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#209221 - 09/18/09 05:15 AM Eddie..E2 Aggression  
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Thought I would start a section for Saturday. I'm hoping to have Eddie step up and not bite. I have been able to interact more with him lately with my glasses off. I have got to the point that I can offer smaller pieces of reward without getting bit.

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Joe, "not bite" is not a behaviour. There is a rule that if a dead man can do it, it's not behaviour. Biting is a behaviour. We are only going to work on one behaviour at a time so when doing a Functional Analysis, we must have the target behaviour first. Caregivers will say I want my bird to: not scream, not bite, not chew up the furniture. These are not behaviours. The question I always ask is: What do you want your bird to do?

Once you understand how to do a Functional Analysis, then you can implement it for other behaviour change/modification.

So you are making progress and that's a good thing.

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I need or should I say hope that I can get him to step up so he can go on playstand,shower(which he loves)or just hold him.

I have been able to accomplish this with my other six birds and some in a few weeks and my GW took about a year,but Eddie has been nearly six years.

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Bev,here is where I am at with Eddie the last couple of weeks. The only reinforcer I have is the banana chip.

Over the years we have been able to teach him a few things that he enjoys doing so I've tried to build on these.

When we say "Yea Eddie" and clap he will turn his head and look at the ceiling,crest up and clacks his beak. Now when I do this I give him a chip.

When we say "upside down" he climb to the top of the cage and hang and say "upside down". Now I give him a chip and he is happy.

He plays a game in the morning at feeding time which is not fun,he digs in on his perch and will rip the dish from my hand when I go to slide it in his holder. I have been giving him a chip before I slide the dish in which at first he would drop and grab the dish. He now gets so few chips he won't drop it to get the dish,he will wait for me to push the dish in and drop it in the dish to save. Yes,he is starting to save them in his food dish.

He tried to bite my fingers when I first started offering the chip and I would walk away not giving one to him. He caught on to this one real fast and now takes it easy.

So,I think I'm my way as far as him knowing that the chip is a reward.

He was a plucker,mutilator when I got him and he stopped about two months after I got him and never did it again. I would think he feels safe and likes being here or he would still be doing it or start up again........maybe.

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Joe, what does Eddie's regular daily diet consist of?

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Eddies diet consists of 60% Zupreem Natural pellets,Veggie breads,fruit breads,pasta,bean,rice mix and about 2 tbls of Higgins Sunburst mixed in with his pellets. Eddie never has been a nut eater of any kind and when offered he will throw them on the floor. His weight is always at 534-538 grms and his yearly blood work is always in range.

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Joe, he eats all those different kinds of foods and the only reinforcer you think you have is a banana chip? I can see lots of reinforcers in the list you gave me. Lots. LOL

Now the question is "which ones are his favourite?"


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#209322 - 09/21/09 05:34 AM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: ZazuSally]  
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In reading your threads on ABA you stated "there is no point in trying to use a favorite food if that food is being given through out the day".

Eddie is not a food motivated bird so do I stop feeding him a food from my list?

Why do I need more than one reinforcer if the one I'm using seems to be doing the job?

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Right, so in order to increase the foods value to your bird, you need to remove it from the regular diet. He is not "food motivated" because he is getting all kinds of different foods in his regular diet.

Joe, if you just sat down and had a big dinner, the chances of anyone getting you to do something for food is pretty slim, right? But if they asked you to do something before dinner and the reward was dinner, you'd do it because you were hungry. Now let me just say that food should NEVER be withheld to teach a bird something. It is not necessary. When I do clicker training sessions in the morning, I take advantage of the fact that even though my birds have access to pellets and water, the pine nuts I offer have much more value to them because they do not get them except for requested behaviour.

Joe, it is always good to have more than one tool (food reinforcer) in your toolbox in case one loses its value. If the banana chip loses its value to Eddie, what then?

Chocolate is a huge reinforcer for me but if I've just eaten a pound of it, not so much. Make sense?

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#209341 - 09/21/09 07:12 PM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: ZazuSally]  
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Yes,it does makes sense.I will try using the breads as a reinforcer and see what happens.

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Update on Eddy.

I have made some progress and the treats have been working well. His aggression is where I have made the most progress,but stepping up is still a no go. He has learned that negative behavior results in not getting a treat and it has been weeks since he has attempted to bite me.

The step up situation has gone from trying to attack my hand to moving away from it and watching for my next move.

He is more relaxed when I'm around his cage and when I open the cage door to let him out he leisurely comes out now instead of a mad dash to get to the top. At night when it's time to go in the cage and I take out the banana chip container he heads back in the cage next to the food dish anxiously waiting for the biggest piece of the day.

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That is fantastic Joe!

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He has learned that negative behavior results in not getting a treat and it has been weeks since he has attempted to bite me.


In keeping with the principles of ABA, I would like to rearrange that statement:

"He has learned that positive behavior results in getting a treat". smile

He is making progress in stepping up - he's just not all the way there yet. Moving away rather than biting is a huge step Joe! Keep up the good work.


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Joe, excellent work. Keep it up.

I just want to give you an example of capturing a behaviour and then reinforcing it. Yesterday Zazu flew over to my shoulder because I had an apple and she loves apple. I was ignoring her so she gently nibbled on my ear. Then I thought why don't I see if I can capture that behaviour because it's kind of cute like ringing the dinner bell. I would not recommend this to anyone, Zazu has earned shoulder privileges. Anyway, when she nibbled gently, she got to bite off a piece of my apple. If she got too rough, she didn't get any and within 5 minutes, she gently nibbled on my ear lobe about 10 times. Two I considered too rough and she got nothing and it is amazing how quickly she picked up that she had to nibble gently to get a bite of apple. So at that moment, Zazu's currency was apple and I used that to get the behaviour I wanted which was a gentle ear nibble.

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My bird does the gentle ear nibble when she wants something and we went through something similar so that she would not nibble too hard. It is kind of sweet when she does it because she is really trying to be oh so delicate.


Whoever coined the term "bird brain" was probably projecting.
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Originally Posted By: EchosMom
That is fantastic Joe!

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He has learned that negative behavior results in not getting a treat and it has been weeks since he has attempted to bite me.


In keeping with the principles of ABA, I would like to rearrange that statement:

"He has learned that positive behavior results in getting a treat". smile





LOL....I guess being a optimist when talking about Eddie is something I need to learn.


Bev...My Greenwing had a bad habit of bluff biting and I would grab his beak and hold it tight. He doesn't like when I do this and now he will bow his head for a scratch.

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Joe, grabbing his beak is not the way to go. The first thing I would ask is why was he bluff biting? Probably because you were asking him to do something he didn't want to do. Making birds do things without giving them a choice is what gets us into trouble. You will be able to force them so many times but eventually you are going to get bitten. A better way to go is to set them up so they give you the behaviours you want and they get something out of it too just like Eddie and the banana chip. Our job is to figure out what each bird values and use that to our advantage just like you are doing with Eddie.

I used to think my birds should do what I wanted them to do when I wanted them to do it. I got bit alot. That just wasn't working for me. LOL So I learned about ABA. I rarely get bitten now and when I do, it's because I've dropped what I learned and reverted to my old ways. It's always a painful reminder but I am only human after all. The old ways come back less and less now because I really don't like getting bitten.

Can you not see the difference, Joe?

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My wife once told me I spoil our bird. I said why, because I let her do what she wants? My wife said yeah. I said, well then you must be spoiled as well. She is gradually beginning to understand.

There are times I ask the bird to do something I want her to do but she does it because I let her do what she wants so much more often.


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JB, the funny thing is none of us like to be pushed around or made to do something yet we think it is OK to make animals do things they don't want to do.

I was one of the worse offenders. The difference between living with a bird that is cooperative because they want to do things for you and one that is forced to do things is HUGE.

Free choice is an amazing gift to your bird but you reap the benefits of giving your bird that a million times over. I used to spend so much time resenting my birds because they bit me. Now I understand I was the only one to blame and this too is huge.


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My GW is another one of my birds that was a product of abuse and I think the bluff biting was a defense of his. I agree on what you say about grabbing his beak,but I stopped that behavior and it's been three years since he has done it. His favorite saying is screaming"bad Ben" followed by crying and he has never heard anyone in my house say this.

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Absolutely Joe, someone taught him how to bite to protect himself or because they didn't "listen" to him when he said I don't want to do that and because it worked in the past, he continued to use it. Now he does not need to do it. You know Joe, were it me, I would turn that Bad Ben into something else and the way I would do it is I would start singing "Good Ben, good Ben, what you going to do, what you going to do when they come for you". You know the theme song from that cop show. If he gets more reinforcement (your attention if he finds that reinforcing) than he gets when he says "bad Ben", it should turn around pretty fast if you are consistent and then you can pat yourself on the back over and over again. LOL

Do you have nicknames for your birds?

1. Zazu = Zazzy Pazzy Puddin Pie
2. Gypsy = Gypsy Bipsy Darlin girl, you are so very pearl
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4. Nikki = PumperNikki Bird

My birds get really animated when I use their nicknames. It's our special thing.

Just last weekend, I bought 8 huge Crispin apples. My favourite. Washed them and put them on the freezer to dry off while I was doing dishes. Now this certainly wasn't one of the brightest things I've ever done. Zazu was hungry and she decided to take a bite out of every apple. Now was I happy, no but was it Zazu's fault, absolutely not. Now I have to eat apples with brown spots where Zazu tested them for me. LOL I really should have known better because Zazu does love apple.

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That I have,it's "yay Ben good boy" when he gets excited as his food dish is getting filled. I have turned around all my adoptions except for Eddie and I will not give up.

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I am pleased to post that Eddie stepped to my hand tonight and lifted his wing for a scratch. I thought it was too good to be true so I gave him a little scratch then offered him a banana chip which he didn't want.................what he wanted was to nail me good with a bite. No blood only two bruises,my ego and my thumb. grin

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Joe, considering the history you have with Eddie so far, I would not have attempted to touch him at this point. Just allowing him to step on your hand and then off was major from his point of view. This gives Eddie free choice and you don't get bitten.

And Joe, you know what they say about "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is".

I think you are definitely heading in the right direction. Just some tweaks here and there.

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Well I thought I would offer Eddie my hand again today to see if he would step up again. When I opened the cage he stood in the same spot and I offered my hand and he stepped right up without hesitation. I held him for a couple of minutes and put him on his play stand for about a hour. I got his banana chip container out and let him see me put a few chips in his bowl in the cage and he got excited and started pacing back and forth on the stand with his crest up. I then went over to him and offered my hand to which he stepped onto gladly and I was able to return him to his cage and he went right to the dish and got the chip. I was glad that this time was painless and might be better than allowing him to take it from my fingers. Bev,is this a OK way of rewarding his behavior? The more I thought about it it's not really rewarding or is it?

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Joe, delivery of the reinforcer does not matter so much as timing (contiguity) and the if/then scenario (contingency). If you do this, then you get that. Do you bridge the step up with a "Good Eddie" so that he knows the treats are coming. There was a study where they waited 20 seconds before they rewarded pigeons and apparently they never could get the pigeons to do the requested behaviour but when they rewarded the pigeon right away, they got the requested behaviour in minutes.

A behaviour is being reinforced if it is maintained or increases. So if Eddie continues to step up, to go back to his cage then the banana chip is reinforcing to him. Does this make sense, Joe?

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Yes,it does make sense. Praise has always been a part of my interaction with all my birds and with added excitement to my voice and it has worked well all the time,well almost. I always say "yay (name) good boy" and clap which is always repeated by my CAG because he hears it so much.Why have birds if your not going to interact with them in a positive and healthy manner?


BTW...No nicknames here,that's a female thing. LOL

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So just keep doing what you are doing, Joe, and let's see how it goes. Time and repetition will tell if you are on the right track with Eddie. I would not attempt to touch him for awhile. Make yourself very reinforcing to him first, OK?

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Things have been much better with Eddie and his rewards for good behavior. He looks forward to banana and now knows what is expected of him to get one. It has been a long time since he has has a aggression lunge. He still is reluctant to step up,but I'm good with that. I am able to let him out of his cage and he doesn't feel the need to attack me and will fly to his playstand and not to my face.

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Joe, a step up asks alot of a bird, people just do not realize it. Would you like to work on that?

You have come so far with Eddie. A lot further than you thought you ever would, right?

So why not go for the gold? You can do this. ABA can do this for you and Eddie.

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Bev,yes I have made more progress and wonder if asking him to do more will set us back. Eddie's eyes will bulge more than normal when he is in his defense mode and still shows some signs of this. I think I am willing to move on your suggestions.

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No, Joe, it will not set you back because you are not taking from Eddie but asking. Huge difference. It will be his choice. You just stack the cards in your favour by using things he values. Eddie currency as it were. LOL We know banana chips work. Got any more. Doesn't need to be food.

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Eddie loves food and his treats. The only other thing is his out of cage time which he enjoys. He gets 2-3 hours a day during the week and 6-7 on weekends.

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Sorry for the short reply,Bev. I seem to be having problems replying to threads and logging in. It has always been real slow but it seems to be taking longer lately.

I'm thinking about trying to get Eddie to step up when asked to,but here's where I'm at with him. He is unclipped and enjoys being flighted.He has always flown to his play stand and back to his cage or where ever he wants to be. I'm not sure whether stepping up will be successful without a good clip because he came to me with the first four flights clipped and was still able to fly with ease.When my daughters take him out he will on occasion run up their arm and use their shoulder as a launch pad.

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Two of my birds are flighted Joe and will step up from anywhere (most of the time and you have to allow for this). When it's important, they always step up. Sometimes they don't want to and I just allow them that. With ABA, it makes no difference whether the bird is flighted or clipped, what matters is using the right bird (Eddie's of course) currency.

But we need to start off with something smaller than the step up. This will take time, shaping and chaining. We will start off by getting small approximations and I will show you what that looks like on the weekend Joe. We will come up with a plan.

Deal?

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All seven of my birds are flighted and all but Eddie will step up without hesitation. I will check back the weekend and get your instructions.

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Joe, can you tell me what Eddie does on a daily basis from the time he gets up in the morning until he goes to bed and exactly what his daily diet is?

Bev

You said "Eddie loves food and his treats". That bodes well for us Joe and especially for Eddie. Gives us Eddie currency or a primary reinforcer. Can you name 5 foods that he is particularly fond of. If not, 3 will do.

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Eddie is up and most days out of his cage at sunrise.He will spend 3-4 hours out of the cage after he eats.Mornings he has a game of shred up the new pan papers as they are being replaced.We goof until Eddie decides it's war for a unknown reason. Afternoons they all head to their sleep perch's and it's lock down till 6pm food time and out of cage time until he decides about 9pm he wants to be covered now.

Diet is breads and some type of fruit in morning. Veggies and bean,rice,cooked pasta at night. They always have a seed mix and pellets they eat during the day.Then there are those people treats they always seem to mooch.

His currency right now are banana chips,coconut pieces and dried cranberries.

#215389 - 01/17/10 06:53 AM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: Doubleyolk]  
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Joe, check out this video from www.parrotenrichment.com

It is Kris Porter's site and she has added lots of great stuff to it.

Amazingly enough, it's a video on teaching the step up. Isn't that serendipity or something. LOL

When I tried to watch it, it was weird and all kinds of crazy colours. Let me know if you have that problem so I can tell Kris about it.

http://www.parrotenrichment.com/trainingisfun.html

Let me know what you think.

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That is an excellent video Bev!

ETA: I made it a sticky.


Birds are angels who lift us up when our own wings forget how to fly.

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Bev,I was able to watch it with no problems. That is basically what I did with my other birds and worked well. I have tried it with Eddie and he would try to bite my hand to get me to move it so he could get the banana chip.I'm thinking about giving him a good wing clip so he has to depend on me getting him to places he wants to go and trying what the video shows.

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I thought it was very clever how the gentlemen quickly removed both hands when the bird approached him, beak down.


Birds are angels who lift us up when our own wings forget how to fly.

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Joe, any updates on Eddie?

I wonder if a Time Out from Positive Reinforcement might work. What I did was if one of my birds nipped me when I was interacting with them, I would turn my back for 30 seconds (no more than this) and then turn around and give them the chance to do it right. You might be surprised at how quickly this will work.

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I have been working with him on a daily basis with very little success. I'm beginning to think that he is what he is and wants to remain a hands off bird. He has been with me now for seven years and is nine years old and appears to be happy with his living conditions. I have given some thought on a wing clip,but he loves to fly so I'm not sure that making him dependant on me to get places would be a good idea.

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What have you been doing, Joe? Explain what working with him on a daily basis means?

If your problem with him is biting, clipping him will just present more problems because you will have to carry him from place to place, will you not?

I can see you are discouraged, Joe and that's natural but trust me, ABA will work. It's not even a maybe, it is the law of behaviour.



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#217781 - 02/28/10 08:43 AM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: ZazuSally]  
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Sorry for the late reply,Bev. I try to reward him with a treat for all the positive things he does,not grabbing the food dish from my hand,allowing me to scratch his head,not grabbing the papers when cleaning his tray,allowing me to change around toys in the cage and so on. I gave up on the stepping up because my fingers can't take many more bites. Things have improved some now that I don't wear my glasses when I'm around his cage and he seems more relaxed. I guess the biggest thing is that he doesn't fly at me or hunt me down when he is out of the cage.

grin I'm not discouraged,I just feel like I have been defeated by a bird.

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We all have those days, Joe. How big are the banana chips you give him? You give him a whole banana chip for "not grabbing the food dish from your hand, another for allowing you to scratch his head". Is this correct?

Can you tell me again what his daily diet consists of?

I'm just trying to figure out if satiation is a problem here.

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I give him small pieces,about 1/4" square. Yes,I give one to him most of the time or I say 'yea Eddie good boy' and clap my hands and when I say this he will look up and make a clapping noise with his beak,crest up,tail feathers fanned. I really wish I knew more of his past history other than his mental abuse. I still think there might have been physical abuse in one of his previous homes.

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Nikki was physically abused in her first home Joe. Animals don't live in the past. Yes, they carry baggage but I believe by utilizing ABA effectively, we can move past that.

Can you make those pieces smaller? Can you tell me what you feed him every day?

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#217877 - 03/02/10 02:59 AM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: ZazuSally]  
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Eddie gets fruit breads,veggie breads,always has Zupreem Natural pellets,Higgins Sunburst mix,fresh fruits and veggies that I alternate every day. When I first got him the only food he was fed was Zupreem Fruit and he accepted his diet change real quick.

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And if you put all those things in a bowl, what would he eat first or second, Joe?

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#218010 - 03/04/10 03:50 AM Re: Eddie..E2 Aggression [Re: ZazuSally]  
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Bev,he would go for the banana chips first and then the hemp seeds and the rest he will eat leisurely with no real favorite. He will not eat nuts of any kind,they just get thrown from the cage. A friend of mine has two MSC's and he laughs and tells me that I need a Exorcist to look at Eddie and change his name to Damion.

BTW:I'm not about to hold a hemp seed in my fingers and offer it to him. grin

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Could you offer them in a SS bowl so he doesn't have access to your fingers?

Eddie is just misunderstood. LOL

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