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#31155 - 08/02/05 05:01 PM Best Brand of Pellet  
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What brand offers the over all best nutrients as far as pellets go? Allan is so picky, he will taste new things offered to him, but never eat them, he is a complete seed and nut junkie so I am slowly switching him over to Zupreem which actually is going pretty well, but I know there are a lot of other brands out there, but which one is the best for the picky birds?

#31156 - 08/02/05 08:45 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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There are a wide variety of pellets out now to choose from. I would say if you only have one bird go with the Harrisons diet. But there are others that are good also, I have never tried the Rowdybush but have heard good things about it. I like you use the Zupreem. But take your time and do a little research. I know the Harrisons is very very expensive but it is a good food.

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#31157 - 08/02/05 08:48 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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I use Harrison's - my Goffins loves it so much that she won't even eat seed as a treat anymore.
So I had to buy some of their Power Treats & she loves those too!

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#31158 - 08/02/05 10:18 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Yep I only have the one 2- G2, but I also have a Parrotlet and a Cockatiel, neither is too finicky on what they get or eat. I went with Zupreme because there some of the pellets in his current seed mix look like a cheaper version of what is in Zupreme, and he eats those so the switching has gone fairly easy, although I havenít entirely taken the seed away, and he wonít touch the brown pellets which are also in the current seed mix AT ALL-those get thrown down for Gizmo (our dog) to eat. I did check into the Harrisonís and like you said it is expensive, and he is doing okay with the Zupreme, maybe I will try mixing the two. I also found Beak Appetite, maybe I will try that too, get him more interesting in better human foods. My only concern is lack of proper nutrients seeing he wonít eat any veggies other then corn, sweet potato, & once and a while reg. Potato, and I know his diet for at least the last 5 yrs has been, well for lack of better words crap, and I am sure the other homes werenít too much better so that is 25-30yrs of crappy food.
I thought building trust and getting through some screaming would be hard, I would have never thought getting him off of seed/nuts and wanting human junk food would be lol. :p Thank you guys for all your help so far, I know I would have a rough time without you! smile

#31159 - 08/03/05 01:04 AM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Yes I have to admit the Harrisons is just out of my budget also.Try cookin up some grits or oatmeal add a little scrambled egg to them along with some small pieces of fruits and veggies mixed in. When I first got my birds and got them off of the seed diet and strictly on zupreem which they seem to love also. I started doing the trick way of feeding to get them to eat their fruits and veggies. Oh if you want to save some money on ordering your Zupreem you can order it on line at ((foryourbird.com)) its the cheapest I know of and they deliver very fast.Good luck smile

Bonnie

#31160 - 08/03/05 10:52 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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What brand offers the over all best nutrients as far as pellets go?
IMO....Foundation Formula.....and here's why.

http://www.holisticbirds.com/HBN01/may/pages/products.htm

#31161 - 08/04/05 05:35 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Ron, I'm going to try some of the Foundation products including their pellet... What has thrown me is the claims made by the other organic company, Totally Organic, regarding soy, wheat, and peanuts.

When you get a chance, will you look at the link below and give your opinion...thanks

http://www.totallyorganics.com/products/top_parrot_pellets.htm

#31162 - 08/05/05 02:33 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Honestly, this is the first I have heard of this brand....but I do like the ingredients, and the price. I also like the way these people are up-front by saying NO pellet is a complete diet and suggest feeding other foods....

If I'm not mistaken, to be certified organic, only 95% of the ingredients used need to be organic....which leaves room for 5% of something else, and who knows what that something else might be.....usually additives, fillers, or sprayed on synthetic nutrients.

This sounds like a good pellet to me....thanks for the link.

#31163 - 08/05/05 03:08 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Sounds almost good enough for me to eat LOL! I think I will try it for Angel. He doesn't eat much fresh foods but I'm still trying but this sounds better than zupreem that he does eat. Wonder if he will eat it? Picky Picky he is!

#31164 - 08/05/05 05:19 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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I think it does sound good also smile I'm going to try both foundation and the Totally Organic pellets. I don't like mixing pellets together in one bowl (ron get ready to roll your eyes at me..lol) cause I think they're all formulated uniquely and there may be important nutrient loss if eating a few pellets from various brands at the same time...However, I think variety in pellets (if the birds will go for it) is a good thing.

Ron, the issue of vitamins is pretty complicated and it's going to take me some time to understand the implications of synthetic vitamins in pellets. I read the links you provided on the other thread written by Alicia Mcwatters and although I reserve the right to change my mind after I read more, I didn't like how she carelessly listed foods such as grapes as a source for flavonoids and vitamin C. We know grapes and a lot of other fruits aren't good for birds even if it contains a vitamin that may be healthy.

I think inorder to do an appropriate study on the effects of natural vs synthetic vitamins one has to look at the food source as a whole to first determine whether there are negative components that out weigh the positive. Alicia doesn't do that. Go ahead and feed your birds grapes because Alicia says it's a good source of flavonoids and vitamin C eek and grapes are just one example. The other thing she doesn't address (which to me is the most important) is that the likelihood that you can get your parrot to eat enough of a variety and the right quantity of fresh foods to get all these wonderful vitamins into their body each day is pretty slim.

I'm very interested and I'm going to read more about it...in the meantime, Harrison's puts two ingredients in their food that I didn't see in Foundation or Totally Organic: Montmorillonite clay and kelp. The clay neutralizes toxins and helps digestion and the kelp "is high in vitamins and minerals such as calcium, magnesium, potaassium, niacin, riboflain, and choline. Algin, which is helpful at pulling out intestinal toxins and heaavy meatls" (holistic Bird). I like those two ingredients.

#31165 - 08/05/05 07:11 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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You mentioned something about grapes in your last post. I have tried every type of treat for Angel and he won't eat anything, but he will eat grapes. I only give him one as a treat a couple times a day, is this okay for him? Because if it isn't I don't know what else I could possibly give him.

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Here is an article that I, personally, like. It addresses all the issues talked about in this thread (grapes are 1/3 way down). It is a fairly long article but worth the read. It also has a section on picky eaters.

Preventing Pate de Foie Perrot smile

#31167 - 08/05/05 07:59 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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...and here's another article or blurb about grapes:
http://www.holisticbirds.com/Hbn02/autumn02/pages/foodpp6.htm

Another very important reason not to feed grapes is because they can be toxic due to pesticides that can't be washed off. It's just not worth the risk! Earlier this year a member lost a lot of his flock to grapes. I can't find the thread...If you serve grapes though, make sure they're a product of the USA.

Les's favorite fruits are pomegranates and fresh cranberries (I hope nobody tells me either of those are bad!!). He also LOVES all winter squash which are fruits. Other then that he doesn't care for fruit but I'll offer him berries and an occasional suck of a cherry smile

#31168 - 08/05/05 08:23 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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WEll I can tell you two are not high on Angel's like list smile haha just kidding, well I will keep trying but he doesn't like much. I try to give him something he likes when he is a good boy. (not biting and stepping up) I'm going to the store to get some formula today so maybe they have something that I haven't tried yet to give him for a treat. Thanks guys.

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We have two treats that really work at our house (doesn't mean they will at yours, :p ). Unsalted pistachios and pine nuts. They are fatty and we use them as rewards for <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> exceptional behavior, so not many are fed!

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I have deleted the post pointing to the opinion of another website concerning pellets. We dont know who's getting money under the table (if any) for these endorsements.

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What brand offers the over all best nutrients as far as pellets go? Allan is so picky, he will taste new things offered to him, but never eat them..
Why worry how nutritional the pellet if the bird wont eat it?

That's why we say....

"The best pellet is the pellet your bird will eat."

We say that assuming you know what the "good" name brands are verses the bad (Hartz etc).

If your bird wont eat it... it doesnt matter HOW good the ingredients are. So you get samples of as many name brands as you can ( Harrisons, ZuPreem, etc) and see what your bird likes. It's also great if your bird likes more than one, because at SOME point he'll probably get tired of even his favorite for awhile.

I might be more concerned with this issue if the only thing we were feeding our birds were pellets. But we dont because we supply so many other good foods (hopefully).

#31171 - 08/05/05 09:05 PM Re: Best Brand of Pellet  
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Thanks for all the great info guys, I am going to make the switch to pellet, still tossing which brand though and I like the diffent flavors Beak Appetite has to offer for a treat for Allan. It did scare me though reading the article that Charlie posted I know Allan has been fed seed his whole life and he is between 10-30yrs old, and now I am worried about it shortening he life frown is there anyway to combat the damage an all seed diet has already done?
Charlie where on earth did you find unsalted pistachios? I have looked all over my town and local towns and can't find them anywhere, and Allan loves them!

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Allan's Mom, it's never too late to start converting to a good diet.

I doubt you'll find unsalted pistachios in a regular store. You might find some in a health store but they are not available in the stores around my house. Lots of online bird outlets have them.

Drs. Foster and Smith, unsalted pistachios

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Oh yeah, Les loves unsalted pistachios and thanks to him I now love unsalted pistachios also. smile

Allan's mom, I buy them at Trader Joes. Do you have that near you?

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Here is a vet who shares Alicia McWatters fresh foods idea. She makes a convincing case with some very interesting support.

Dr. Karen Becker - Total Avian Health

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