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#24784 - 10/02/04 07:17 PM 'Too ownership avoided  
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There is an online classified ad section of azfamily.com, and one post was from a young lady about to turn 16, who decided she wanted either a cockatoo, or an african grey for her birthday. (Oh no..) I posted that anyone considering a cockatoo should visit mytoos.com. Apparently she did, because her following posts said she was looking for an african grey. I believe she is too young for a grey as well, but didn't know of a grey site that would let her know the facts about the commitment she thinks she wants to make. Also, she is posting that she is selling her snakes, which she has had for two years. I wonder if she made a similar "commitment" to them when she got them. Thanks mytoos for providing information.... it is so important to get the facts before you get a bird.
Carole

#24785 - 10/02/04 07:59 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  

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I have been searching for the ad placement from this 16 yr old on the website that you mentioned so that I can also advise her of the challenges/requirements, etc that AG require. Any parrot, especially the large species, can end up just like the toos. Can not locate. Please PM me with some directions to the actual post. THanks much,

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BRAVO TO BOTH OF YOU. This is the exactly kind of cognizant response to our agenda we hope for.

YOU SEE OUR MESSAGE IS GETTING OUT THERE.

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#24787 - 10/02/04 10:28 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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The ad is below. I've been in contact with her, didn't know about the snake until I saw the post here. I had asked several questions which included other pets from the past and pets she has now and not one mention of the snake.

Sad thing is that if she's willing to lie, she's not likely to listen to advise. But you can only try and hope for the best.

That site has a horrible history when it comes to birds. Knew this gal who advertised on there for months looking for 'free' birds to live in her 'sanctuary' and it wasn't even a year later that she sold all of the birds given to her (and it was a LOT) and every now and then she still lists the aviary for sale.

Anyway, here's the original ad. It was three days later when she posted wanting a grey. She was offered a Meyers on day one but it must not have been good enough.

WANTED parrot
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WANTED parrot for reasonable price. my sweet 16 bday is coming up. i would like a life long companion. i will be paying for most of my parrot so please consider my age and loan me a good price. thank you so so much trisha feel free to call anytime

#24788 - 10/03/04 06:14 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I took the liberty of doing a google search for ms. trisha's email addy and it seems she's been a busy girl this summer! She has placed ads in a few different places with different stories.

One (as stated above) is for a too and/or a grey.

Yet another: "Quaker-cockatiels-small Parets - Sanctuary for small parrots. Give you unwanted bird to a loving family will not sell or trade will make permenet home. experienced owner family help. all my money goes to bird food and vets so please cannot pay much, only a good home."

And another posted on May 10 2004 on a lost & found board:
"Please help me find my cockatoo!!! he is all white and is very friendly. i paid much for him and loved him dearly. he will climb onto your hand and he asl;o nibbles a bit. i miss him so much. ...... i am also missing my lovebird. i let my brother watch him for me and his window was open:(. she is green with blue tale and peach face. thnx!!! so much!!!"

On yet another classifieds dated June 8, 2004:
"Subject: WANTED!!!!! - birds that you are trying to sell or get rid of. i am a experienced bird owner and i will take your unwanted bird. if you want your feathered baby to find a good home well here it is. i have little money to spend on bying the bird because i spend all my money on food toys and cages for my babies. cages dont have to come with or they can. please dont place your bird in a bad home or a home for a greedy person to sell your baby. contact me at anytime you want. i prefer not to ship the ships because of stress on birds. but will make a deal. thank you and good luck!!"

One more: "African Grey Hand Held Baby - WANTED african grey baby, my sweet 16 b-day is coming up & would like a life long friend. i know there value from searching for months for 1 please help me find a reasonable price. i love birds and would love to own my very own grey. PLEASE HELP FAST thank you so much trisha"

confused Is it just ME, or does she sort of sound like a collector (at such a young age, too)? It seems awfully irresponsible for her to be putting her personal info. out on the Internet, as well as the fact that she's an underage girl. Do you suppose she'll be more responsible when caring for a parrot?

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#24789 - 10/03/04 06:16 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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There is something very fishy about miss phena_shorty.

This is from: http://www.birdhotline.com/viewlost.htm

which is one of many hits that comes up when you "Google" her e-mail address.

Phoenix, Arizona . . . Cockatoo

05/10/2004

Please help me find my cockatoo!!! he is all white and is very friendly. i paid much for him and loved him dearly. he will climb onto your hand and he asl;o nibbles a bit. i miss him so much. ...... i am also missing my lovebird. i let my brother watch him for me and his window was open:(. she is green with blue tale and peach face. thnx!!! so much!!!

LH, as this is a minor, I removed the phone # and e-mail....Ron

#24790 - 10/03/04 04:59 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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Wow thanks so much for contacting her and trying to talk some sense into her. And I may have spoken too soon... she's still asking for either a grey or a 'too. I didn't know she'd been posting all these messages regarding "lost" birds as well. How terribly sad...
Carole

#24791 - 10/03/04 05:37 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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Oh boy! Yes, she does sound like a collector. Awful. frown

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#24792 - 10/03/04 07:48 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I have noted that many younger folk visiting various bird boards exploring bird ownership and seeking advice. I am always shocked over the number of people that actually promote this and make posts advising them to buy the birds that they are exploring. I have even been attacked on different boards for offering the reality of long-term bird ownership, especially with a big bird. I am glad that they are seeking advice; however many of them have their minds made up already. I really hope that she is not a collector at such a young age or someone posing as a teenages to get more birds for their collection.

#24793 - 10/04/04 06:28 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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Just a thought could this possibly be an adult exploiting the internet to aquire birds for sale or trade?She seems a little too busy working every angle to be only 16 or she is going to end up being the next Enron executive!
If it is a 16 yr. old shame on her parents for allowing her to entertain the purchase of a pet parrot as a gift for turning 16 . There has to be far more commitment on their part and an understanding that at 16 kids change their minds as often as they change their clothes and that this is a life, not a disc player.When the novelty wears off what becomes of the parrot! I just got a call from a young lady 21 that wants to find a new home for her parrot of 7 yrs. because her life is just taking off and she no longer has time for her grey?Now this bird is losing the only home it has ever known where were her parents when she wanted the bird?We have become such an instant gratification society... what ever we want we have to have right now with no thought into the consequences of our actions tomorrow. frown

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angry If I would have known that her email addy matched up to all of that... my email to her would have taken a different tone. I feel foolish because I took the approach of educating her on responsibility, results of neglect, costs involved, effects of re-homing (like us loosing a mom or child...same to birds), etc...

Awful!

#24795 - 10/05/04 03:42 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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smile Stryker, you did the right thing, no doubt! There's no foolishness in trying to educate someone who appeared to need it. It was simply by chance that the email addy had been temporarily posted on here and I decided to google it and see where else it showed up. Some things happen for a reason, don't they?

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#24796 - 10/14/04 06:56 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I'm not sticking up for this girl, as she should have done her research before even thinking about getting any sort of bird. mad But I got my first G2 when I was 17, I'm now 19 and have 2 Goffins. I did some research and looking back, Getting both of them is the best decision I've ever made. smile You all sound like your knocking younger bird owners. I just thought I'd add my opinion. My birds are both very healthy and happy. They are very loved. I just wanted you all to know that not all young bird owners are like this girl. frown

#24797 - 10/14/04 10:45 PM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I have to agree with KD2 in the idea that this may not be a child but an adult posing as a 16 yaer old. That was my first thought when I read hellobaby's post of all the different ads. Happens all the time on the internet. I wonder if this person is gathering birds cheap with her sob story and reselling them (or worse.)

Peggy

#24798 - 10/15/04 04:41 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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Hi Sunny-Baby smile

I don't think it's a matter of knocking younger bird owners. Being young yourself you probably realize the potential for big changes in people's lives who are your age. Some teens are more mature than others. I believe they're the exception rather than the rule though. It's simply being honest in warning young people about the fact that these birds live a long time and young people face a lot of changes. There are many who will want to 'sew their wild oats' rather than be responsible at that age. While some will realize the huge responsibility of sharing a lifetime with a parrot, others may only think as far as how cool it would be to have a parrot. I hope we can agree that not all young people should have parrots. (For that matter, many non-teens shouldn't have parrots...) For those who can read our warnings and still choose to have one (or more) I think that shows the determination that they may have toward providing the right kind of home for them.

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#24799 - 10/15/04 06:12 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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Sunny-Baby, it's not a matter of "knocking younger bird owners." Many of us had birds in our lives at a very young age (5, 6, 7 years old). The issue is that young people have very little control of their own lives. If you are living with parents or adult guardians, you have to abide by their rules and wishes. And if the adults don't have the same level of care and commitment that you do, you're pretty much screwed unless you've got your own money and wheels, have friends with cars, or are rebellious enough to defy the adults and risk the consequences.

#24800 - 10/15/04 06:55 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I agree with the others that say, getting birds young is a bad idea. Well big birds anyways. I am also 19 and got Zoe(G2) and Felix(TAG) when I was 17 and all was well untill I had a baby. I still have my birds and plan on keeping them but their lives changed just as dramatically as mine.
It went from sharing a room, and being out and playing with me all day, to having their own room and being out all day but less time with me, to sharing a room with my sister sometimes getting out all day some times getting out a few hours, some times just an hour and a considerable amout of less time with me because of my baby.
Is it fair? No, but that is what life brought to us and luckily they have each other and are two very well adjusted birds. Things might be a bit trying for us now but they will get better.

My point I guess is, that I love my birds and I am glad I have them but it would have been much better for us all had I waited untill I had my own house, GREAT paying job, and older kids.

About the supposed 16yr old...maybe she should get a plant.

#24801 - 10/15/04 08:13 AM Re: 'Too ownership avoided  
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I have to jump in on this one. I was also 17 when I purchased my M2. We've made it 5 years...but it certainly has been rough. I think most teen's would rehome the bird in a heartbeat when life starting catching up with them.

In one respect, it's good to adopt young, because that's a *better* chance that your bird will have only one home (without the human dying first).

In another respect, young people don't realize just exactly WHAT they've gotten themselves into, and they rehome the bird the second they get a boyfriend who doesn't like birds, have a baby, or move into an apartment.

I think the matter of age, really depends on the person's maturity level and the amount of responsiblity the person has. I've encountered 10 year olds with more responsiblity than 30 year old persons. :rolleyes: I think we all have.

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About the supposed 16yr old...maybe she should get a plant.
ROTFL Zoe luvr! However, as someone who practically has a mini-rainforest in my home (you'd be surprised at how "fussy" some plants are in their requirements), I think we need to qualify your suggestion: A cactus, perhaps, which some people say "thrive on neglect." But I'd humbly suggest one of those disgusting plastic plants. Or maybe a pet rock. Hmmm...I guess you're too young to remember the pet rock craze. Sigh....

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A chia pet!!

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LadyHawk,

(I love plants too smile My room is filled with them. They are very calming.)

Maybe the rock would be the best, she could paint a smile on its face and say she has the happiest pet ever.

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This very much reminds me of this story:
When I was a puppy I entertained you with my antics and made you laugh. You called me your child and despite a number of chewed shoes and a couple of murdered throw pillows, I became your best friend. Whenever I was "bad," you'd shake your finger at me and ask "How could you?" - but then you'd relent and roll me over for a bellyrub.

My housetraining took a little longer than expected, because you were terribly busy, but we worked on that together. I remember those nights of nuzzling you in bed, listening to your confidences and secret dreams, and I believed that life could not be any more perfect. We went for long walks and runs in the park, car rides, stops for ice cream (I only got the cone because "ice cream is bad for dogs," you said), and I took long naps in the sun waiting for you to come home at the end of the day.

Gradually, you began spending more time at work and on your career, and more time searching for a human mate. I waited for you patiently, comforted you through heartbreaks and disappointments, never chided you about bad decisions, and romped with glee at your homecomings, and when you fell in love.

She, now your wife, is not a "dog person" - still I welcomed her into our home, tried to show her affection, and obeyed her. I was happy because you were happy. Then the human babies came along and I shared your excitement. I was fascinated by their pinkness, how they smelled, and I wanted to mother them, too. Only she and you worried that I might hurt them, and I spent most of my time banished to another room, or to a dog crate. Oh, how I wanted to love them, but I became a "prisoner of love."

As they began to grow, I became their friend. They clung to my fur and pulled themselves up on wobbly legs, poked fingers in my eyes, investigated my ears and gave me kisses on my nose. I loved everything about them and their touch - because your touch was now so infrequent - and I would have defended them with my life if need be.

I would sneak into their beds and listen to their worries and secret dreams. Together we waited for the sound of your car in the driveway. There had been a time, when others asked you if you had a dog, that you produced a photo of me from your wallet and told them stories about me. These past few years, you just answered "yes" and changed the subject. I had gone from being "your dog" to "just a dog," and you resented every expenditure on my behalf.

Now you have a new career opportunity in another city, and you and they will be moving to an apartment that does not allow pets. You've made the right decision for your "family," but there was a time when I was your only family.

I was excited about the car ride until we arrived at the animal shelter. It smelled of dogs and cats, of fear, of hopelessness. You filled out the paperwork and said "I know you will find a good home for her." They shrugged and gave you a pained look. They understand the realities facing a middle-aged dog or cat, even one with "papers." You had to pry your son's fingers loose from my collar as he screamed "No, Daddy! Please don't let them take my dog!" And I worried for him, and what lessons you had just taught him about friendship and loyalty, about love and responsibility, and about respect for all life. You gave me a goodbye pat on the head, avoided my eyes, and politely refused to take my collar and leash with you. You had a deadline to meet and now I have one, too.

After you left, the two nice ladies said you probably knew about your upcoming move months ago and made no attempt to find me another good home. They shook their heads and asked "How could you?"

They are as attentive to us here in the shelter as their busy schedules allow. They feed us, of course, but I lost my appetite days ago. At first, whenever anyone passed my pen, I rushed to the front, hoping it was you - that you had changed your mind - that this was all a bad dream...or I hoped it would at least be someone who cared, anyone who might save me. When I realized I could not compete with the frolicking for attention of happy puppies, oblivious to their own fate, I retreated to a far corner and waited.

I heard her footsteps as she came for me at the end of the day and I padded along the aisle after her to a separate room. A blissfully quiet room. She placed me on the table, rubbed my ears and told me not to worry. My heart pounded in anticipation of what was to come, but there was also a sense of relief. The prisoner of love had run out of days. As is my nature, I was more concerned about her. The burden which she bears weighs heavily on her and I know that, the same way I knew your every mood.

She gently placed a tourniquet around my foreleg as a tear ran down her cheek. I licked her hand in the same way I used to comfort you so many years ago. She expertly slid the hypodermic needle into my vein. As I felt the sting and the cool liquid coursing through my body, I lay down sleepily, looked into her kind eyes and murmured "How could you?"

Perhaps because she understood my dogspeak, she said "I'm so sorry." She hugged me and hurriedly explained it was her job to make sure I went to a better place, where I wouldn't be ignored or abused or abandoned, or have to fend for myself - a place of love and light so very different from this earthly place. With my last bit of energy, I tried to convey to her with a thump of my tail that my "How could you?" was not meant for her. It was you, My Beloved Master, I was thinking of. I will think of you and wait for you forever.

May everyone in your life continue to show you so much loyalty.
"The Animals' Savior"
Copyright Jim Willis 1999

Although this person is talking about birds, i see the similarity in the story ten-fold. People that **commit** don't necessarily do so. Like the eight year old kid who'd thought they'd just die with out their Tickle Me Elmo, or the nine year old who just **had** to have a hamster, because his best friend Joe down the street had one. This happens way too often, all the time. I honestly believe its both the childs fault and the parents for not sticking to educating the child on the needs of it, not the wants, or the competition some seem fit to "be better than" their siblings, or "because everyone else is".
Human traits that irritate me the most in this:
Impulsiveness, Competitiveness, and the ability to convince. Much to my dismay parents are more easily cohersed then they used to be. Like people buying Cockatoos for thier kids because it resembles the Harry Potter Owl. (i use that reference alot because it is quite clear to me that it is the absolute dumbest thing ive ever heard of that was proven fact)
Anyway.. All of this infuriates me. angry

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By the way. that story took me thirty minutes to stop crying over. The gut-wrenching part of it is that it happens every single day.

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