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#213123 - 12/04/09 08:32 PM Sock Buddy
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Anybody have any experience with the "Sock Buddy" and FDB? Makira (SIE) is chewing her feathers and has been since Oct. She is acting very nesty and reeeally wants a husband. Seems this is her time of year that it's most intense.I have tried the "Sock Buddy" on her but she seemed so stressed by it that I caved and took it off her. But she's making such a mess of her feathers again that I have reconsidered trying it again. How long might it take for a bird to adjust to wearing this?Thanks for any input.
Cheryl
Ps. we have been to the AV ..nothing wrong there.


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#213144 - 12/05/09 01:17 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: Winter's mom]
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Cheryl, in what way/s does she seem stressed?? What changes do you see in her w/the sweater on?
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#213149 - 12/05/09 07:34 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: EchosMom]
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Janet, she pulls at it and tries to tear it,trys to get it off over her head.Kind of picks at it with avengence. Just generally seems uncomfortable and obviously wants it off. I didn't know how long it would take for her to settle down and she just fussed and fussed about it for the whole 15 minutes I left it on her. ( I know... probably not long enough.. but I didn't want to add to the obvious stress of her broodiness).

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#213169 - 12/06/09 10:42 AM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: Winter's mom]
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You are right - 15 minutes wasn't very long. If you try it again, do yourself a favor and leave the room she's in for awhile. If you can arrange things so that you can take a peek at her but she can't see you and just let her pull and tug at the sweater alone. Also, as you are putting it on her, be very matter of fact about it, tell her it's for her own good and that she will live through it and don't acknowledge her pouting and/or fussing with the sweater....leave her to her own accord. She may end up chewing herself out of it, you'll just have to see.
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#213174 - 12/06/09 12:57 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: EchosMom]
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I have no advice to give on this whatsoever, just feel so sorry that Makira and you are going through this. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
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#213306 - 12/08/09 10:17 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: FeatheredAngels]
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Thanks you guys. Still havent put it back on her. I want to do it when I will be home all day and night.. and not have to go to work. Janet,is there anyway that she might hurt herself in this? And what about showers and misting? Off or on? seems like it it's on it will take forever to dry and she will be cold. Like wearing around a wet bathing suit..... Wish she would get out of this.. Also, if she perceives ME as her mate.,And Im the only human here, would it be a good thing to maybe take her to my daughter's house for a while or would that be cruel? I just don't know......
Cheryl

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#213396 - 12/10/09 07:30 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: Winter's mom]
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Cheryl, I'm sure that any bird could find a way to hurt themselves trying to get out of a sweater. Get a foot hooked, or a wing twisted, or pierce the skin trying to remove it. I definitely agree that when you try again, it should be when you are going to be home to monitor her for a few days.

I always remove Noelle's dresses before misting or bathing her. The idea of having the material hold moisture against the skin/feathers just doesn't sound good to me. And yes, I'm sure that having a wet sweater on would be like us walking around with wet clothes on - chilly. Since Noelle's body is completely naked, it doesn't take her long to dry so she's not out of the dresses for very long on bath/misting days.

Dr. Harrison has mentioned on his Avian Medicine Online forum that temporarily relocating a bird can assist in breaking the cycle of feather destruction. But I do have a question to ask - well, rather one that I would like you to ask yourself. Why is it so important that Makira be in perfect feather? I think you've nailed down that the FDB is seasonal. Are you concerned that the feather destruction will evolve into self-mutilating? Relocating her seems like a drastic step to me, but I have lived with different degrees of feather destroyers for over 10 years now, so I guess you could say I'm desensitized. If everyone has a clean bill of health and isn't chewing holes in themselves, I do what I can to minimize the behavior, but I don't panic over it either.

Since Makira perceives you as her mate, I would concentrate on getting that corrected, first and foremost. Not an easy task and I'm not sure how much, or how you handle her, but that is where I would be looking to make changes first.





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#213403 - 12/10/09 09:12 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: EchosMom]
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She doesn't have to be in perfect feather, only one of 5 of my birds is. I am just afraid she won't stop.It will be come something more.Probably,I am over reacting because somehow it feels like failure. Im not sure that she perceives me as her mate,but I am the only one that she does interact with. We clicker train, and I really don't handle her much at all. She's not the sort of bird that likes to be held or cuddled. She does not try to masturbate on me nor does she regurgitate to me. I just figured that might be how she perceived me because there was no other choice for her.Only the CAG hen will allow her to be in her company. The others will chase her off. Perhaps, I will just look past it . She is in good health and does not drill holes in her own skin. She got past it last year. Hopefully this year she will,too. Thanks for your input, Janet. I appreciate your knowledge and experience.

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#213404 - 12/10/09 09:43 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: Winter's mom]
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I suspected as much....which is why I asked. Cheryl, it is very difficult not to take feather picking personally and it does make us think/believe/wonder if we have failed them somehow. And in SOME situations that is the case. But one thing that fails all birds is captivity. So we do the very best we can and make the best of a bad situation.

Perhaps Makira perceives you as her mate, but from what you describe, she's not displaying the classic symptoms often seen...such as masturbating or feeding.

Whatever you decide, you absolutely need to look past it when she's doing it. Leave the room if you have to. If she sees that destroying feathers gets your attention, it can reinforce her.

And I completely understand your concern that her feather picking will progress. I'm sure that it happens, but it just hasn't been my personal experience. You need to do what you feel is best for you and Makira - and I KNOW that you will. All of your birds are very lucky and have the best of everything that captivity can offer them.
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#213409 - 12/10/09 10:46 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: EchosMom]
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How old is Makira? I ask because 'sometimes' the first couple/few years of sexual maturity can be the hardest on both bird & person.
When my Goffin hen reached 6 - 7 she shredded her feathers, took layers of skin off her feet & started chewing at her crop area...
Full vet work-up showed nothing, no infection, nothing.
I did collar her for a short time, about 60 days roughly. She did the falling over help me routine - I don't blame her but I had to be 'the bad guy' she was ripping herself up. Sometimes you really do have to be cruel to be kind.

It has subsided with each passing year, she is 16 now, still looks a bit tattered around the edges but it has not ever gotten as bad as that first year.
I hope that this is the case for Makira as well.
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#213412 - 12/10/09 11:51 PM Re: Sock Buddy [Re: Liisa B]
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Liisa, that is a VERY good question and observation!!! I can validate from my experience with Echo that the first couple of seasons were the hardest.
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