you can find a variety that will grow in your yard, you can provide not only bush tucker, but also an area less likely to attract carriers of Dread Diseases! Wonder why Wendy (our exchange student from Australia) didn't tell us all this forty-some years ago? laugh The info might have saved me at least (I tend to USE stuff like that) hours and hours of itching eek
Ah, well, that which doesn't kill us makes us tougher...scratching produces scar tissue :p .

Paul, like you, I tend to lean toward raw and natural. I do make versions of some of our breads and cookies for the birds, but I figure if God wanted birds to have already-ground-up grains and nuts, He would have made them without beaks for shell removal and chewing, or at least made the nuts and seed without hulls. My favorite food prep is done mostly with a knife.


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#33244 - 01/08/07 08:03 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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The Cuctoms Officers I spoke to offered no information about the possible export of seeds/seedlings.
I have had a bit of a look into seed exports. It appears that there is some projects underway that are exporting Acacias, Casuarinas and Eucalypts in an effort to reforest various parts of the world.
Have a look at
http://www.fao.org/docrep/q1460e/q1460e06.htm
for some more details. It seems these plants are in high demand all over the world (indicating that there may already be stock in U.S. or somewhere closer to U.S. than Australia)

#33245 - 01/13/07 05:15 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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There is a company in Victoria which can ship eucalypt leaves and toys world wide- the cater mainly to budgie owners but I'm sure too's would love their stuff

My tiel Irwin loves his gum braches and leaves- not sure if his actually eats them but he loves to shed chew and destroy fresh leaves and twigs- sure keeps him quiet on a Sunday morning

Budgie world homepage (I hope it is okay to post this link- the sell only bird products and I didn't see any breeder links, please delete it if it's not appropriate)

#33246 - 02/05/07 01:47 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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smile Hi Snapper is lovely, Billy & I live in Aust to, down on the Mornington Peninsula in Vic, He loves hes bush tucker, Toos are a lot smarter than we give them credit for they know what not to eat so you can offer them just about anything that is naturally grown, if they refuse any of the offerings you know that it is bad for them, I have been told that too much bread is not good for Toos? Billy has bannana on toast every morning for breakfast followed by two apples and orange juice, i wonder if l am doing the wrong thing? Billy loves the mirror as well but l don't have one in hes cage, i was told it stops them talking, but l do show him the mirror after he has had hes weekly shower with me and he kisses it and says "HELLO THERE" "WHAT YOU DOIN" i wonder if he thinks its another too?? its nice to know of an Aussie on the same time zone. i've added you to my buddy list, hope you dont mind, we should have a chat in the chat room soon!! :p

#33247 - 02/06/07 11:07 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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I haven't posted in a while...
Update.... Snapper is refeathering on his chest after a recent plucking episode brought on by a bacterial infection. He now gets mist sprayed a couple of times a day (this is supposed to help with feather regrowth and reduce plucking as apparently a too won't pluck when it's wet) and it encourages him to preen as he dries.
Snapper is eating corn, beans, peas, carrots and his daily fresh tucker. his seed intake is greatly reduced from what it was. I have observed a noticable change is snapper's
behaviour which I associate with the diet change...
As for the chat... My Baby Billy The Kid. no problem.

#33248 - 02/06/07 11:40 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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One can get eucalyptus {California tucker :p ) at the following site:

EucProducts of California

For those interested in the American history of the Eucalypts, here is a fairly exhaustive piece:

Eucalyptus

#33249 - 02/07/07 12:31 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Wow, great idea! I never thought about feeding eucalyptus leaves to Toos, but it makes sense!

Thanks Charlie for the links, i'm defenitly going to read/learn some more about eucalyptus as a food!

Ellen smile

#33250 - 02/07/07 01:21 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Eucalyptus leaves are great for Cockatoos but please NEVER give your birds Eucalyptus ie bottled for using as a liniment etc.
Aussie Jim.

#33251 - 02/07/07 03:51 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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I have always believed that most problems with captive birds, other exotics too, is they lack something from the natural diet.

In nature, I'm betting, they eat all kinds of thing daily. They probably eat what is ripe and ready to eat at the right time. One day may be new shoots, another day may be a swarm of insects, the next day may be very ripe fruits.

I wish there was some way I could mimic what they eat and when they eat it. Right now we can only try to give them the best.

#33252 - 02/07/07 05:09 PM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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I was tooling around on the web, hunting for a live seedling I could plant and have some hope of keeping it alive in this area, and found several sites that gave me pause. This is one:
www.prbo.org/OBSERVER/Observer108/focus108.2.html

Knowing that thousands of these trees have been planted in the past couple of centuries, and that firefighters call them "gasoline trees" and that they choke out native vegetation, has about got me convinced that if I do get a eucalypt, it is going to stay in a pot eek


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Maybe this will help ?

http://www.geocities.com/scribblyfaq/birdfeeding.html
(think the above website should be safe from breeding as its for people that enjoy observing nature)

And
Possible grass seeds :

MILLET SEED,ANISEED,BLACK RAPESEED,BLUE MAW,PAGIMA GREEN,BROWN PERILLA SEED, BUCKWHEAT,CHIORY SEED,CANARY SEED,
PLANTAIN SEED,RUBSEN PESEED,FONIOPADDY,SAFFLOWER SEED,
GOLD OF PLEASURE,GROATS,HEMPSEED,TEAZEL SEED,WHITE LETTUCE SEED, LINSEED,WHITE PERILLA SEED,MARRIAN THISTLE.

#33254 - 02/08/07 12:51 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Well I've notice several in my area. Time to ask for clippings.

#33255 - 02/08/07 02:01 AM Re: 'down under' food....we call it tucker.  
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Hi Snapper,

I'm from Perth Western Australia. I have a wonderful little weero (teil) called Gero. On my daily morning walks, I notice flocks of Rainbow Lorries feeding on yellow flowering gum and short beaked corellas feeding on gum nuts from Jarrah (eucalptus) trees. Both pink and grey galahs and white correllas also feed on the ground and it appears that they indulge in some native grasses, similar to millet sprays. Do you get bottlebrush or what is known as grevillea in your neck of the woods, because my little weero just loves it, one of the main purposes for my daily morning constitutional. These grevilleas are shrub like bushes growing to an average two metres in height and have a flower which all the parrots tend to love. There are many varieties and I think I read somewhere they were preparing them for the export market. I believe Israel and a few other middle east countries have purchased numerous varieties of eucaluptus and grevilleas from Australia to reforrest their desert areas.

We have a few nurseries here in WA (Western Australia) which deal specifically in native, water wise plants. With climate change etc, many varieties are drought tolerant. Makes good sense.

Loved the pics of your mate.

Regards,

Linda

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The link that won't work is about the fact that native American song birds are dying from attempting to eat insects from around eucalyptus trees. They have smaller beaks than the native Australian birds, and the gum sticks to their beaks and either sticks them shut, so the birds starve, or it actually gets in their nares and suffocates them.


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