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#151701 - 01/23/08 06:14 PM PetSmart abusing animals ?- VIDEO  
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WARNING - THIS IS A VERY DISTURBING VIDEO!!


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#151707 - 01/23/08 07:09 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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The segment shown on The Today Show was edited from a longer video, part of which shows a cockatoo chick dying without medical care over the course of 45 days. The investigator kept asking if he could adopt her, but he was refused.

Click the link below to see the entire video and read the undercover investigator's account of conditions at Rainbow Exotics in Houston, a breeder/supplier which PetSmart buys birds and small animals from. The Video is disturbing. If you don't want to view it you can still read part of the investigators notes, and get involved in a letter writing campaign if you desire.

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/petsmart_investigation

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I hope this exposure brings down this empire!


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That was painful to watch. I had to turn away from it. I signed the petition. I am not a PETA fan but when they do undercover video's they force us to see the ugly side of humans and for that I applaud them.

#151717 - 01/23/08 07:52 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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Thank you for posting this Echosmom. I don't usually watch these because I do find them disturbing and simply being horrified helps no one.

However, PetSmart is a large company that has stores in numerous provinces and states around North America. MyToos.com is dedicated to the wellbeing of cockatoos specifically. Petsmart was/is(?) involved in the Kaytee bird mills.

Can we not simply ask all of our (how many Jerry?) seven kajillion members to stop shopping there? Can we not say, as a group,

"yes we're here for cockatoos, BUT petsmart is terrible for cockatoos AND hamsters and we choose not to support the philosophies, attitudes and ethical mores that treat not only birds, but all animals in this atrocious way. We may even agree that some PetSmart stores try harder than others to be decent, BUT as a whole, the profits go back to the larger company that we choose not to have anything at all ever to do with because we don't pay our hard earned money to people who treat animals that way."

Okay, it's wordy. It could be tweaked.

Now. My question, just to be devil's advocate is: Do we know if the footage is true? I know that a bunch of PETA members have been busted staging some pretty awful stuff to 'make a point'. I'm afraid I don't entirely trust PETA's veracity.

Saying that, if it's true, I'd happy to start a letter or see if I could get a petition on petition.com for everyone to sign (it can' be so hard) to send them.



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#151737 - 01/23/08 08:53 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: spinnyspoo]  
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Quote: "Now. My question, just to be devil's advocate is: Do we know if the footage is true? I know that a bunch of PETA members have been busted staging some pretty awful stuff to 'make a point'. I'm afraid I don't entirely trust PETA's veracity."

I'm unaware of the situation in which you refer of PETA members getting "busted" for staging videos. I would love to know about those instances for my own information.

I am neither supporting nor condemning the organization which made the video. It is what it is, you can take action or not. It is an individual and personal decision, however I do not find it useful to spread rumors that are unvalidated.



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this is horrible. and it was very difficult to watch. i dont understand really why petsmart dont just stop selling live animals. i would think they make most of their money off of supplies and food. i am glad i seen this. i was going to petsmart this weekend for simon's pellets. not now. i will go to the little old lady with all her pet birds that sells bird supplies and buy. i was thinking of that anyway. i have to find a different pellet anyway. i didnt know about the whole thing with kaytee until recently and the pellet simon was eating was from kaytee (exact) so now that it's time to buy more i need something different.


She wasn't refined or unrefined. She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot.


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Here is Angels story in case you did not see it on the PETA website. One of the most heartbreaking things I have ever seen. Please, everyone write to Petsmart. We have to do something. This happens everyday, in pet smarts, petcos, pet shops all over the country. It is time to make a stand!

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/01/petsmart_cruelt_1.php

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I'm unaware of the situation in which you refer of PETA members getting "busted" for staging videos. I would love to know about those instances for my own information.


It was just on the news a week or so ago. I will try to look it up. I'm about to go to bed now, so I'll have to do it later. It does make me question them some as much as I am against unethical treatment of animals.


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Recently there was a show on HBO, interviewing Ingrid Newkirk the founder of PETA. The show was called I Am An Animal. She is very open about the illegal activities of PETA and doesn't hide it. As a matter of fact they showed videos of some of their actions. They also support ALF and showed videos of their actions. I'm leery of their preachings they could do alot of good for animal welfare but choose to do it outside the law and to make it as contraversial as possible to get more coverage. I think in the long run they hurt themselves and their message. Nancy

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Ugh that's pretty horrible. The Petsmart (and related things like Petland) take very good care of their animals. The worst pet store I've seen is one located in a mall and it's not as bad as some things I've seen online. It's depressing how the people who own and work at these places just don't care..

Besides that... I'm completely against PETA and the ALF. Not because I dislike animals or anything, but because they do the wrong things and are just nuts. They always go after the tiniest percentage to show how horrible things are (such as finding the absolute worst ranch they can and saying "oh well they are ALL like this"). The ALF also tends to make the problem worse, by stealing, vandalizing and hurting people.

These groups are just small-scale terrorists. If you want something done about the abuse of animals, you have to go about it properly. Doing it by force will never, EVER work. The worst is their treatment of other human beings. Many ALF/PETA members have repeatedly said that they don't care about people.. I've seen some say they would rather let labs test drugs (and whatever) on human children instead of on lab rats.

But anyway, I'm getting way off topic now so I'll stop ^^;;

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For me, this isn't about "PETA" - it's about animal neglect and abuse - and about those that support it - either directly, or indirectly. I consider PETA to be "over the top" in many of their views, BUT there is NO EXCUSE for the images seen in these videos and we need to do something about it. One of the most sickening things for me is knowing that what we saw in these videos is happening everyday across the nation...regardless of what groups are involved - whether it be PETA - PetSmart - or whoever!


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#151794 - 01/24/08 02:31 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: Kim & Lilly]  
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I watched this and, obviously, found it horrible to watch. But what struck me, though I know the investigator must have been overwhelmed, she just filmed this poor baby dying for 45 days. I think I would have just grabbed the bird and left as soon as I would have been afforded the opportunity. I realize her purpose was to save "the multitudes" by getting PetSmart to stop the sale of these animals, but at the same time, what about the one that died before her very eyes. It wasn't like it was a quick, instant death, like so many of the small, furries in the video, but Angel died such a slow and preventable death. The investigator could have done something. I don't know how you could love animals so much, and let that one die. Any thoughts anyone?

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I am not going to get into a debate about PETA, as I said, I'm not a big fan of their tactics, but as EchosMom said, this is not about PETA really. They just happened to be the ones who conducted this undercover operation and regardless of how I feel about their tactics and motives, what we saw speaks for itself.

This has to stop and if it takes PETA to bring it out into the light, so be it.

We may not be able to win the war against breeding right now, but we CAN pick our battles and try to win a few of them. This is one battle we can win if we get the word out and expose this animal/bird mill to the public.

If we are able to at least make Petsmart stop using this disgusting mill and help get the mill shut down, then we have won a battle and we move on to the next...baby steps.

We may be able to at the very least, save the animals that are at this moment being abused, tortured and neglected at this one facility and that's a start.

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EchosMom I agree with you and apologize for leading the thread in to a topic about PETA. That ranch does need to be shut down. We need to get stronger legislation in place to combat the amount of animal abuse that we are seeing in this country. The number and types of animals that are being bred for the pet trade is absurd. You can buy anything you want in this country today regardless of the status of the animal. There are exotic pet breeders out there that you can legally purchase animals that are critically endangered. I made the huge mistake of working at a large chain pet store for a couple of months a few years ago. If people could see the treatment that the animals recieve in these stores they'ld be sickened. Regardless of the stores policies you have teenagers caring for animals that are clueless on the proper care required or just too lazy to provide it. Nancy


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The investigator could have done something. I don't know how you could love animals so much, and let that one die. Any thoughts anyone?


I was thinking the same exact thing, and I know I could not have watched that bird die over such a long period of time. I would have snatched it up and taken it out.

BUT...I guess that would defeat the purpose of showing the neglect to the point that they allowed this bird to die and had the investigator "saved" the bird, the bird mill would be able to deny that they were going to allow it to die.

It's not something I could do, but I do "get" why it was done this way. The harsh reality is that bird died while in their care and they did nothing to prevent it's death.

I just hope that poor baby didn't die in vain, and that we are able to stop the abuse/neglect and cruelty in Angel's name.

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Tina, your questions are very valid.

But, there is a logical, although heartwrenching, answer to your question..."The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one". Sad, but true. That "one" baby, will hopefully save the lives of many others....IF we take a stand.


I'd make a terrible investigative reporter because I would have snatched that baby too!


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Any thoughts anyone?


I have one. Someone has to document this kind of thing and show it to the world. As Echo's Mom said, this happens all over the nation every day. The general pubic needs to know. We should spend our time seeing to that by spreading it everywhere we can. These kinds of awakening moments are not created by weaklings. I'm sure it was extremely distasteful and disgusting to the documenter but it is no different than us trying to get people to take purchased, baby cockatoos back to the breeders and stores that sold them.

I'm not fussing at you here but some baby cockatoos are going to suffer and die. Their deaths, when detailed like this, help in some small way to prevent more from suffering the same fate, or worse. We, here, are a small group of dedicated caretakers; we are the minority. Most people don't have a clue what they are doing and their birds suffer terribles days for years on end.

PETA aside, if we just sit around and tsk, tsk when we see these images, we are just as bad as the perpetrators. Show these things to people you know! Explain things to people you know. Write letters and be outraged and do something! That documenter did a distasteful and possibly dangerous job and that chick died a slow and completely unnatural death. Did they have to endure all that for nothing? I sure hope not.

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Let's face it, no matter what anyone thinks of PeTa (I sympathize with many of their campaigns, but don't always like everything they do), there's *no* defending how that cockatoo was treated in the video, or any of the other things their animal mill suppliers do. That was seriously disturbing...

Interestingly, any caring person I've ever met who likes animals and trys working at a pet store that sells animals ends up quitting in disgust. In stores, even if the animals seem well-cared for, that's rarely the case for sick animals kept in the back room, or for the breeding animals at the animal mills many pet shops get their animals from.

If enough people boycott the store and write letters, something could be done. A lot of stores do not sell puppies because a lot of serious dog people won't shop at stores that sells puppies. That's why PetsMart does not sell puppies. Let's try to see the same thing happen with the rest of the animals.

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Ok, I don't think I can watch this video, but I will sign a petition if someone knows of one. I personally have stopped buying any pet supplies from stores that sell animals. We have a chain here called "Pet Supplies Plus" that has gotten rid of ALL animals, even fish, and they have reasonable prices.

I don't want to support a business that contributes to the abuse or neglect of animals. Also, I have a hard time walking away from the animals, even though I know it just makes the problem worse, so I just can't go in them -I'm afraid I'll cave and end up with a sympathy purchase -I KNOW my weaknesses.


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I received a boiler-plate reply to my email to PetSmart. They link to a press release on their website. Interestingly, the press release doesn't mention Angel as one of their 2 main concerns, which were the neutering of the rabbit and someone stepping on a hamster to kill it. Looks to me like a speedy response by someone at corporate who hasn't even seen all of the footage, or isn't paying attention. Typical corporate damage control. Please write your letters to Petsmart if you haven't yet. Let's not let that baby cockatoo's death be in vain, there is no excuse for any human being to allow an animal to suffer like that. It is unconscionable.

Here is the response:

Thank you for taking the time to contact PetSmart. We're very concerned about some of the images in the PETA video and are looking into the allegations that have been raised. For all the details on the Rainbow investigation and PETA's other campaigns, please visit {our website}. We will be updating this site as more information becomes available.

Sincerely,

Customer Service Manager
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And the press release:

PETA's Campaign Against Rainbow Exotics

Updated January 23, 2008

PETA has launched a campaign against Rainbow Exotics, one of our major pet suppliers. The images, video and allegations are very disturbing.

Of all of PETA’s allegations, there are two that are of particular concern to us:

1. PETA alleges that some surgical procedures being performed at the facility are outside standard veterinary care. One particularly troubling segment of the video shows a Rainbow staff member conducting a surgical procedure on a rabbit.

It’s difficult to know exactly what was happening during this procedure, however, we are concerned that appropriate methods weren’t being followed. This is a serious concern to us and one we’re investigating fully.

2. The PETA video implies that a Rainbow staff member killed an escaped hamster by stepping on it. While the video is not completely clear and we’re not sure of the true facts surrounding this issue, we’re treating it seriously and are fully investigating it.

These allegations are troubling and we’re taking them very seriously, which is why we’re conducting an investigation. PETA also made other allegations that deserve a response:

Care and condition of the pets and facility
PETA alleges that pets are housed in overcrowded, unsanitary conditions.

• PetSmart requires that our suppliers’ facilities must meet USDA requirements for animal care as well as our own high standards, which includes space requirements. We’re conducting a full investigation to make sure our standards are being met.

• The habitats are designed for cleanliness and safety, knowing the pets spend only a short time in these facilities before being shipped to stores. PETA’s images unfortunately portray only pets that are in various stages of being transported within the facility, when large numbers are grouped together for a few moments.

Medical care provided the pets
PETA alleges that no veterinarian ever visited the facility during the two month investigation and that pets were cared for by untrained staff.

• PetSmart requires each vendor to have an attending veterinarian, and Rainbow has a veterinarian that is responsible for overseeing the medical needs of the pets.

Death and disposal of pets
PETA portrays Rainbow as being insensitive regarding the disposal of pets that may have died in their care.

Even under the best circumstances, unfortunately some pets get sick and die. The loss of any life is upsetting, and while images of death are always difficult to accept, sadly it’s an inevitable fact of life.


PetSmart is committed to the exemplary treatment of pets, and we believe this is evident to customers who shop our stores.

We use only USDA-licensed breeding facilities for our pet suppliers, and we require that our breeders have a licensed veterinarian on staff. We expect our breeders and their veterinarians, including Rainbow, to be true to our high standards for pet care as well as those required by regulation. When PetSmart vets have visited Rainbow’s facility (including unannounced visits), they have found those standards in place. That’s why we’re so disappointed and disturbed by some of the issues that have been raised. We’ve launched a full investigation into this matter and we’ll take any and all steps necessary to make sure our pets receive appropriate treatment and care.

If you have any questions, please contact our Customer Service line at (800) 738-1385, ext. 2518.




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I hope that Petsmart shapes up and stops using that place and the people running that place get in trouble.. I'm not sure what state they are located in, but I'm pretty sure animal abuse like that is illegal in a lot of them. @>@

The worst part about this stuff is that a lot of people just don't care (and I've met a number of people who are disturbed enough to think that this sort of thing is funny). It's really disheartening to see that this still goes on and on.. frown

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We are all (those that signed on the PETA site) getting that same, canned response from PetSmart.


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I got the same. Here's another address for folks to help turn up the heat:
Rainbow World Exotics
c/o Jack and Diane Graham
RR 3 Box 194g
Hamilton, Texas 76531


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Way to go Maria, I was thinking the same thing! Kim

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Here are physical addresses I obtained from TX Corporate Records:

RAINBOW EXOTICS INC
4772 COUNTY ROAD 105
HAMILTON, TX 76531-3826


Registered Agent: JACK D GRAHAM
4772 CR 105
HAMILTON, TX 76531


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Originally Posted By: EchosMom
Tina, your questions are very valid.

But, there is a logical, although heartwrenching, answer to your question..."The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one". Sad, but true. That "one" baby, will hopefully save the lives of many others....IF we take a stand.


I'd make a terrible investigative reporter because I would have snatched that baby too!

They've actually done a study on ethical dilemas. What they found was that sort of thinking causes a LOT of areas to light up in the brain. Logically, it should be easy. But as humans we find it very hard at times. It's a big issue for documentary makers and investigative journalists filming in tough situations. Or even situations when they face nature, and have to decide to interfer or not.
For example, wolves killing a moose

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Originally Posted By: Kim & Lilly
Here is Angels story in case you did not see it on the PETA website. One of the most heartbreaking things I have ever seen. Please, everyone write to Petsmart. We have to do something. This happens everyday, in pet smarts, petcos, pet shops all over the country. It is time to make a stand!

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/01/petsmart_cruelt_1.php


OMG couldn't watch this. ESPECIALLY not of a baby goffins' cockatoo. I don't shop at PetSmart/Pet Supermarket anyways, not even for pellets. I only go there as a last resort/emergency. I shop at the local bird store for pellets and toys, as it is by far the lesser of two evils.


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signed. I've also sent it to everyone I know who has an animal and posted on the craigslist petfo.

what I heard in the news re:peta was a follow-up from a story quite a long time ago and irrelevant. Sorry.


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I signed, I cryed, it will haunt me forever those videos.

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I didn't read all of each of your posts. This has been a very bad week for me and this has just been the icing on the cake, it's bothered me so much.

I wanted to say something about those not supporting PETA or ALF (although I don't know what that one is yet). I do support PETA for what they are doing, but I don't support them for the way they do it. Sometimes the shock value is just too much and can turn away those that in other, less shocking presentations, may be more accepting to the problem and help.

In my opinion that is what we are for. We need to get this out in a manner that touches people so that they want to help. Maybe you can call that playing it down a little. But shouldn't we, as mytoos and ftb's members educate ourselves on this situation and then get it out to others in our way, not the PETA shock way? I have posted several times on my weight watchers message board in an appeal to anyone who loves any animals, not just parrots.

PETA is over the top sometimes and very shocking, but I'm going to find a way to get this out so that even PETA non supporters will be willing to look at it and get involved.

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Lori thats a great idea to send it to others not involved in animal message boards. Most people I know have at least one pet and most likely use the large chain pet stores. In my area we have a limited number of stores in which to purchase the premium pet supplies so I'm sure that everyone goes there. I'll be telling everyone. Thanks for the idea. Hope your week gets better. Nancy


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Oh my God, Angels story is the saddest thing i've ever seen, how heartbreaking this really is.

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Thanks Nancy, it's getting better.

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Very sad, I was in a Pet Smart in CO. checking out the birdie things earlier this month & there were very few birds & not a lot of bird supplies either. They only had budgies & finches, maybe this is a good sign ???

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We have a pet store here in town, the next one is 40 min away, I buy most of my stuff online to avoid going there because they sell birds. I HATE the fact anyone would go in there and just buy an animal 'off the rack" like that. Makes me sick.

I will give them one "attaboy", not just anyone can walk in and get one, apparently (from someone who COMPLAINED about this) they grill you about your bird experience before allowing you to purchase one. They only carry small birds and the birds cages are, clean, FULL of toys and fresh food. I was told they are probably a better HOME for the few birds they have then most, if they would just stop selling!!!!

That being said, I DO NOT support them if all possible. 2 years ago we had a ice storm and I had to have bedding and cat food, they are 4 blocks away, I HAD to, no other options. I felt bad about it, but sometimes your stuck.

We have Several PetSmarts in the town near us (the 40 min away thing). I went there once, didn't buy a thing of course, but all their birds were in Quarantine??

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Originally Posted By: gizzytoo
Very sad, I was in a Pet Smart in CO. checking out the birdie things earlier this month & there were very few birds & not a lot of bird supplies either. They only had budgies & finches, maybe this is a good sign ???


Petsmart stopped selling large birds here too. It's like they want to punish the public by not carrying the supplies anymore either. They just figure the birds are sold and gone and washed their hands of trying to help the situation they were a major cause of.


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Now. My question, just to be devil's advocate is: Do we know if the footage is true? I know that a bunch of PETA members have been busted staging some pretty awful stuff to 'make a point'. I'm afraid I don't entirely trust PETA's veracity.





Its so sad, but its true. It was all over MSN news and FOX 13 News when it was aired. If PETA did something like this and it was a LIE, then they could sue PETA and Im sure the NEWS STATIONS would LOVE to exploit another one of PETA'S "flaws" etc, like they have done so in the past.

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That was almost the worst thing I have ever saw in my life! My Simon is a Goffins and I just kept thinking of: what if that was my baby?! OMG I am soooooooooooooooooooo glad we stopped shopping at Petsmart! I don't care for the shock value and it makes my stomach sick but if that is what it takes to get people to stop shopping there and see what goes on behind the scenes and see where their pets come from show it! Send it to everyone letting them know of course that it is VERY disturbing. Thanks for posting. 22 more minutes and I can go love my Simon! I need a cuddle now! lol


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Originally Posted By: karateka
I went there once, didn't buy a thing of course, but all their birds were in Quarantine??


They were in quarantine because of an outbreak of psittacosis - nationwide! http://www.mytoos.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=149024&fpart=1


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I couldn't even watch it. It makes me sick.

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I know there has been talk about the validity of the footage, but there are two things I know for sure:

1. That baby cockatoo is crying!
2. Baby cockatoos are not supposed to cry!

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It really hurts to watch that video. frown frown frown Those poor babies! How could anyone be so heartless as to throw a baby in the trash??? It just breaks my heart.

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I just watched Angel's video and I am just heart broken. Oh, that poor darling. I feel like I'll never be able to get that video out of my head.

I think of my little Bella and it breaks my heart to think it could have just as easily happened to her. That poor baby...

Where do you guys buy new toys from? The PetSmart around my house doesn't sell birds so I didn't know about any of this. I don't want to buy anything from them anymore. Do you know of a safe place to buy toys?

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Originally Posted By: Nomokis
Do you know of a safe place to buy toys?


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That is the saddest, sickest video I have ever seen. Poor little baby. No living creature should endure that. The "investigator" may have been trying to do good, to expose a horrible situation, but I don't care- I would have taken that baby out of that situation whether they let me or not. Period. Am I missing some part of the story? How could she just watch that poor baby die?


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Originally Posted By: Cebr2007
That is the saddest, sickest video I have ever seen. Poor little baby. No living creature should endure that. The "investigator" may have been trying to do good, to expose a horrible situation, but I don't care- I would have taken that baby out of that situation whether they let me or not. Period. Am I missing some part of the story? How could she just watch that poor baby die?


I feel the same way. I couldn't have just watched for so long. I would have taken the baby goffin out, and it would have taken a SWAT team to stop me.

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I agree Walter.
I saw the whole video on some news show and I was so devastated I was an emotional wreck for weeks. Then I stated to question the validity of the video because a person who is undercover for an animal orginazition who could watch a baby bird die, is completley heartless and a coward, so what would said person be doing undercover with the danger of getting caught? (also, how could a baby last a week with out food or water, let alone for 45 days?) I believe we were had on this one guys.
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As I recall the bird was being gavage fed to sustain it. I won't watch it again though. The images and sounds are forever etched in my heart and soul. I could not have stood by and witnessed such suffering, that much I know.


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No, no, no, nooooooooooo..................

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You may be right, EM. I also will not watch it again. It is very traumatizing. But then, isn`t that what PETA is striving for?
So very, very sad. Anyone who could stand by and watch such a thing and do nothing is sub-human, obviously.
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They have their own agenda...


PETA: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/258

PETA Killed 95 Percent of Adoptable Pets in its Care During 2008

Hypocritical Animal Rights Group’s 2008 Disclosures Bring Pet Death Toll To 21,339

WASHINGTON DC – Today the nonprofit Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) published documents online showing that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) killed 95 percent of the adoptable pets in its care during 2008. Despite years of public outrage over its euthanasia program, the animal rights group kills an average of 5.8 pets every day at its Norfolk, VA headquarters.

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I agree Alex. Fanatics always make me nervous. Who are they to decide who lives and dies? Bit of a God complex, I would say.


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I have first hand knowledge of the 'bad' side of PETA and although I cannot give specifics, I can tell you that a lot of what they purport to be true is not and that bald-faced lies are stated as truth. I do not trust that organization at all.

Any org that needs to lie to survive, shouldn't.


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Here is a shocker...Peta is talking about making Michael Vick a spokesperson! Shock value I suppose. Maybe a way to show his remorse for KILLING DOGS (I doubt that)! What a joke!

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Horror movie...I am crying... and it makes mae angry too... i want to break that bastards fingers one by one.

I don't know what laws you got in US.. but in Australia they would go to jail.

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I'm only posting on here since I saw that one link - PETA: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/258

I'm no fan of PETA. I hate them as much as the next valid Animal Rights activist does. The saddest part is, they do occasionally have some good points to make. Had they not filmed and just rescued the bird, everyone would think, "Awww, how nice!" instead of having these grotesque images etched in their souls. It might be sensationalism, but it works.

I mean, I owe the fact that I'm vegan due to PETA's persistent messages similar to this.

But again, I do not like PETA.

What I like less than PETA is that Web site I mentioned earlier. I understand people's knee-jerk reaction to hating PETA and wanting to believe anything negative about them they can, but check your sources first. That Web site is run by a food industry funded organization; the ones who have the most to lose if PETA wins people over. Their donors include such members as Taco Bell and other fast food chains and factory farming businesses - none of whom PETA has ever said anything good about.

So we may dislike PETA but Consumerfreedom.com is 10 times worse in their scale of violence and abuse to animals.


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Had they not filmed and just rescued the bird, everyone would think, "Awww, how nice!" instead of having these grotesque images etched in their souls.


I agree. This is happening untold times a day in every conceivable type of situation, not JUST PetSmart! If this one's suffering can convince ONE PERSON what a horrific life most of these birds endure, it has not lived in vain. Someone has to do the documentary. I'm not sure I could do it, but it needs doing.

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Consumer Freedom is absolutely biased, but you can look at Peta's records on the government's website.. so they aren't exaggerating. Also, attacking consumerfreedom instead of their argument is called an ad hominem attack and is a logical fallacy.

If you want to help animals, support the animal welfare movement. Animal rights have a hard-line, impossible stance that will only hurt people and animals in the long run. I'm sorry, but there is no way everyone in the world is going to become vegan (although you are quite welcome to do so yourself, as long as you realize it's not actively changing much of anything). Even if these groups managed to outlaw meat, do you really think that's going to stop people? People are going to be smuggling cows and keeping them in their basements (or what have you) and at that point, all of those regulations and good care standards go out the window and the animals suffer much more than before.

There are still bad farms and abusive practices, but I feel they are the minority and groups like Peta love to use them to represent the majority, which is completely unfair. The abusive people are bad definitely, but we shouldn't paint everyone with a broad brush. Animal welfare tries to focusing on getting rid of the bad places and bettering the care these animals receive. I've noticed a lot of people don't know the difference, so they are putting their lot in with the wrong people.

I hope an unbiased, objective documentary comes to light about parrots. Shockumentaries may fool some people for a while, but people have brains and can figure things out. I think the truth about companion parrots is enough to get people to see the light though, so there is no reason to manipulate anyone. The breeders always seem to cry bloody murder when a one-sided report comes out, I think they'd have a harder time with one that covers both sides.

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that was....awefull

i was last in one of their stores around a yr ago...they were selling birds and fish that i remember....guessing nothing changed

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Originally Posted By: Kyrie
The segment shown on The Today Show was edited from a longer video, part of which shows a cockatoo chick dying without medical care over the course of 45 days. The investigator kept asking if he could adopt her, but he was refused.

Click the link below to see the entire video and read the undercover investigator's account of conditions at Rainbow Exotics in Houston, a breeder/supplier which PetSmart buys birds and small animals from. The Video is disturbing. If you don't want to view it you can still read part of the investigators notes, and get involved in a letter writing campaign if you desire.

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/petsmart_investigation
I was looking for the vidio of the chick dying for the DH. I only found the RE vidio


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Never mind found it. Showed it to DH and he is sick about it says he will never shop there again! (Never mind I told him all about this before. He had to see it.)


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good!! they wont listen when they are sent letters so vote with your dollar <or lack of it> since they seem to prize that most of all. maybe the lack of us spending there will get their corporate attention...thats what the reef keeping community did and it helped a little tho they still sell fish at least they arent mass murdering corals and sending home sick corals to kill other peoples tanks too.

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While videos like this are so disturbing to those of us who love our angels, it is important to watch them and share them. Anyone who comes into our home expressing interest in birds, is quickly sat down to watch some of these videos. A picture/video is worth more than words can ever express. It is up to us to do all we can, for the angels who cant speak for themselves. I keep Mytoos cards with me at all times, and pass them out to folks. I do visit our local pet stores constantly, and if I see birds for sale, I start communication with the owners (I never purchase from these stores). The pet stores that dont sell birds, I praise them for not doing so, and explain why. I may not win all the battles, but I will do all I can to help stop the breeding and selling of birds. It is a promise I have made to my flock!


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I think the letters and campaign a while back, about 7/8 ? years ago, did some good. Our Petco and Petsmart used to carry large parrots. After the campain our Petco stopped and about a year later Petsmart stopped. They both still sell the little guys.


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I think (this is purely personal and I take total responsibility for my beliefs) that PETA is an extremist group and I try very hard to stay away from all of those organizations.

I am a true believer that doing the right thing is the logical thing and support what Shakespeare advocated, the 'golden mean'. Bottom ine is, we need to do the best with what we have in a socially responsible and cognizant way.

Most of us will all want to have companion animals at some point, but let's make sure that the animals that are chosen are suited to the adopter and that all the information is provided to them.

You all beleve as I do, that animals shoudn't be sythansized ust because by are ino
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#222903 - 06/30/10 01:09 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: Lucy's Mom]  
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Hi Lucy's Mom,
Could not make out your last sentence???
I think if the money and lobbying groups protecting industries that regularly are cruel and inhumane in their treatment of animals were not so powerful, extreme tactics would not be needed...
Our society likes to be comfortably numb to what happens to chickens, ducks, cows, pigs, calfs, and animals we keep as "pets", never mind what circus' do....
I hope there is no need someday soon!
That is MHO...
Tania


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#236004 - 08/01/11 01:52 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: Cassie's_girl]  
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Before I even saw this video I went to Petsmart to buy some toys for g2, and there was this conure there. I stopped and talk to him for a little while, the poor baby was all puffed up and shaking, his feathers didn't look healthy and his eyes were half closed and secreting... Didn't look like this bird was going to make it. When I got out of the store (leaving like $30 behind for a couple of perches and a treat), I was crying. Those people are trying to get big buck for a bird that clearly needs medical attention! It is so unfair... I don't even want to go there anymore. Who is going to stick up for those poor creatures????

#236060 - 08/02/11 03:06 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: Cassie's_girl]  
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We have Pet Supplies Plus here as well. They have a nice variety of unsalted treats (sunflower seeds, peanuts, corn kernels) that you can buy the pound. Very convenient.

I can't believe that guy was doing invasive suturing with no gloves and clorox wipes as his antiseptic. Animal or human, the pathophyiology of infections does not change. How horrible.

#239014 - 11/01/11 01:55 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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Most of what my guys eat is either "people food" (veggies, nuts, seeds, whole grains) from whole-food places, or pellets from a store that shares space with the local animal rescue. I make most of their toys. Just a "primitive" at heart, I guess. . .except I can get really chained to the computer sometimes. . .(sigh)


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#246352 - 07/24/12 08:38 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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This is ridiculous. The reporter finally picks up the sick cockatoo on its dying day. She let that baby parrot suffer all for the sake of a story. She had plenty of footage to get her point across, without having to wait for the baby parrot to die. That parrot did not have to be the one to die for the many. I believe the video could have served just as useful, if she had taken action to save Angel.

I don't usually comment on things like this, but that just really made me mad. She was more concerned about providing drama for her story then coming to the aid of the bird. Did she want to see the story through to the bird dying so her point could be made? They are all reprehensible.

#246451 - 07/27/12 08:19 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals ?- VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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If a bird is allowed to die in misery because of somebody's greed, the greedy person killed that bird, by torture. If a "concerned person" uses the bird's death, filming the process of torture, it seems to me that the "concern" is pretty shallow. I hate to be the one to rock the boat, but "cold-blooded" is not a consistent adjective to go with "compassion". It is not possible to "have compassion" on an idea. Compassion means feeling with, and ideas are not feeling entities. If I have to pretend that it's okay to ignore suffering to the point of refusing to make an attempt to stop that suffering, I have become part of the "sacrificing" of that individual. I will not sacrifice any lliving thing to anything smaller than the God Who Is the Creator and owner of that beast, and of me, because if I do, I am guilty of idolatry. I am responsible for the creatures within my reach. I am not able to pretend to know how any action of mine will play out, for blame or good, but I do know that I am commanded not to withhold good to anyone who needs it, if it is in my power to give good.


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#251245 - 03/27/13 02:15 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: spinnyspoo]  
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I was horrified when I saw the video on pet smart and rainbow. I bought one bird from them. Luckily she is a healthy 2 year old sun conure. I will not purchase anything from pet smart again, not even bird food.

#252734 - 07/25/13 05:54 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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OMG, I can't even watch something like that. Just hearing about it is enough. We do have a Petsmart here; thankfully they don't sell large birds. I actually haven't been in there in a while. We've been going to PetCo because we buy frozen rats for my brother's python there. It's the only pet store that sells them. I know PetCo sells cockatiels and parakeets (along with small furry animals like mice and ferrets and whatnot) and every time I go in there, I stop to watch them play for a minute. They all look pretty healthy. It seems like all the pet stores here have all stopped selling pets for the most part. You can't go into a pet store here and purchase a parrot at all any more. It's either Petsmart or PetCo, I can't remember which one it is now, but one of them sells conures too but nothing big. Every time I've gone in, they've always had plenty of food and water, the cages have been clean and the birds all look pretty healthy. But that's here. We had three pet stores (four, actually, that I know of but we haven't been to the other one in YEARS) here but I think one of them closed not too long ago. I don't know what the reason was, I just remember hearing something about it going out of business and closing. We don't buy bird food from the pet stores though. We've been getting it through the refuge where we adopted our U2.

There used to be a pet store in the mall (Pet Land) years ago but it closed down because of accusations of animal abuse that put it out of business. It doesn't exist any more. There's still a pet supply store in the mall, but it doesn't sell any animals.

The only way that you can even get a parrot here is either from a breeder (and I refuse to do that), someone who has one and doesn't want it/can't continue taking care of it any more for whatever reason (good luck with that option because I don't know of anyone here who has one) or from a shelter. We adopted ours from a shelter. The only reason we even go to pet stores now is to get flea drops (since the pet store is the only place we can get them) for the cats and dogs and frozen rats for my brother's python. I do look through the bird supplies while we're there, but they don't even sell anything for large birds.

#259265 - 01/20/16 08:30 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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Whatever happened with this? I won't watch the video. I know I cannot handle it.

#259277 - 01/22/16 06:24 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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The baby died and Petsmart is still in business. Hopefully the wee cockatoos suffering made at least a few people rethink supporting the bird trade industry. I cried for days after watching the video. I won't watch it again, once was too much.


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#260174 - 12/18/16 04:29 AM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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As far as I know PetSmart in Michigan stopped sellimg large birds yeara ago. hopefully other petsmarts will do the same

#260176 - 12/18/16 02:52 PM Re: PetSmart abusing animals - VIDEO [Re: EchosMom]  
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Petsmart and Petco both signed agreements with PETA to no longer sell birds larger than Sun Conures. They are still selling the small birds unfortunately.


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