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#237434 - 08/31/11 01:53 AM Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect  
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#237435 - 08/31/11 02:01 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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This says "Error 404 - Page has been moved"...?


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#237436 - 08/31/11 02:11 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: Lucy's Mom]  
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Thanks Karen...once I removed the URL tags it works.


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#251362 - 04/09/13 03:50 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I was at a refuge "volunteering" and honestly feel that is more of a hoarding issue than a refuge. One person cannot care for well over 100+ birds in the way in which they deserve. How do you proceed with lodging a complaint?


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#251367 - 04/09/13 05:38 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: Luvbirds]  
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Where are you located? There are a number of things you need or should try to do.

Pictures help ALLOT!

Contacting the authorities/animal protection.

Reasoning with and volunteering to help make things better. Sometimes rescues lack volunteers from time to time and have a hard time keeping up.

Did the rescue/sanctuary look clean,how was the food supply? Are they being vetted properly,did they have allot of toys? How did the birds look? Not that that's a tell take the sickest bird will fake being healthy as a survival instinct.

EchosMom also posted a link above that should help.


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#251368 - 04/09/13 06:55 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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That's just it, pictures were forbidden and I was monitored like a hawk. If checking my phone was accused of taking pictures which I wasn't. The individual who runs it doesn't seem of sound mind and several others have remarked of mental instability. Cleanliness goes much farther than simply sweeping up daily. One person cannot clean off all the feces and Bleach and water were used to clean and I believe that is very dangerous to their lungs and used inside in un-ventilated rooms. Food supply seem ample at the beginning but on an as needed or pick through it basis after a few short weeks there.(rescue has been operating for years) Fresh foods are not offered on a regular basis and mostly to a few birds in a different area. It would appear clean to an untrained eye but if you look the upkeep is just not possible. Anyone I have spoken to has said they attempted to work with this individual but found it nearly impossible with the mood swings and confusion of black/white changes daily that were polar opposite one day to the next.


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#251373 - 04/09/13 07:30 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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That's a difficult situation. If you call in animal control or the ASPCA they are only going to look at basic food/water and cleanliness. Bleach fumes are harmful unless diluted in water enough. The zoos that I worked at both used bleach solutions in bird areas. This is not saying it's a good thing to do in a small environment. The zoos had very large areas so ventilation wasn't an issue. The solution they used was something like 1 ounce bleach to a gallon of water.


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#251386 - 04/10/13 03:25 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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Very sad that is their criteria. A place can be cleaned before a visit frown


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#251390 - 04/10/13 06:24 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: Luvbirds]  
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I will be honest here...

I have 5 cockatoos,4 African greys,hahns macaw,2 Ringneck parakeets,5 cockatiels,2 finches,eclectus and a canary. I am the soul caregiver since my spouse works away from home for 20 days and home for 10 days. I'm no where near 100 birds and I find it very tight schedule to keep things clean,fed properly including food prep and cooking ahead,make toys,and spend time with all of them. I couldn't imagine having another one in here even. The last one I took in here took allot of convincing and pleading from my vet and if the owners weren't seriously going to euthanize him (had appointment made with my vet) and my vet desperate for me to help...I wouldn't have. At this point though I also know no matter what I can not take in another bird because I also work full time and its just too hard and I wouldn't be doing my flock or another rescue any favours. I would be doing more harm than good... Too bad others aren't able to do that.

So is this a ligitimate rescue or do they hoard? Do they actually adopt out?


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#251392 - 04/10/13 07:39 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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they do adopt out but if you turn in a bird to it a large "donation" is expected so not truly a refuge if required to $$$. It should be about the birds not just $$$. Yes it costs a great deal to feed and care for the birds but if you are truly opening your doors for the better of the birds $$$ should not be required.


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#251393 - 04/10/13 07:40 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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And Janny you are truly amazing! Your flock is very lucky to have you! smile


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#251402 - 04/11/13 04:04 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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There is useful info from LuvBirds and i appreciate what is posted, but I disagree with the blanket statement that "$$$ should not be required". While a large amount of money for donation should raise questions, a surrender fee is backed up by several good reasons.

I realize this thread is not the place to address that issue, I implore Luvbirds to research more rescues who post the reasons behind a surrender fee.

Thank you Janny for brining up this particular issue that you have encounterd and keep posting what happens.


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#251620 - 04/23/13 04:53 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I agree a surrender fee may be acceptable but if it's really, truly about the birds then a rescue would truly rescue a bird in need and not turn a bird in a very bad situation away because they don't have 1000+. Just seems against the cause of a rescue. I realize most rescues do wonderful work in rehoming/fostering and rehabilitating and it is costly for vet bills etc. Some seem to be really stretched to the gills with the soul purpose of just making money frown it just saddens my heart to think of these babies being neglected ever, in any way and not receiving the ultimate care they deserve


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#251621 - 04/23/13 04:55 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: Janny]  
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Originally Posted By: Janny
I will be honest here...

I have 5 cockatoos,4 African greys,hahns macaw,2 Ringneck parakeets,5 cockatiels,2 finches,eclectus and a canary. I am the soul caregiver since my spouse works away from home for 20 days and home for 10 days. I'm no where near 100 birds and I find it very tight schedule to keep things clean,fed properly including food prep and cooking ahead,make toys,and spend time with all of them. I couldn't imagine having another one in here even. The last one I took in here took allot of convincing and pleading from my vet and if the owners weren't seriously going to euthanize him (had appointment made with my vet) and my vet desperate for me to help...I wouldn't have. At this point though I also know no matter what I can not take in another bird because I also work full time and its just too hard and I wouldn't be doing my flock or another rescue any favours. I would be doing more harm than good... Too bad others aren't able to do that.

So is this a ligitimate rescue or do they hoard? Do they actually adopt out?



I believe it is turning into a hoarding situation because one individual cannot maintain well over 100+ large birds


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#253736 - 10/29/13 08:33 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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That's a difficult situation. If you call in animal control or the ASPCA


the ASPCA are selfish, lazy, soulless twits my bird would still be alive if they had listened to us when we called them repeatedly on the 800 number begging them to save him. We called before and after his murder and never got anywhere until animal control got involved. The local animal control was wonderful in comparison and actually cared. Unfortunately, they were required to turn the case over to the ASPCA and the agent there misrepresented what happened as "an unfortunate accident"............LIARS!

The animal control officer that was blamed for giving this impression felt exactly the same way I do. Negligence at the very least, but most probably premeditated. He was outraged and gave me this advice. Apparently if you call the 800 number for an address and put the complaint in writing they are required by law to come out on site and investigate. He urged me to do so.

It's so hard! It wasn't just me calling that number every day for weeks, but my neighbors as well. Everyone loved Valentino and we made sure everyone knew he was in danger. What I'm being told now is going back to the people who ignored that danger and asking for justice after-the-fact when they could have stopped it in the first place. Don't buy a word they say, because every time they promise to document and forward to an investigative agent, before and after Valentino's murder, they didn't. I don't think I'd be able to talk to these people calmly. I blame them. I blame every single authority we called for help, sometimes even more so than the actual murderers as the people we called for help were actually supposed to be the good guys :-(

Valentino is dead. He suffered horribly.

Believe me, they don't care. Just make sure any communications you make with them is in writing, preferably by certified letter. At least then, when they inevitably don't do their jobs, you'll have something to use force their hands.


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#253762 - 11/02/13 04:20 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I've reported exactly one incident to the combined "Animal rescue" outfit which is also the agency that does animal control, that involved a bird. They were useless. They openly called their actions "sellling" when a bird came into their possession; they more recently do "background checks" on people wanting to adopt birds, but those of us who have contact suspect that most parrots are going straight from the "rescue league" to breeders.

To be fair, most of the officers in the one town had no idea of what I learned right here about basic parrot care; they were trained to work with cats & dogs. Birds were sold as quickly as possible (like, a few hours) after they came in. If they were around overnight, the cages were in a room with cats, and not all the cats were caged. When I warned the person who was encouraging a cat to "play" with a caged bird, I was told that it was "all right, she's declawed". No amount of explanation about the dangers of toxoplasmosis was enough.


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I was reading at a primarily "dog/cat" site and came across this quote:

"Don't call animal control unless you know how they handle these types of situations."

Words to live by.
This related to a stray chained dog being shot and the puppies gassed. I could go on for hours, but I won't right now.
I guess we have to get educated about our individual situations.

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A chained dog may be an abused dog,but usually has difficulty straying. Somebody rounded up somebody else's dog, chained him or the, and shot the poor beast, is that it?


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A very pregnant pit bull followed a lady home. The lady couldn't keep the dog so she chained the dog to the fence in front of her house and called animal control. The dog gave birth to the puppies. The dog let the lady pick up the puppies and was very friendly. Animal control came when she was out picking up her kid.
The "officer" said the dog attacked him three times so he shot her.

Ya, I know. Chaining a dog outside to have puppies is not the brightest thing in the world. Ya, I know. Chained animals can be more aggressive. Still...

The referenced story...

http://www.examiner.com/article/warden-k...taboola_inbound

If you scroll through the comments, you will get to one that will keep you awake at night. It is cross-posted from an "unnamed animal control officer" and was written on "August 14 at 10:57." You will have to click "view more" a few times to get to this post. It is about 22 posts up from the end of the comments if you want to find it quickly. Do click "read more" so you can read the whole, horrible post. This is one reason we must end all inhumane animal handling. The "jobs" that are created de-humanizing. If the only job you can get to feed your family is slaughtering chickens, you are in a very bad place. Check out PETA's "If Slaughterhouses had Glass Walls, Everyone Would be Vegetarian," narrated by Sir Paul McCartney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql8xkSYvwJs
Or their "Meet your Meat":
http://www.peta.org/tv/videos/celebrities-vegetarianism/87206203001.aspx
These are just the classics. Explore more, especially re: chickens.

I vow, if I ever hit the lottery, I am going to find and support this "unnamed animal control officer" and their family. I think reading and understanding this "comment" will somehow validate that person's feelings. I hope to God it is just a made up story. Even if it is made up, it will make you think and understand some things.

I told you I could go on for hours, hijacking this thread.

If you can handle the depression, subscribe to this "news service." They profile dogs that need adoption. You will have a hard time not rescuing these dogs if you live nearby. You will be appalled at the things you will read about. BIRDS are in an even WORSE predicament because so few people "get it."

Back in the early days of this board, someone decided to humanely euthanize their 'too because it was suffering horribly. I have not been able to find the post. What actually happened was the ultimate, horrible betrayal of their poor bird, because the "vet" stuck the bird with something that caused it terrible pain and suffering for many minutes. Flopping and screeching in pain. The owner was rightfully traumatized. Heck, ** I ** was traumatized. The owner thought the bird would just peacefully fall asleep. This is another thing you MUST KNOW. "How will death happen?" If they tell you they don't really know, you have a big problem. Especially a potential problem with a bird. I could go on about "heart-sticks" and other stupid ways to kill animals, but I think you have been warned.

A friend of mine had a baby white tailed deer in his back yard that couldn't walk. He has been letting the deer bed in his yard for years. The mother was feeding it. His wife was worried and called animal control to rescue the baby. They came out and shot the fawn in front of three young children. They dragged the body to the street and left it there.

"Don't call animal control unless you know how they handle these types of situations."

Some people turned an EMU in to an SPCA in California. They had an EMU roast.

I think the moral of the story(ies) is "deal with a reputable rescue."

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#253778 - 11/06/13 03:28 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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Quote:

I told you I could go on for hours, hijacking this thread.


I'll help you hijack! I found the post/story you refer to.

http://www.mytoos.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=11303&Number=101455#Post101455





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I agree completely with Birdfriend. There are humane ways to handle any situation but one must know if the help they are calling can be trusted to do the right thing. Most animal control officers are nothing more than lowly paid government hacks. Many of them are there for a paycheck and could care less about animals.

JackieBoy has also posted Gandhi's heartbreaking story. It is wrenching and is one of the reasons that Dr. Michael Doolen wrote the following letter and dedicated a year of his life to helping Mytoos (Ask the Vet Forum).

This is why we are here, people! I'm not talking dogs, I am talking very sensitive, long lived Indonesian cockatoos, Moluccans and Umbrellas, that have no place in anyone's living room. They deserve more and our goal will always be to try and convince people that they can NEVER meet all the needs of these animals. In many cases, the situation in this heartbreaking letter will be met and it is incumbent upon anyone caring for them to be prepared for any eventuality. These cockatoos will only take so much. Think about that.

Dr. Doolen's Letter to Mytoos

#253812 - 11/09/13 02:03 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I could not finish watching the Paul McCartney video, I am vegatarian and have been for years. The meat industry is disgusting and I cannot imagine eating and animal that has suffered so. But I do agree with the others when we get back to the issue at hand, abuse at the rescue. you need to be very careful and know how the people you are reporting this to will react, they could be worse than the folks at the rescue and most people do not know what to do with birds or how to handle their basic needs. Im not saying not report it just do some front end research first and make sure you get the right people.


#253929 - 11/19/13 03:18 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I am posting this with the hopes that the membership will contact this organization and impress upon them the seriousness of the care they are not providing. This is the situation: In January, we visited "Exotic Animal Zoo" which, back then, was really just a place with a bunch of snakes and gators and a few birds, one of which was a lone Moluccan cockatoo. In June, we went back and found "Sidney" (is every cockatoo named Sidney??) was still alone even after asking this place in January why he was alone. We also noticed another bird, one who had obviously been there long enough to develop a feather-plucking habit and had made pretty good progress. At that time, they promised they were getting a new friend for "Sidney".

Two weeks ago my son's school had a field trip to this place which is in New Braunfels, TX and I was very surprised to see Sidney was still there, and still alone, standing very close to the small heater that was up against the side of his huge, empty cage. This time the person giving the tour told us they had bought this place and had been accredited as a zoo by whichever organization accredits zoos.

When I asked what happened to the feather plucker, they told me he had gone to a new home. Then I asked about Sidney, that I had been told nearly a year ago that his new friend was a short time away. Sidney is in a cage with what looks like chain link outside and a smaller wire inside. One lone chain hangs from the ceiling and has a few wood *toys* on it's end. There may be a perch, I didn't notice. I did notice, however, that Sidney's legs are looking less feathered. He is clearly starting to pluck. Again I was told his new mate was coming soon but have no reason to believe them. Every other bird there, with the exception of Sidney, has a companion. The story they told was one of the ravens in the cage on the end of the row of four cages, got one of the hookbills in the second cage from the end. After losing his mate, the hookbill reached through to the Moluccan's cage, grabbed one of the cockatoos by the foot and killed it. It sounds not only bizarre, but almost physically impossible. The hookbill's bill is several inches long and crescent shaped. Even if it could get it's beak into the Moluccan's cage, it's more likely the Moluccan would destroy the hookbill's bill before the Cockatoo was killed. Anyway, I have already mailed them and emailed them, offering at no cost to take Sidney in, rehabilitate him physically, and re-home him. I pointed out that for Sidney, time was of the essence, not just because it looks like he's starting to pluck, but because as a cockatoo, he has needs that are being ignored. The only human contact he has is when the keeper takes him out to play with him, which she says she does a lot. She stressed that Sidney was not a breeder, he was a pet; which makes his lot all the more sad. She also pointed out that the vet would be there next week to trim toenails and beaks. Sidney's cage is next to the largest of the cages that houses a pair of hyacinth macaws.

I have not received any reply, and in my current situation, taking in another cockatoo is a very generous offer considering the birds I am rehabilitating now. I can't stop thinking about this poor bird and all the stories I have heard about him getting a companion "soon" since January. I fear he will start plucking full-time and may already be very depressed making the likelihood of successful introduction of another bird nearly impossible. I don't live far from them, I know some other members probably live near as well. If they aren't willing to do the right thing, I'm willing to protest there until they do. And if anybody thinks the power of protest doesn't work, I'd ask you to look at the groups who protested Petlands in Austin and other locations, forcing Austin to pass laws and other stores to lose sales and close.
The Ultimate Cockatoo Message Board needs to reach out to this place and send them the ultimate message; Cockatoos are not macaws, they must have attention, toys, and companionship whether human or other and that attention must be constant. As the weather gets colder, is one tiny heater going to be enough? This is the epitome of cruelty; and I know this group will not allow them to continue to keep Sidney in the circumstance he currently exists under. The caretaker made it clear that Sidney is not a priority, the 30 acres behind the zoo that they purchased to further develop more of their zoo are the priority. Can we get together and help Sidney?

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#253938 - 11/19/13 01:10 PM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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I hear your concern loud and clear and I share your concern greatly. Good luck and thanks for caring.



#253965 - 11/24/13 03:12 AM Re: Reporting Bird Abuse and Neglect [Re: EchosMom]  
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Evie, you may also want to contact the schools and tell them you object to your child being taken to this place. Looks like they have a website, anyone can contact them and voice their concerns for this cockatoo. I'm not sure getting the too a companion isnt just adding another poor too to an already bad situation and having a hyacinth mccaw on display tells me they have no clue about the plight of these birds. I sat here and read Ghandis story tonight and the Dr. Doolens reply and I just want to caution readers that you need to know who your vet is and do not take your bird to someone who does not know avians. know your vet, preferably before you take your bird to him/her. ask questions, know their stance on things and get their qualifications. I have actually gotten my bird and walked out of a vets office before. My vet always tells me what he is going to do and why and we always take the least invasive teatments whenever possible. I trust him and he keeps up with the latest information. I would go to him if he were a people doctor. Bottom line, know your vet.


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