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#25045 - 02/02/05 06:20 AM 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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A fascinating new study on the nature of bird intelligence is being reported on over at CNN.com.
Headed by Duke University,an international panel has finally acknowledged what we already know,that birds are extremely intelligent and have the capacity for very complex thought and emotional responses.
These include planning.lying,and complex communications.
The head of the study was quoted:
'Birdbrain is no longer a putdown,but a compliment'.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/01/bird.brains.reut/index.html

#25046 - 02/02/05 02:13 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Nemo Bravo!!! Excellent article. Nancy


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#25047 - 02/02/05 03:50 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Very cool, indeed.

#25048 - 02/02/05 10:57 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Does that mean they'll stop slaughtering chickens for food now? *crosses fingers*

Anyway, at least some birdies will finally get the recognition they deserve. Poor chickens.

#25049 - 02/02/05 11:27 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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I just finished a meeting with Dr. Alice Powers, who was one o fthe authors of the paper in nature Reviews. According to Alice, the group reviewed the classification of the structures in bird brains, and realized that many of the structures that used to be considered "cortical", meaning dealing with instinctual behaviors, were really "pallial", meaning that they deal with higher thought processes. This would explain how crows know how to fold a wire to use it to get food, how my cockatoo knows precisely how to open her "unopenable" cage, and cool stuff like that. We all knew our birds were smart, now there is a scientific basis for this.

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#25050 - 02/02/05 11:53 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Birds also have society classes. Meaning they weak are pushed out and destroyed. It is all for the survival of the flock. I have personally watched crows attack a sick/old crow until he died. Also one time at the beach I witness a crippled seagul over and over being "pushed" out of the group trying to eat bread crumbs.

I believe that as long as humans believe they are superior to animals and don't give animals their "PROPS" as my teenaged son would say, we will see abuses of many more animals.

#25051 - 02/03/05 12:39 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Correction noted, Dan.

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said Erich Jarvis of Duke University in North Carolina, who led the study:

For instance, "primitive" regions of avian brains are actually sophisticated processing regions that similar to those in mammals, the group said.

He said some birds have evolved cognitive abilities that are far more complex than in many mammals.

#25052 - 02/08/05 04:43 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  

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so, since when did birds have a consious??

I don't think they do.
when a parrot bites my arm, does it say sorry?? Nooope
not unless TRAINED to do so.

if you have to train anything, it is NOT considered inteligent life

#25053 - 02/08/05 04:53 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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I have personally witnessed times when my cockatoo did something seriously wrong and KNEW it was a serious offence... and displayed through his eyes and body languauge that he was indeed sorry. Other times he WASNT sorry and I knew that too.

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Alagash,
If it speaks poop it is probably full of poop.
Why are you posting here?
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#25055 - 02/08/05 04:59 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Why don't you take a flying leap?????????????

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Alagash, AKA Cannon has been removed from the board due to his second post of which I also removed.

#25057 - 02/08/05 05:24 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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THANK YOU JERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laugh

#25058 - 02/08/05 05:25 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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I apologize for the use of cuss words in my post,,,I see that someone changed them to poop for me, thankyou.....no disrespect towards the board intended, but to see someone post that kind of nonsense is just beyond words to me!!!
THANKYOU JERRY!!!!
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#25059 - 02/08/05 05:25 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that my les feels bad when he bites me sometimes.

If he bites and I let out a yelp he'll quickly give me a kiss and gently tap my hand with his beak as if to try to make things better. Or if he's in a sassy mood and I tell him "les no bite" he'll put my finger in his beak and look at me. He won't bite down but he's teasing me!!

Gosh, he's so smart!

#25060 - 02/08/05 09:31 AM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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Actually, Crows and Ravens have the intelligence of 10-12 year old children. African Greys, they say have the intelligence of 8-10 year old tots, and Macaws and Cockatoos, 5 year old children.
My Buster Bird knows when he's done something wrong. Sometimes when I am carrying him to a room that he doesn't frequent, he'll get upset and I'll see his beak open, and he'll start hissing...I'll tell him "Buster, NO" and that's when he'll look at me and start kissing noises and will say "buster pretty boy". He knows! He bit me once cause I made him come when he wanted to stay on his perch, and he wouldn't stop kissing and hugging...he knew I was angry and I knew he was sorry. He climbed off his cage and came to me to snuggle with me on the couch, and stayed there for hours until I told him it was ok.
He reads anger and hurt, emotions and vocal tone..they are not stupid animals...no creature is. ANYONE who discredits the intelligence of animals, DOES NOT DESERVE THEM IN THEIR LIVES!

#25061 - 02/08/05 05:27 PM Re: 'Birdbrains' no more!  
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I agree parrots are intelligent creatures. They don't have the full range of human intellect but they sure are no dummies!

Peaches knew when she went too far and when I was angry and she'd 'suck up' to me with loud kisses and sweet 'hellos' till I forgave her.


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