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#257156 - 11/05/14 07:44 AM My disclaimer  
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The social experiment of psittacines as companion animals has been fraught with failures. The way I see it, there needs to be near-term and long-term strategies used in dealing with these failures. In the near-term, I see that we are staring down a possible future where parrots are routinely euthanized simply due to a shortage of homes for them. For the near-term, I agree pretty much with founding principals of mytoos.com. Dealing with near-term problems must be first and foremost and they must be dealt with now.

Once the near-term problem has been effectively solved, the open question will become, "What is the future of psittacines as companion animals?". I am middle-aged and it could take quite a bit of time before a satisfactory solution to the immediate problems is reached, meaning that I will probably not directly participate directly in the long-term strategy. However, I feel that that the long-term strategy is something that should be discussed now.

I find it difficult to discuss my position concerning psittacines as companion animals with most people that I meet off-line because they are just not that interested in the subject. My opinion involves quite a bit of subtle nuance instead of a simple yes/no answer that today's dialog demands. I find myself in a world where people with the most extreme viewpoints get the most voice in the media, and those with a moderate view get little voice. When it comes to the relationship between humans and animals, there are two sides who are most vocal. One side believes that man has dominion over all the creatures of the Earth. Man can do whatever he wants to with any other creatures he wants to without regard to pain or suffering. The other vocal extreme is the animal rights groups that think that people should not keep animals of any sort, including pets such as cats and dogs.

I am disappointed that the discussions in the philosophy section of mytoos has dwindled to almost nothing. I would like to discuss and debate the finer points of future of psittacines as companion animals. I am a person that believes that only through discussion and debate can we suss-out the best ideas. Ideas that are forwarded and accepted without challenge usually turn out not to provide the best solutions. The ideas that can be defended are the most worthy. I have looked around the threads in the philosophy sub-boards, and it seems that most of the topics that I am interested in already have threads. I will start by simply adding my comments to those threads. The first thread I wish to address is the licensing thread.

In-closing, I want to reiterate, I agree with mytoos that for the here-and-now, the most important thing to do is eliminate/severely curtail the breeding of new companion parrots until the overflow of birds in rescue shelters is brought down to a trickle instead of a torrent. As George Bernard Shaw and Robert Kennedy said, "There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?".

#257160 - 11/05/14 07:44 PM Re: My disclaimer [Re: Specialist Elbru]  
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Originally Posted By: Specialist Elbru


I am disappointed that the discussions in the philosophy section of mytoos has dwindled to almost nothing.

Considering that most of the members that stick around are of the same mind set I feel is the reason for the decrease in discussion.
There is very little that we as a group can change nation wide but there is a lot that we can do. One of the most important things that each of us try to do is educate. When ever the opportunity arises telling of the plight of parrots in captivity just may prevent one more person from buying. Telling others about and sharing our daily experiences with parrots helps to make them understand or to relook at having one of these creatures live with them. Educating the public about where these cute cuddly birds comes from and what they grow up to be may prevent one person from buying that cute bird in the pet store. Standing in front of the bird display in a pet store for 20 minutes, 10 minutes will help persuade that one person to go to a rescue and save that one bird. I do it all the time with the names and numbers of local rescues available to give to people. In doing this I hope I can make a difference in one birds life.


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#257162 - 11/05/14 08:54 PM Re: My disclaimer [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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I actually find it quite surprising that the people you encounter are not interested in learning about parrots and the care, intelligence, and uniqueness. As well as their plight. It's almost daily I encounter someone asking me questions and wanting to learn. I'm very honest and open with everyone that they are not just a pet and how they don't fit well in most homes and inform them about adoption pro's vs buying cons and most don't end up with any because they realize they are so much work they couldn't offer proper care. I'd rather see them with no parrot than find another forced into rescue. I encourage them to come see my birds. See by home. Really experience the real deal.

I agree with nancy. We have had much discussion and most of us think so much alike we don't have to preach to the choir.


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#257164 - 11/06/14 01:20 AM Re: My disclaimer [Re: Specialist Elbru]  
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I do not typically have difficulty engaging folks in parrot keeping or the plight of captive parrots.


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#257168 - 11/06/14 03:42 AM Re: My disclaimer [Re: Specialist Elbru]  
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Most people seem very interested when I tell them I have parrots, they usually begin to gush "oh, i love birds, I've always wanted one" I always have the rescues number and website handy for those who are still interested after I show them pics of my chewed up furniture and a video of a blood curdling cockatoo temper tantrum. if I had seen that before hand I'm not sure I'd be here with all of you fine folks!


#257170 - 11/06/14 04:53 AM Re: My disclaimer [Re: Specialist Elbru]  
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Just had one of these conversations this past Sunday evening at of all places Subway. We were on our way home from our lake house and stopped for a sandwich at a Subway restaurant thats on the way home.

I use the duck quack sound on my cell phone for text messages because it repeats four times before stopping. Both of my daughters sent a message at nearly the same time as it sounded like a flock of ducks had landed in the store. A woman sitting nearby looked at my wife and asked what that was. My wife said oh thats just his cell phone, you should hear his Molucaan cockatoo. They talked for a couple minutes then the woman started asking me questions about Chucki. After about 20 minutes of speaking with her, I think she still felt parrots were interesting, but I'm pretty convinced she would never have one. smile


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#257194 - 11/08/14 06:39 AM Re: My disclaimer [Re: Specialist Elbru]  
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I don't currently work with the public at the zoo/sanctuary that I visit. I also choose to visit the place during the times when there are few visitors. When I do encounter visitors, most are more interested in the mammals than the birds, it seems they view the birds as a minorly interesting thing to see in there visit. The most frequent question I do get in my interaction is "Does he talk?". When the birds do mimic human speech that is the one thing that gets the attention of the kids. Up to now most people just stop and look for abit, then it is off to the next creature. If I were to encounter a visitor that was truly fascinated in a bird, I would engage them in conversation on how difficulty it was to keep a bird at home. If they sounded like they were interested in getting a parrot for themselves, then I would stress the importance of doing research on-line, to visit mytoos and Googling "parrot rescues organizations". I've looked and It seems that the nearest rescue that does adoptions is about 100 miles away, I would encourage the person to get a bird from there, instead of puting money into he hands of a breeder. I was working at building a relationship with Harley the blue and gold macaw, by offering him popsicle sticks. He was destroying them quite efficiently. While interacting with Harley, a lady with two kids came towards me and the birds. I had to warn them not to get too close to the cage, because Harley would chew-up a finger as as fast as he would chew-up a wooden stick. There is one lady that does most of the care and feeding of most of the birds along with select mammals in the zoo. I do talk to her about the individual birds in the zoo and parrots in general. But, I have to take care and not distract her from her duties, she is always very busy.

I don't ever get the chance to engage anyone about my thoughts regarding the long term sustainability of parrots as companion animals. I don't talk about plans that may take two to three decades to implement. I envision a world where where people can keep parrots in a way that is beneficial to birds and humans alike.

In this thread, I was mainly lamenting the fact that the activity on this sub-board has slowed. If you count the threads according to the year in which the last response was made, 2005 had 33 threads and the years before that had about the same number, 2009 had 20, the years after that averaged about 7 per year. I suppose that the decrease in activity can be attributed to the consensus of people that have chosen to remain active on mytoos.

The fact that mytoos is NOT just a happy-go-lucky fluff board, was what drew me to here. Being willing to discuss the reality and hard choices of dealing with parrots is something that makes mytoos unique. Before, joining I spent hours reading the philosophy sub-board of mytoos . Topics such as the implications of addling a fertile egg, and how it was destroying a living embryo is a discussion that appears on no other on-line community, Mytoos dose not flee from hard-hitting difficult topics. The discussion in the philosophy sub-board is where the essential elements of real world cases can be abstracted out and a general motives behind the actions can be explained.


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