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#154188 - 02/13/08 12:44 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: ladida]  
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Please dont be so defensive ....these people are trying to help you.

#154189 - 02/13/08 12:45 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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You did not read my post - I took him off the seed - he came to me hooked on it - I have had him for about 3 weeks now. He doesn't take food from my hand.

#154192 - 02/13/08 12:52 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: liviray]  
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Originally Posted By: liviray
Please dont be so defensive ....these people are trying to help you.


I am getting defensive when someone tells me "how sad".

#154195 - 02/13/08 12:56 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: ladida]  
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You did not read my post - I took him off the seed - he came to me hooked on it - I have had him for about 3 weeks now. He doesn't take food from my hand.


Ok, so you've defined his interest and what the cause of his begging. You're way ahead of the game.
A bit of seed is absolutely safe for a cockatoo, so if you want to provide him with a some, given his age and emotional needs, do so...it wont kill him or hurt him even in the short term. Also, dont worry that he will define that he gets seed everytime he begs over the long-run. He is a weanling and should be treated as such...you'll have plenty of time to modify his dietary wishes, but only specific developmental periods in which you can impact his long term well being. Dont put too much pressure on yourself or the bird to do what is perfect....its an art and a science...focus on the "art" presently.
If you decide not to give him seed offer him portions of his staple diet and reassure him with affection. This will create an understanding that the staple diet is associated with the need for food, and also "comforting" the bird diminishing the likliehood that an unwanted, creative, concepts of negativity on the birds part.

#154196 - 02/13/08 12:58 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: ladida]  
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"I actually bought some seed to mix in with his pellet and he seemed much more satisfied and no crying, but it did cause the diarrhea. Yesterday he did not get any seed and actually I was holding him and getting something out of the cupboard and when he saw the seed he started crying. I put him up on his cage and finished eating his dinner." It sounded like you were giving him seed again. Sorry if I misunderstood. I still hand feed Cassie at almost 4 years old. She looks forward to it each morning. It's a very nice bonding experience. We eat a PB sandwich on whole grain bread. Nancy


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#154199 - 02/13/08 01:07 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: BE2Cassie]  

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I misunderstood as well I suppose

#154201 - 02/13/08 01:11 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: Upstate]  
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Thank you for your input. I am learning his body language and starting to really be able to read him. He eats his other food very well when seed is not offered. If seed is offered he does not eat the good stuff.

#154204 - 02/13/08 01:22 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: ladida]  
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I had startedc up the seed again after the crying but then stopped again after the vet visit.

#154210 - 02/13/08 01:57 AM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: ladida]  
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At such a young age you are the parent of this baby and I am sorry if you feel I came across a bit rude...It did seem like you were not taking advice when given very good and important advice.I do tend to get upset when the advice is there but argued when we see the product of what happens to bird when it's NEEDS not wants are being ignored.

You need to sit with this baby and teach him everything from what is to eat all the way down to what to play with.Believe me this is allot of work and you need to be prepared for that as well.The food issue is just the start.

I bought my first cockatoo from a petstore and he was already in a serious phobic state when I bought him.He was force weaned very young...by 2 months old actually.I had no idea what was wrong with him and tried to find the answers but was asking the wrong people actually.I even asked a local breeder what could be wrong and she said he was fine too.I knew he wasn't.I phoned the pet store I bought him from and that got me nowhere they just kept telling me he was fine and he would change in time.

Eventually I went to my local vet (he is a farm animal,cat and dog vet) and he put me in touch with my Avian Vet.At this point Gabby was close to a year old and very phobic to the point where he was hurting himself trying to flee from everything.She is the one who got me feeding him like a baby again using foods and his pellets in the blender and warming them to feed to him.He was also allowed to grow in his flight feathers fo the confidence and try rewinding the damage that was done.

It has been years trying to help Gabby and I think he has come allot farther in recovery than even my AV thought he would.He is now able to sit with other people at the table and actually clown around for them to laugh and the more they laugh the more he will laugh.He is eating good and eats all foods now although in the past he was even scarred of most foods even.He is a special bird and has required much patience and understanding but has come a very long way.

This has taken 4 years to unwind all the damage humans caused him from not allowing him the very things he needed that was so easy to provide.He is now 5 years old and just started to allow my neice who lives with me to touch him and hold him.That in itself was a day of celebration because for 4 and a half years who wouldn't go to anyone but me.

So this is why I get a bit emotional when it comes to this subject.I know allot of this was my fault for buying something uneducated.

I also want to add it took me a while to get Gabby to eat from a spoon or even by finger food because of his shape but I did have to keep trying for him and his well being.I am not telling you to force it but please talk with a couple of Avian Vets get a few opinions and base your opinion on that.Some AV don't believe in the same philosophy of this but some do.

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#154324 - 02/13/08 07:13 PM Re: The honeymoon is over [Re: Janny]  
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Thank you and I do take my ownership or vice versa of this bird very seriously as with all of my other animals. I am gathering all of the information that is out there and making decisions based on knowledge. He is a pretty well adjusted little guy considering probably being weaned too early. He is very social, he loves everyone in the family, he gets play time with us everyday. The only time he is locked in his cage is when we are not home, bedtime, or if he can't be supervised. He has lots of toys that I rotate and recycle. He has foraging activites that I give him. He has a very well balanced diet that includes red palm oil. Still learning though and I appreciate and do listen to the advice you folks are giving me. I am lucky enough to have an avian vet that is also a too owner - she has so much valuable information to give. Thanks guys

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