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#171560 - 07/28/08 05:13 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Razzle'sMommy]  
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peanuts ( but make sure you buy the one at the petstore coz raw peanut can have some kind of fungus i think and hurt the bird


Sorry, have to jump in here... you actually want human grade, not animal grade peanut if you *must* feed peanut. They can carry aflotoxins

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I recommend either Valencia or Spanish peanuts as they have the lowest levels of aflatoxin. Also, please note that low-grade animal feed products are more likely to be contaminated with aflatoxin than those products sold for human consumption. Roasting helps to dry nuts and may inhibit the formation of the mold. We prefer to feed our birds raw peanuts, however, and have not experienced a problem. Peanuts must be grown, shipped and stored properly to decrease the chance of the development of aflatoxin-producing mold. Be sure you purchase your peanuts from a reliable source.By Alicia McWatters, Ph.D.


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#171938 - 07/31/08 12:39 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Razzle'sMommy]  
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Siiiigh. Do you think all your Toos could teach my cockatiel the ways of eating mash?

My cockatiel has the opposite problem. She wouldn't eat mash if her life depended on it. She loves her seeds, pellets, and dried veggies, and she like crunchy treats. But every time I offer her anything cooked she won't touch it. I will cook (lightly steam) a veggie she loves and she will beak it and then become very upset at having perfectly good veggies 'ruined'. smirk


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#171940 - 07/31/08 12:47 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Elfhome]  
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Warm cooked food is the trait of a hand raised bird. Your bird eats more like a bird would naturally. As long as she is getting the proper nutrition and eating well. Who cares?

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#171944 - 07/31/08 01:13 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: TiKa's Dad]  
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Elfhome, Cassie won't touch food cooked and definately not mash! The only things I cook for her are rice and beans. Everything else is raw or close to raw. I do slightly cook sweetpotatoes, but am sure to keep them slighty crisp otherwise she won't touch them! She eats everything so I stopped worrying a while ago. Just have to make sure I give her enough high calorie foods as she doesn't keep weight on too well.
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#172140 - 08/01/08 07:51 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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I'm always worrying about Bella's diet... I know she eats pretty well but there are some foods like string beans, rice, beans, sweet potato that she looks at so longingly. I feel so bad for her because she sees them and she really wants to try them uncooked - she doesn't understand why I can't let her have any.


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#172148 - 08/01/08 11:25 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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Originally Posted By: BE2Cassie
Elfhome, Cassie won't touch food cooked and definately not mash! The only things I cook for her are rice and beans. Everything else is raw or close to raw. I do slightly cook sweetpotatoes, but am sure to keep them slighty crisp otherwise she won't touch them! She eats everything so I stopped worrying a while ago. Just have to make sure I give her enough high calorie foods as she doesn't keep weight on too well.
Nancy


Most of what Sammy eats is raw as well, except beans, rice, pasta.
I steam corn on the cob slightly. Yams are baked, but not mushy.


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#172156 - 08/02/08 12:26 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Lanie]  
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How come you don't give her raw string beans? Is there something wrong with raw that I'm not aware of? My whole crew eats them daily. So do all the herps, mammals and birds at the zoo.
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#172163 - 08/02/08 01:55 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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Originally Posted By: BE2Cassie
How come you don't give her raw string beans? Is there something wrong with raw that I'm not aware of? My whole crew eats them daily. So do all the herps, mammals and birds at the zoo.
Nancy


That's what I was wondering. All the things you said she longs for are what you should be giving her. Raw or cooked.


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#172166 - 08/02/08 02:41 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: TiKa's Dad]  
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Legume beans do need to be cooked because of something in them that needs to be cooked out. Sorry I've forgotten what's it's called. And sweetpotatoe too has some enzyme or something that needs to be cooked out. Although we gave it raw at the zoo.
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#172169 - 08/02/08 02:47 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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I misunderstood. I thought she wasn't giving her any. Just not raw.


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#172200 - 08/02/08 05:34 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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I hope there isn't anything wrong with raw string beans that I didn't know about. I feed him those a lot.


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#172209 - 08/02/08 06:35 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Lanie]  
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I feed Razzle Raw string beans also.. when I get them freshat farm stand, she loes to get the beans out, this is about the nly veggie she wil eat uncooked at room temp. I havent feed Razzle and raw brown rice, but can you? I am just curious..lol I always cook the sweet potatoes and yams, as well as beans. Are there any bags of beans you can give raw? I thought they all needed to be cleaned VERY well and cooked in crock pot.. could be wrong... again, just curious. =)


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#172216 - 08/02/08 07:52 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Razzle'sMommy]  
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Also, string beans should be fine raw. It is most varieties of beans and green beans that carry the toxin (I typed string bean instead of green bean). My family calls string beans green beans - which does not help matters. String beans may or may not have lectins - there seems to be some debate about this - but the answer is probably not in appreciable quantities.


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#172249 - 08/02/08 06:20 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Razzle'sMommy]  
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Originally Posted By: Razzle'sMommy
I thought they all needed to be cleaned VERY well and cooked in crock pot.. =)


I never thought of using the crock pot to cook the beans. That's a great idea. I've always cooked them on the stove top.


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#172255 - 08/02/08 07:10 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Lanie]  
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"any bags of beans you can give raw"

What is a bag of beans? Are you talking about dried beans?


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#172278 - 08/02/08 09:42 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: spinnyspoo]  
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Spinny, yes I am talking about the beans in the ags at grocery stores. I wasnt sure if there was a bean "dried" that you can buy to give them, as far as I am told you cant, just wanted to ask. We are NOT big bean eaters, my hubby likes baked from the can which I know is a no no. I use the white canneli beans in my Italian bean pasta soup. After that I have only bought beans in the bag, the soup mixture for Razzle, clean them then cook in the crock pot and mash some, freeze some and then serve some =) to the birds.


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#172322 - 08/03/08 06:13 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Razzle'sMommy]  
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Bill gets dried, then cooked beans every day. As per our vet's instructions. I cook them in huge batches (because we are big bean eaters) in my pressure cooker. I do about 3 kilos at a time. (uh, hold on... 2.2lbs to a kilo) add about 3x as much water and leave it hissing for 18 minutes. Then I freeze it on cookie sheets (like you would berries) and throw it into freezer bags. Instant cooked beans. He gets a handful in his mash.

Why is one not supposed to feed beans to a cockatoo? I have never heard this.


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#172382 - 08/04/08 01:10 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: spinnyspoo]  
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All beans are not created equally, some have enzyme inhibitors that make them indigestible to parrots. Here is the best sorting I have seen yet:

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large raw beans - such as Anasazi, Black, Fava, Kidney, Lima, Navy, Pinto, and Soy - can cause toxicities when fed raw, causing digestive upsets for people and potentially for birds. Some experts recommend that large beans should be cooked to make them safe and digestible. Others counter that soaking beans for 24 hours starts the germinating process and that soaking makes the beans safe and digestible. For those who do not want to take any risks, it's best to cook large beans thoroughly before feeding to your birds. These beans are not recommeded for general sprouting purposes. Certain uncooked dried beans contain enzyme inhibitors, are undigestible, and may cause visceral gout in birds. These enzyme inhibitors may prevent or decrease the utilization in the body of substances, such as trypsin and chymotrypsin, to produce nutritional deficiencies. Beans that can interfere with proteolytic enzymes are lima, kidney and soybeans. Cooking these beans for at least 2 hours destroys these enzyme inhibitors. Other dried beans do not appear to contain these enzyme inhibitors or, if present, are in low concentrations. To be on the safe side, it's best to cook ALL varieties of beans.

#172422 - 08/04/08 05:00 AM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: Charlie]  
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Huh. I always cook my beans anyway, but I hadn't known that. Good thing Bill doesn't like raw beans!!!


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#172514 - 08/04/08 11:21 PM Re: Warm food only?? [Re: spinnyspoo]  
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Bit of a warning:
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As few as four or five raw beans can trigger symptoms. Several outbreaks have been associated with "slow cookers" or crock pots, or in casseroles which had not reached a high enough internal temperature to destroy the glycoprotein lectin. It has been shown that heating to 80C may potentiate the toxicity five-fold, so that these beans are more toxic than if eaten raw. In studies of casseroles cooked in slow cookers, internal temperatures often did not exceed 75C.


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Onset is usually marked by extreme nausea, followed by vomiting, which may be very severe. Diarrhea develops somewhat later (from one to a few hours), and some persons report abdominal pain.


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