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#17208 - 10/28/05 01:29 PM "Screamer"  
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I just thought perhaps we should clarify something. I am seen this behavior term used like it was something your Too should not be doing, along with plucking and whatnot.

Actually, to quote exactly, Morgan+me said:
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I am fortunae that Morgan is not a screemer.
Let's clarify that "screaming" (or barking as I call it because this is what Rascal sounds like LOL) is a natural behavior for a Too. This is their call and if they weren't doing this, I would have to wonder if that bird might have come from a place where it did not get much attention and just doesn't see the need to call.

I compare it to an infant who cries. When an infant doesn't cry (meaning like they don't cry for anything at all) usually it is because it has learned that crying will get them no where, usually from neglectful parents. A Too's scream is sort of the same thing. Sometimes they do it out of anger or because they are distressed, but it is something natural that they do.

Morgan+me, don't take this as I am saying there is something wrong with Morgan. I am sure he does "scream" sometimes. Some birds are more quiet than others, though, and it doesn't mean what I stated above. I just wanted to make sure you and anyone else that is new to Toos understands that this is something natural and there is nothing wrong behavior wise with your Too is they scream a lot.

If I am wrong about anything I stated here, or missing something, please feel free to reply. I don't stamp myself an expert in any field relating to Toos. laugh

#17209 - 10/28/05 05:41 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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If you are around a too when they 'scream' you will know what that means. They can be very loud and that is the cause of many people giving up their bird, they just did not know how loud a too can be. The scream is a normal thing for a too unless it goes on for extended periods of time, then it can indicate other problems.

#17210 - 10/28/05 06:34 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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If you live with a screamer you will no the difference of a cockatoo doing his normal screaming, i have two rocky and lucky who both are screamers.Rockys who's screaming is like music to my ears after what we went threw usually around 5 maybe at the lastest 6 in the moring he will start to scream at the top of his voice which gets Lucky joining this will last until i get up if i am lucky i get to block out the noice i have a pair of ear plugs and pillow i put over my head and sleep until 8 i work 4 to 11 every night oh yah i forgot to mention when i get home at night of course it does not matter how quite i am i wake him up he goes to bed buy 9.30 at night he will scream and wake ever one up for about a hour or until he no's i am in bed. Screamers have behaviour problems there is no two ways about it i don't care Rocky can scream his head off at least i no he is happy and heathy it takes a special person to not care about the noise maybe a little crazy like me lol, because a normal person would go crazy after one day.

#17211 - 10/28/05 06:39 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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I have to wonder if maybe Morgan means that hers in not a constant screamer? I can't even picture a too that doesn't scream! lol!

I think part might be that some of us aren't as affected by these screams as others as well. I know that Bosco is typically pretty quiet all day then he gets wild and crazy at night. (He's such a goof.) I wouldn't consider him a "screamer" but he does of course do his share of what we like to call "singing" lol!

The thing is that for us it's kind of normal we are noisey people and have noisey pets. Our dog's a barker, our cats are even constant talkers, we have a few birds and I think my blue crown probably creates more noise in a day than Bosco. BUT when most people come to visit they don't stay long because the birds get going and they can't stand the noise.

I think a lot of the different noise levels reported could possibly just be a matter of interpritation.... or maybe I'm way off. Just a thought.

#17212 - 10/28/05 07:36 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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It probably varies just like anything else. Some people speak loudly, while others speak softly. Some toos are probably more vocal than others. Paulie is only 2 and a half, but in my house he's the quiet one so far. My conure and my caique scream all the time. He just looks at them like, "What's your problem?"

#17213 - 10/28/05 07:46 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Yeah, I am sure that Morgan meant that her Too doesn't scream a lot like some might.

I just wanted to make this post incase anyone got the wrong idea and thought it would be good to clarify that a screaming too doesn't mean they have a problem.

#17214 - 10/29/05 05:07 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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My precious Morgan can make the most brain rattling of screams. And I like it when he does. I like it because I am fortunate that when I shut off the lights and leave on his night light, He goes to sleep. He is quite until I wake up. My computer and drafting table and kitchen and tv are all viewable from his perching area and cage. (i don't allow him to run around when the stove is hot) So no matter what, he can see me unless i'm showering (when he screams) doing laundry (he screams) or anytime all the lights are on and i'm not around. But I meant i am very fortunate that I can shut off his voice with a light. Although i never leave him in the dark unless its bedtime.

#17215 - 10/29/05 05:09 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Oh and for some reason when i walk out the front door (he can see that too) he knows i'm going away and there is no reason to scream, I'll be back. When i first got him, he screamed when I left. I guess now he knows i'll be back. I used to have a roommate that said Morgan slept most the day but a hour before I got off work he'd get really excited and start running around his cage. He knows my schedual. hehee

#17216 - 10/29/05 05:28 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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lol Morgan & me...if he "screams" when he can't see you..that is just his way of saying.."hey i cant see you, come here, where are you".
My Linus is not a constant screamer. When i am out of his sight.. he plays with his toys quite contently until i come back. However..i have noticed that even though he doesnt scream constantly..he does the usual 2 times a day just because he is a too. Its a most exciting time..i enjoy it. He enjoys it. But i am also learning that he has many different vocalizations, that mean different things. In the mornings when he wakes up and no one else is awake..he will ring this cow bell...that is on the end of one of his toys. Of course it wakes us all up and we start moving around. If His Majesty is up..you know we ALL are up. Also..i have 4 dogs.. so when they start barking at something of course Mr. Man has learned to make a "bark" too..he actually blends in quite well. When he gets excited..he has this baby garbled kind of thing going on lol it is quite funny to watch.

#17217 - 10/29/05 05:31 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Oh Nancy, that is too funny. I wish I could be at your house to see this!

Choo Choo is fairly quiet. He did go through a couple of 'noisy' days until I figured out that he was missing his sunflower seeds and letting me know it. smile

#17218 - 10/29/05 06:21 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Rooster..i tell you..it is never dull around here! quite at this second because it's nap time at the farm...ahhhhhhh the silence laugh

#17219 - 10/30/05 08:02 AM Re: "Screamer"  
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Nap time! I love nap time. It's a great 30 minutes just to sit down and do nothing.

I know exactly what you're talking about when Linus does the baby garble. Salvador does the exact same thing. He loves to do it into his big metal bowls on his play stand. He sticks his whole head in and makes sounds. Cracks me up.

I'm glad he's a normal screamer as well. I also enjoy the screaming twice a day.

#17220 - 10/30/05 07:36 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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The baby garble... hahahaha.

Yes Morgan has done that too. When I first got him, he did it alot more then he does now. I'm not sure why Morgan isn't happy lately. But he used to get really excited, and put on a show, and do the garble thing, and whip his head around. My friends thought he was possessed like the lady in the movie Exorcist. hahahaha. The vet thinks he has axiety and that he is just getting used to my house and its not new anymore. Thats what he said when I asked him why he put him on the haldol. He said when birds get used to things they start to destroy the feathers and then carry on to bad behavior and .. blah blah blah... you all know a bird out of control. Anyway, he said i don't have to restart it if i don't want to, but he thinks morgan will stop other things that he pointed out to me... like he bites his nails, and grinds his beak.. even in his sleep he grinds his beak. We are moving to texas, maybe he'll feel rejuvinated. Maybe he will do the exorcist move again. hehe it really is funny.

#17221 - 10/30/05 07:45 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Morgan and Me, are you able to get a second opinion from another vet? Maybe there is something else that you can do to help Morgan.
The beak grinding is normal. Toos do it when they are relaxing and also while they are falling asleep/sleeping.

#17222 - 10/30/05 07:46 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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a bird will grind their beak when they are content and or sleepy. I don't think it's too unusual for them to sometimes bite at their toenails either.

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He said when birds get used to things they start to destroy the feathers and then carry on to bad behavior
that's a pretty open ended, generalized statement. The honeymoon might be over and Morgan might be getting used to things but that doesn't automatically predict the above behaviour. Cujo's been with us 12 years, he's never plucked a feather. Is this an avian vet you're dealing with?

#17223 - 10/31/05 03:32 AM Re: "Screamer"  
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morgan &me.. the beak grinding is normal. Actually the research i have done says..that when the bird is content..before/during sleep they will do this. It also "prepares the beak for the next days meals".. strange..but thats what it said. Anyway..when Linus makes the grinding thing..i know he's a happy lil camper.
I dont understand about the vet saying that..when the bird gets used to your house and its not new anymore.. that that causes bad behaviour. That seems just strange to me.I mean..i am no expert..but our Too's like routine and structure, do they not? at least that is what i have been reading. I think i would get a 2nd opinion.

#17224 - 10/31/05 06:34 AM Re: "Screamer"  
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By "Get used to things" could the vet possibly mean boredom? I know you're not causing a bored bird--no one here is. If anything we're all over stimulating them with all the toys and attention.

I'd ask the vet to clarify what he/she means.

The beak grinding is fun. When Salvador takes a power nap I sometimes let him do it on my shoulder. I grind my teeth and he snuggles up close to grind along. When my cockatiels were with me it was quite a grinding chorus. Loved it.

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#17225 - 10/31/05 07:15 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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Good to see that this thread is getting some good use! smile Morgan and me: I hope you don't think I was picking on you, just wanted to make sure for anyone else in the future that might be new to this board or owning a Too, understood that this behavior is typically normal.

#17226 - 11/26/05 01:44 AM Re: "Screamer"  
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Hello all! I have been reading everyones replies regarding the screaming issue. I don't have an issue with Chloe, I have a subscription. I have had her for a year, and just recently she started these screaming episodes. I can honestly say that I believe they are definitely a behavior problem. The reason I believe such, is that she never wants to be caged. She thinks she should have full roam of the house just as I do. I haven't changed anything, I keep her pretty routined. I rotate times to take her out, she gets plenty of attention, all the great things birds like her need. When I take her out we have a blast together, she is right by my side. When I put her in either of her cages, she screams like crazy, non-stop for long periods of time. At first, I thought something was wrong with her, she would start screaming, I would come running, as soon as I would get to the cage, she would quit. I have tried ignoring her when she screams thinking maybe she would realize it isn't getting her anywhere (especially out of her cage)and reinforcing good behavior, like when she is talking. I will take her out of her cage then. Should I keep doing this, or is there something else I should be trying. She will be two in April, maybe it is the terrible two's?

#17227 - 11/26/05 12:20 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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ToocuteChloe,

I would like to suggest that you start trying contact calls with your bird. When you leave the room you may want to start using a whistle to let Chloe know where you are, you can keep it as simple as just saying Im in here. Birds are flock animals and you are their flock. They keep in constant contact with each other even when they are not in sight by using calls.

When your bird is screaming I would continue to ignore the bird, but listen very carefully, as soon as the bird is quiet, even for a second you should call to the bird letting them know where you are. Once this behavior has been established (contact calls) the bird should be quieter as it is listening for your calls and it cannot hear them if it is screaming.

It is very important that your bird learns that it is alright to entertain themselfs by playing with toys and such. I give my birds their own personal time, but they are also able to entertain themselfs when I am not there. They also know that if Im not in the room and they call out their names I will call back to them letting them know where I am.

My birds have their rather noisy times during the day (this is at sunrise and sunset, unless something excites them) and I have accepted this for they are birds. When my house is completely quiet is when I really start getting worried, my birds like to talk to each other and such.

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#17228 - 11/26/05 07:08 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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As I said before,wait until your macaw starts screaming like your cockatoo!!!Wakka has started screaming in short loud bursts like Chuckles,and she is ten times louder than him!!!

#17229 - 11/27/05 06:05 AM Re: "Screamer"  
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Too cute chloe,
I read about the contact calls after joining this site and they have worked great for me. Max would yell his head off anytime I leave his sight. This was a problem late at night, I stay up late while hubby and daughter are in bed by 11. Just for me to run to the other room for 60 seconds, he can be dead asleep, but he knows the instant I'm gone and starts hollering, waking everyone up. Thankfully they didn't give me much grief over it (daughter suggested putting mini fridge in family room and for me to wear a diaper LOL). Now as soon as I hear him stir, I whistle to him and he responds in same manner. Has worked WONDERS!!! Family is eternally grateful laugh
As for his screaming he has his times, as I put in another post tonight
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Max's "times" are when he's happy, hungry, lonely, bored, 8am, 10pm, when he's playing, any time someone knocks on the door, when I'm in the shower, when his dad comes home, when my daughter comes home, when the dogs are playing - just any time he feels his 2 cents are needed. At least I will never have to worry about sneaky intruders.

#17230 - 11/28/05 06:49 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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I can honestly say that I believe they are definitely a behavior problem.
NO it is not a "behavior problem", the point of the original post was for people who are new to owning a Too to understand that this is normal behavior. You have only had your Too 1 year. What I will say is you can spoil a Too, which is what you may have done and yes, she may not like the idea of you putting her back in the cage. BUT, it is natural for a too to scream, such as it is natural for a baby to cry.

#17231 - 11/30/05 07:17 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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magenta, babies cry and toos scream. absolutely, it's normal natural behavior. but there are certainly "screamers" who have been taught to scream by being rewarded every time they do. it can be a behavioral issue. i taught my amazon to scream for attention, treats, etc. by giving her anything she wanted to stop the screaming. and then i took a long hard look at my own behavior, and retrained her- ignoring her screams and only rewarding cessation of screaming or talking. so while noise is part of life with these birds- there are birds that will scream for hours on end out of boredom, for attention, etc. and the "behavior problem" is usually the person's, by not providing enough stimulation and attention, or more often than not, by inadvertently rewarding the screaming with food, attention, etc. the retraining is long and nervewracking. so for all you beginners out there- take notes. it's alot easier to prevent the problem than it is to cure. it does work, pedro is a joy now, she still screams- but not constantly, and she talks so sweetly when she wants attention that you just can't resist giving her some loving. and i just have to laugh if my daughter walks by with food and pedro screams, she'll turn to the bird and say
" you know i'm not giving you any until you stop that." and pedro will usually say hello, or i love you, and then she'll get whatever the snack may be.

#17232 - 12/02/05 06:25 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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I understand that it is natural for a bird to make noise. Chloe has always yelled (as I call it) first thing in the morning and at night. Pretty much around the same time everyday. What she is doing is screaming, and by no means is she spoiled. Before I brought her home, I interacted with her on a daily basis,from the time she was 2 wks old, until she was able to come home with me. I also spoke with the breeder (whom is a bird lover herself, and has 6 birds that are her pets) regarding the do's and do not's with her.
I am working with her now with calling back to her. Which most of you suggested. It is working. She just wants to know where I am at.

Thanks all for the wonderful advice.

(P.s. I have had the opportunity to read through the site, and have the understanding of the purpose of it. I do agree that it is a horrible market, and it takes a special person to take care of them out of their natural environment. Although Chloe was purchased for me as a Christmas gift, I feel that in a way I did rescue her, as she would of ended up in a pet shop for sale, and then if not purchased who knows where. Although, through ignorance of the abandoned bird situation, by me purchasing her I added to the problem, and on the other hand she is in a good home, with someone who loves and respects her for who she is. Since finding this site, like most, after the bird, I find it heart breaking that alot of these beautiful creatures aren't as lucky as my Chloe.

#17233 - 12/02/05 10:52 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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screamer's are just looking for there flock, as the resue group tell me that are in the group that I have growen to apperate. until 3 years ago I had no birds. Know i have taken on there problem bitter's & have one that was saposed to be a screamer. All she wanted was to say good morning and to be able to see what was happening around her. When she calls out i wisle back should have seen her when i won the noise contest. Any way she is not nerly the screamer that she was made out to be.

#17234 - 12/18/05 03:38 PM Re: "Screamer"  
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smile I think as l have posted with topic being screeching, it is differant when they do there play thing hanging up side sown having a little screech/scream to when they are doing it to get your attention and there own way!!, or due to there owner spoiling them like l have :rolleyes:

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