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#130287 - 01/06/06 01:02 AM Need your kind input...  
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I received this message privately. This young person ask me not to post it to the messageboard, and normally I honor these types of requests. But I feel the need to share this important issue with others:

"message: hi i'm twelve years old ond bought a cockatoo in mid october.

I beleived what the pet store owner said about them being easy to take care of and will suite my life style. He said the only hard part would be feeding them formula until their old enough to stop. i didnt research before buying my sulpher crested and after i found your site i regret it. i didn't realise how much of a problem they are. my cocky is only 10 weeks old now and we dont know what gender it is my parents both go to work and i go to school so we dont have much time to play with it im regreting it fully. i don't want to send her away to a rescue centre but i know she might mutilate herself. what do i do
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese help me.

I would like you to offer this person thoughtful insite and assistance. If you cant... simply dont post to this topic. I will be interested in your comments.

#130288 - 01/06/06 01:18 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Well the first thing I thought, having a Lesser myself,was how can a 12 year old cope when I'm struggling and I'm 20 years older than them. The main person to blame here is the store owner, selling this unweened baby to someone for starters let alone a 12 year old, its terrible, could your parents not go back and ask for a refund, probably no, that would be the best though. Hopefully you could get you parents to come on the site and find out lots of information to help you and your family through what will hopefully be a good experience, having Mytoos this early in your Toos life might be a good thing, everyone is very helpful on here. I hope things are okay for you. smile

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Like flowerchild, I'm impressed with the kid's ability to ask for help. I have no idea where he or she lives, or who is nearby, but with some coaching and assistance (which is what the request was for) this person would make a wonderful too-keeper, and is in a position to speak to age-mates and schoolmates about the difficulty and problems involved with "owning" a cockatoo, or any bird.


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#130290 - 01/06/06 06:55 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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My response to the kid...

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It's unfortunate that you didn't find Mytoos sooner, but it's fortunate that you have now, and realized early on what you and your family may have gotten yourselves into. You've learned first-hand that pet stores will tell you what you want to hear so they can make that money.

I hope you've taken your bird to an Avian Vet and gotten clear instruction on how to properly wean him/her. Since the pet store was misleading, I wouldn't count on them giving you accurate directions for something that - if done incorrectly - could kill your bird. Besides, your bird NEEDS its health checked.

Have your parents gone through the Mytoos site? If not, I think they need to. After going over all of the information, I think your family needs to sit down and take the time to discuss whether you all are up to making a lifelong committment to this bird. If not, being that it's such a young bird, I don't think it's too late to make other arrangements for him/her.

I'm not quite sure whether going back to the pet shop, (armed with some literature from Mytoos and anything you can find regarding whether it is legal or illegal in your area to sell unweaned birds) and demand a refund and return the bird. That sounds harsh, and puts that bird back in the position to be sold to the next person who comes along with money.

However, making a bold move like that MAY discourage that particular pet shop from misleading other potential buyers in the future. If your family really wanted to do something for the betterment of birds that are being sold, you could hire an attorney, forcing some sort of legality to it all - perhaps setting a precedent (sp?).

Aside from that, if your family decides the bird would be better off in another home, the option is to take the bird to a rescue/adoption place for birds if there is one in your area and give him/her to them. I'm sure your parents may not be happy about taking the financial loss associated with that, but that would most likely insure your bird would ultimately find a good home.

If you all do decide you will go ahead, just bear in mind that life with a Too will not always be easy. They do bite, make noise, make mess, destroy furniture, walls and lots of other things. It is not the TOO who needs to adapt its behavior to live in captivity. It is the HUMANS who need to adapt their lives to live with a Too. Your family has a major decision to make. Through the process of making that decision, please remember that the most important thing is to do what is best for that bird!
That's my input. Hope it helps.
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#130291 - 01/06/06 11:44 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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It is not the TOO who needs to adapt its behavior to live in captivity. It is the HUMANS who need to adapt their lives to live with a Too.
This sentence sums up what keeping a Too is all about. Its not until you realise this that you can begin to think about life with a Too if you think its the other way around then your in serious trouble. With dogs and some other pets there is training which can make living with them alot easier, but I am yet to read a conversation on how their Too really does what it is told and not what it likes.
To the 12 year old, I think if your parents have the same thoughts on wanting to keep your new Too especially after reading this site and knowing what will come in the future you may cope, it really is shocking when you read but all very true, up until now Kylie is not plucking fingers crossed she won't but I now know from other members how to look after her the best way possible so she will have a much better chance.
I hope you and your family do consider keeping the Too because as we all have good times with our Toos, they aren't all bad, but usually the bads are really bad, if you go through the sites behaviour section you will read other peoples stories.

#130292 - 01/07/06 02:11 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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you are right, I have gotten more information from this website than any other. I recommend to all my birdy friends, not just too friends, because you get a good idea of any bird behavoir from this site. I've used all the recipes, some with great results, some with none. even after offering every couple of days, I keep trying on some foods, but like people, there is just some things they won't eat. And now that oliver is hormonal, i've learned more about mating and mating season, than i could find anywhere, I think it helps that there is so many good too humans here, that even after being owned by toos for over 20 yrs, i'm still learning. which of course is the best part of being a toos human, discovering new things... wink

#130293 - 01/07/06 06:00 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I think you are very wise and brave to recognize the difficulties that you may be facing and to ask for help. That shows that you are a concerned and thoughtful person. You probably would be much better off with a different kind of pet like a puppy or a kitten. If you end up keeping your too, your parents are going to need to help you quite a bit. You need to arm yourselves with as much information as you can, and for right now get that baby to a vet and make sure he is healthy and getting the proper nutrition. If you don't know what you're doing, you can hurt him badly or possibly kill him. Also please remember that when this chick matures he will begin to bite sometimes, and he could hurt you badly, so keep him away from your face and off your shoulder. Always remember that he is a wild creature and you can never predict his behavior. Please keep us posted, and don't hesitate to ask for help smile

#130294 - 01/07/06 01:51 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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What do you say to a 12 year old who's obviously concerned, but in reality cannot do much to help this bird? When I read stories like this (no matter what the age) my heart sinks and I have trouble trying to offer any advice or encouragment, because I know that for all the time I'll spend on the issue... it's probably just a waste of time. I've answered so many people (young and old) in this situation over many years that I simply cant bring myself to lay down the words again...especially to one so young.

I hate to say it's a lost cause, but I cant do it again, and this is why I pass the burden on to you people....hoping that someone who still has an ounce of hope can lay down the words to help in some way.

#130295 - 01/07/06 05:11 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry,
I am a fairly new TOO servant, but I feel for this young man. I know my Sophia is like any other TOO and demands her attention. We do have two dogs as well and have worked at safe interspecies play. Surprisingly they entertain each other well when I am out of the room (Sophia safe INSIDE her cage when I am out of the room), maybe this could help this family. Our Basset Hound and TOO love to sing together and tease each other with their toys.
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#130296 - 01/07/06 07:17 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I am saddened that this child has assumed responsibility for a cockatoo at one of the most difficult times for the bird; that is during the stressful weaning process. If he/she can somehow get through this process with the help of a veterinarian, he/she may have a devoted, loving, and beautiful companion for possibly the rest of his/her life. I can say with honesty, I have seen for myself, and heard through others, the passing down of birds from grandparent, down to parent, and to the grandchild. It can happen. I've seen one case at the avian vet's. The advantage and disadvantage this child has is youth. I don't want this to sound like Walt Disney, but a negative can turn into a positive. Maybe this special child is the one who can make it happen. My three U2's I raised do scream and one will nip a bit, but overall, my experience is basically positive. I NEVER allow them on my shoulder...NEVER. No rough play with swinging them around, only "bouncing" up and down. I have seen rough "fun" play turn young cockatoos into too aggressive adults and have always been against this practice. What is fun at first can later turn on you. Mine don't chase or attack me. Always be gentle. Start off right. Cuddle them close to your chest as babies. They feel secure and this has calmed mine as young adults--when they have a yelling fit or become frightened of others. I honestly have never spent hours playing with my toos. They can adapt to not having a lot of playtime, and it will make it much easier for you. Mine are content in their cages and do not expect to be able to tear up the house. Never let them roam around...electrical cords do get bitten through, if you give them the chance. Young 'toos are attracted to cords..older as well. They like the TV or music to be left on when nobody is home. I have always done this. My toos like having smaller birds around, like cockatiels, to watch, never to "play" with. One last thought: for a few dollars a day, he/she may be able to find somebody who knows how to feed and wean cockatoos--and I think consulting with a veterinarian about this could led to a responsible person for this job. I suspect this child may be from Australia...and maybe they still spoonfeed a lot. It is not quite clear to me. Details like this make a difference..but we don't know.

#130297 - 01/07/06 07:56 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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All I have to say is shame on the pet store for selling a twelve year old this bird frown Maybe I'm being pessimistic (probably just realistic), but what's going to happen when this kid is in high school, and is busy with school, possibly a job, friends, clubs, and so on and the cockatoo ends up getting little or no attention? Without enough attention, the bird may just go nuts...screaming, plucking, etc. Also, most people, once they move out of home for the first time, end up living in an apartment, and many cockatoos are loud enough to get one kicked out of an apartment. This is particularly true if they bird does not get enough attention. If he goes to university/college, there's a good chance that he will have no time for a cockatoo. What if this boy, later on, has a girlfriend that the bird hates? I've heard of cockatoos (males, mainly) attacking people that they see as rivals for attention from their main person. I'm not saying all cockatoos do that, but many do. How will he and his parents react if someone is bitten hard by the bird? Are they willing to deal with the noise, mess, etc?

It's great that the kid has recognized that he made a mistake, but I think he and his parents need to decide what to do, while considering that these parrots live to be fifty and are very high-maintenence. I think his parrots need to have a look at mytoos.com as well.

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The college issue is very real; I absolutley agree. I had to recently (business) consult with a man who heard my U2's yelling in the background over the telephone at dusk. He inquired about the noise, telling me he has a U2 as well. His daughter has just graduated from law school, and he said they "took over" her cockatoo when she entered college. I asked if they have any problems..and so far, he said all is good. With approximately 7 years of higher education behind his daughter, there was no way she could have kept a U2 in an apartment. I may have been lucky in that my companion U2's are 2 females, and the 3rd, a suspected female. Their mom, Coco, was an apartment bird and given to me in 1990, when she was a 4-year-old. My husband told me we were being given a cockatiel! confused What a shock to see a big docile cockatoo. I was still terrified of her for a long time. I actually did not know cockatoos screamed until I had had Coco for 4 years. I am certain she is in the small minority of cockatoos. Even now, her scream is tolerable, not nearly as loud as her kids. I guess she will be 20 this year. She is in an outdoor aviary and seems content--she was wild-caught. I cannot believe this, since her hand-fed kids will nip me a bit on occasion: Coco never once put her beak to my hand except to step up. I now think I have been one of the very lucky 'too owners. I don't think I'm the norm. Maybe I'm the Walt Disney version. Also, my neighbors don't object to the dusk screaming--more in the summer. Occasionally Karma (male) will scream in the middle of the night at the train that passes through below in town. No, as good as mine are, conditions are still critical for owning 'toos. Karma's scream could wake the dead.

#130299 - 01/07/06 10:40 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I am impressed that this "kid"..still a person though, I would rather not call him just a "kid".
What a responsible young adult to come on this site and seek out information...although the parents in his home may not be as responsible. I am not going to make judgements. My daughter is 10- and although I think she is the best in the world, if I was irresponsible as a parent and she was left to care for an animal, don't think she'd be knowledgable enough to come to this website and ask for help...can't even see it when she would be 12, so I commend this little guy for researching on his own to help with his new "pet" in which he had no idea of what he was getting into. I want to help him - I think we should help him. If not, it could be bad for the bird and this child has gone above and beyond what I think most 12 yr old's would do...and I am impressed. I don't think its possible to get the parent's involved obviously...as they aren't. He is asking ?'s, lets help him. I am proud of him for coming here.
This is a different situation than usual I think- when an adult comes on here with stupid and ludicrous ?'s, thats one thing- but this child is trying...have to say again, impressed. My daughter wants animals, but when they are here, their my responsibility...period.
And for the life of me I don't think that a pet-store would sell a bird to a 12 yr old...nor would a 12 yr old have the cash to purchase one- so parents must have been there, but now the parent's are not after all is said and done.
I'd like to help. What can I do? Is he already posting on here...I think he is...would like to know.

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I am impressed that this "kid"..still a person though, I would rather not call him just a "kid".
Gee, really, I didn't know that. I was typing in a major rush, so maybe my language isn't the best. Plus, we don't know if the poster is male or female.

Anyway, why should we not at least encourge this child to get his/her parents to read mytoos.com and other informative websites? No matter what, the parents will have to live with the cockatoo and deal with the 'too at times. When this child moves out, there is a possibility that his/her may need to deal with this 'too. When this child becomes a teenager and goes to school in the day and possibly works or socializes in the evening, his/her parents will have to deal with the 'too sometimes. I don't think having the 'too in a cage all the time should be considered acceptable. I do think that he and his parents need to think about the future a bit and if they can really give the 'too what he needs. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. If the parents are bird-lovers (we don't know if they are or not) then I think things could be okay. Sadly, they were clearly given some awful information from the pet store frown

Maybe I did sound a bit cynical, but just yesterday I was talking to a few parrot owners who take in and rehome second hand parrots. One just got another male Moluccan, and was contacted by someone that wants to rehome their nippy bare-eyed cockatoo. Another one who boards birds had a male Moluccan left with him permanently after the bird's owners decided they couldn't stand the screaming. A couple of ladies I know who rescue exotics have a lesser sulphur too that started to self-destruct, and another greater sulphur, who, at age four, has had half a dozen homes already. I simply think that this child and his/her parents need to think about some of the issues I raised, and I am glad he (she?)is doing research on 'toos. But so many people (whether they write Emails to this site or not) do not have what it takes to own these intelligent, emotional birds. And, of course, the store owner is the idiot in this case, not the child.
The major problem I see is that the poster even admits s/he and his/her family do not have much time for the bird, and as s/he gets older, s/he will have MORE responsibilities and LESS time. I hope they can do what's best for the 'too.

Anyway, if the original poster is reading this: I recommend learning all you can about parrots if you make the decision to keep the 'too. The best books, IMO, are "Parrots for Dummies" by Nikki Moustaki (it even has a link to mytoos.com !) and "The Companion Parrot Handbook" by Sally Blanchard. This site is great, too. If there's a parrot club in your area, see if you can join. The one I'm in is good, and I've learned a lot from talking to other owners there. Make sure your parrot gets some time out of his cage each day, and teach him to "step-up" consistently using lots of treats and positive reinforcement. Here are also some cockatoo articles to read: http://www.parrothouse.com/sfbio.html

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#130301 - 01/08/06 02:15 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I think whoever sold this cockatoo to a 12 yr old should be put in prison. Does this young person want to keep this bird or rehome it?

If (S)he wants to rehome this bird, maybe mytoos members could help. If they want to keep it, then the parents should get involved. A cockatoo should be part of the family, not a pet.

I feel so sorry for this poor bird. It breaks my heart to find out about a cockatoo so young being in the care of such a young person.

I'm proud that this young person cared enough to seek help, they must care a great deal about their bird. My heart breaks for both of them.


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You know, the one thing we need to give this kid is a lot of credit for asking for help. My own almost 12 year old knows more about animal husbandry than most adults. In addition to working in our own animal rescue,she used to help out at the Aquarium and the zoo (unoffically because of her age)in New Orleans. Avian wise, she's worked with parrots, penguins,and even raptors. She's also worked with a variety of mammals and is considered an "expert" on tarantulas. My point is, while it will be very difficult for this child to take care of the bird, but if the child decides to do so, and has the parents support, it can be done. We recently attended an event where our child was inducted into the Kids Hall of Fame. There we met scores of unique and amazing kids who had done things few adults could do. Jeffrey, if you want to email me privately (reallysgm@yahoo.com), my own daughter will be happy to email back and forth with this other child to offer some advice and support from a same age peer.

This is obviously an unusual situation. The pet store is at fault, not the child. If the parents are willing to be a safely net, and if the child is as unusual and as responsible as my own this could actually work. But something needs to be done about the store. That no store should sell toos is a given, but no store should sell any animal to any child without the parent or guardian present.

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Really--what a great daughter you have! This is inspiring. I hope your words encourage this other child. smile

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Garnet-
I hope you don't think I was being at all nasty to you...seriously, if I sounded it, I didn't mean it...but when I re-read it, I may have sounded like I was being nasty, so I apologize.
I agree with everything you said... I just feel bad because this child and (pre-teen none-the less!) seems to have gotten himself into a situation that hes not prepared for and I was so proud of him at this age for coming here.
I am curious as to if the pet-store owner sold this bird to him...a 12 yr. old- I feel like his parent's were involved in the purchase, but not gonna be involved in the after-math, and hope we can help.
Just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't being nasty.

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By the sound of it, I believe this child has realized that he cannot realistically provide what the 'Too needs.

The child mentioned sending the 'Too to a rescue for fear it will self-mutilate. He obviously cares for the bird but does not realize that it's good to find a stable home for bird while young, as other posters have mentioned.

I suggest sending him several links to parrot rescue/adoption organizations in his area after he makes his parents sit down and scour the MyToos website.

Sammy, M2, came in to my life at 17, and even though I was 5 years older than this child is, I was still too young.

Undoubtedly, Sammy will always and forever be in my life, as long as God permits. But if I could turn back time, I would have waited about twenty more years to bring a 'Too into my life.

It is extremely difficult, (did I say extremely difficult?) to give a 'Too what it needs at such a young age and throughout the teenage years. It's UNFAIR to the bird. While I wish we lived in a perfect world and could say that maybe this child can make it work, I have to be practical and say I doubt it.

Sorry to sound so brash. I'm not personally attacking anyone's input but I have experience when it comes to children raising 'Toos, because I was one.

Sammy suffered at the whims of my teenage years. I do not want to see this child's bird go through the same thing.

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Belongs to Sammy,

I know you feel your too suffered during your teen years, but otoh, what might have happened to Sammy if you hadn't been so dedicated. My point is that if the parents are supportive enough to pick up the slack when and if the child wanes in interest, it is *possible*. Ultimately, it is up to the family to decide if they can handle the responsibility.

Even if it was the parents who decided to take the too into their home, my personal feeling is that it should be a family decision. Our own child has been a part of every decision we've made about animal rescue. Even if she weren't a major player, she would still have to be involved in the sense that any animal we bring in the house takes time, money, and dedication, which means other family sacrifices have to be made.

I realize my child is a bit unusual. How many preteens will spend a day scrubbing cages and preparing meals for parrots and iguanas, take full care of her own ferret and her aunt's cat, her tarantulas and then want to volunteer at the zoo or aquarium to do more of the same? But, I don't think she could do what she does without full parental support. If she needs to go away on a Girl Scout event, etc., her father and I take over all the responsibilites that she has claimed as her own.

But, it's kind of cool to watch her do an animal presentation in front of other kids and explain why they don't want a cockatoo or an iguana as a pet. Not many kids would choose her lifestyle. But, it's a family thing for us.

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Jerry,

I think the best thing might be to get this child's parents email from him and email them about this situation to find out from their point of view what is going on. Did the petstore really sell the bird to a 12 year old or did the parents buy the bird as a family pet? Sometimes kids that young call any household pet their own, when really the parents are the one caring for it.

I would also give the parents the website link for them to look through, and ask them if they need help finding a possible new home for this young bird or a nearby shelter that could care for the bird properly.

I would definatly let them know that if they bought this as a pet for their 12 year old to care for, that they definatly need to take the reins because this is not the type of pet for a young child.

It is very mature for this child to ask for help. Sometimes situations seem more out of hand in a child's eyes, so that is why I would like to know what the parents say about everything.

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That no store should sell toos is a given, but no store should sell any animal to any child without the parent or guardian present.
I'm not sure why the presumption has been made that parents weren't present- they probably were and told the 12 year old that the bird was theirs.....

I'm glad the person reache out to you - I think they need a family conference to decide what needs to be done

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Exactly Brody.

That is why I suggested that the parents be contacted in this situation. Sometimes children will say a pet is their's, when really it is a family pet.

I highly doubt that a petstore would sell that type of an animal to a child. It would not be in their best interest because then that child could return the bird and get their money back, no questions asked because you can not enter a contract with a minor, which is what a purchase from a store is.

I am really hoping that the parents would not have choosen this bird as a pet for their 12 year old, but Petsmart does have a sign at their store saying that Toos are great for ages 14 and up I think. So that makes parents believe it to be true.

#130310 - 01/12/06 07:31 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry, I just want to let you know that my daughter is very serious if this other child needs someone his or her own age to talk to. She won't influence the child one way or another but could be a good support if the family decides to keep the too. I'd also be willing to talk to this family and help them in any way I can. For now, I need to go check on my Senegal. I just posted in the other section that she laid an egg after 15 years.

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2toos - no worries! It's difficult on the internet to sometimes tell what people mean since you can't really see anyone's face or hear their tone of voice or anything.

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Sometimes kids that young call any household pet their own, when really the parents are the one caring for it.
This is a good point! When my family got a dog when I was 13, I generally referred to her as "my" dog, and I did care for her, but my parents did help, since of course I couldn't afford all her vet bills/supplies or drive her to the vet and so on.

I have seen those PetsMart signs noting that large parrots are good for ages "14 and up" like they're toys or something. Most adults have no business owning a large parrot, let alone a teenager, and the majority of employees at big chain stores have no clue about caring for parrots. Sadly, they are often presented as being "easy care" pets, which they most certainly are not!

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Even if it was the parents who decided to take the too into their home, my personal feeling is that it should be a family decision. Our own child has been a part of every decision we've made about animal rescue. Even if she weren't a major player, she would still have to be involved in the sense that any animal we bring in the house takes time, money, and dedication, which means other family sacrifices have to be made.

I guess this is what I'm worried about. When Sammy came into my life, it was understood that he was a "family" bird for which we would all share responsibility, and it was a "family" decision. However, when my parents became too busy and/or too impatient to deal with this demanding creature, the primary care of Sammy fell onto my shoulders.

At 17+ I was certainly old enough to care for him, but the lack of my parents' support made it tremendously harder. This is a very real possibilty that I can foresee happening with this child and his family.

I realize my child is a bit unusual. How many preteens will spend a day scrubbing cages and preparing meals for parrots and iguanas, take full care of her own ferret and her aunt's cat, her tarantulas and then want to volunteer at the zoo or aquarium to do more of the same? But, I don't think she could do what she does without full parental support. If she needs to go away on a Girl Scout event, etc., her father and I take over all the responsibilites that she has claimed as her own.

You daughter sounds like a wonderful person! I would truly be honored to know her! I respect how you think things through when bringing a new responsibility into your life, and how you include your children in the process of keeping your animals healthy and happy.

But, it's kind of cool to watch her do an animal presentation in front of other kids and explain why they don't want a cockatoo or an iguana as a pet. Not many kids would choose her lifestyle. But, it's a family thing for us.

Very cool indeed. I wish you were my mom. laugh

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Hey Jerry did you talk to or e-mail the kid back yet. I am wondering If the kid or family has made up there minde on what to do with the 2.

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Belongs to Sammy,

Our daughter will always have our support. Thank you for your kind words, but I can't imagine being any other way. I'm very proud of my daughter, and your parents should be very proud of you -- especially in light of all you gave up to give Sammy a good life. I just hope that my dh and I can work it out so that our dd has a good life without any of the animals being compromised.

I was so proud of our dd, recently. You know what she did with her Christmas money? She bought her ferret a new cage. Now, like every preteen she has her moments, but I'm pretty proud.

Really

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I think that it is great that a young person would take the time to attempt to get help for his "too" I find it remarkable that they are sold as pets when clearly you are buying a family member, and like it or not some family members are more difficult than others. I am hoping that there is a parrot/bird association in the area that may be able to shed some perspective for this youngster. Education. Maybe as people who are owned by our "toos" we should be developing seminars etc.. to new bird owners in our area. Lots of times you can get a meeting room free if it is non-profit. just my 2cents

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I had my toos, Nicki and Tootsie around when i was 7-8 and got Chico our grey at 9. However, my family had the advantage that my mom was a stay at home mom back then. Now I'm homeschooled and a lot of the time Nicki is attacking the keyboard while i do exams and am writing up reports. I found being homeschooled a lot easier in taking care of the birds but i still have to worry about college. I think he/she should consider looking into rehoming it if he/she doesn't think that it could be taken care of well.

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I am a new too owner, but not new to the problems of trying to raise a baby that should be in the wild. I am very impressed that you care enough to ask for help. The only advice that I can give is keep reading and listening to all here that are trying to help you. You are on the right path. Please get your parents involved with this site and talk to other kids your age and share your knowledge of why too's are not suited for younger people. In the end if you can not do it, make sure that your too will go to a place where it will have a forever home with an experienced person.

#130318 - 07/07/06 07:33 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry - is it possible for you to share where this young person lives? It may easier to read and research information and alternatives if we know where he/she lives and is looking for them....???

Also, every comment I read in the thread was absolutely on track and really good advice.

Have you been able to communicate and get the parents involved? That question was asked previously but I did not see any response as to ongoing communication..... sorry, may have missed it...

As everyone knows, there are tons of good and bad websites and info out there and available and I know of a couple of good ones that I could share, if that is OK...

Before I would even be so presumtious to add to the good and sound advice that I've seen posted, I would have a few questions, if you don't mind answering...

Does this young person want to keep this bird?
How involved and responsible are the parents?
Do they know the life span of these avians?
Do they know what responsibilities they will have to take on when the young person is "off at school", "off to ball practice or other interests he/she develops in the 'growing up' phase?"
Care, diet, mess, destruction, vet bills, etc.?
Other kids, members, animals in the household?
Where does the bird live (meaning cage, size of cage, other areas)?
What kind of diet?
What kind of playtoys?

Just a few questions and there are many more.

As you and many others know, we were all able to redirect GalahGirl (thankfully before she went down that road) and got her parents involved. Good for her, she "looked before she leapt" and kept her parents in the "loop" so they knew as well.

I realize you indicated that if we didn't have anything productive to say, then simply don't post, but, I simply do not feel even simply qualified to "offer or suggest" any opinion/advice or otherwise without benefit of more information. I feel that I would be doing a disservice and that is not what we are here for.

All kudos to all of the advanced members who offerred really good and sound advice/recommendations.

If you could just "jump back in" and give a few more details, maybe we could research (I know I would be happy to) and simply pass along the knowledge (from them, not me) and see if it helps along the lines of what you originally asked.

Thanks and sorry for the wordy and (probably not too helpful response.) Looking for your reply.

Lori, Baby and entire extended family.

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There are kids whom, like Really's, just have a real gift with birds. My (now) twelve-year-old son has helped me foster-parent rescued birds since he was eight. He is primarily responsible for saving a severely neglected plucked-to-near-death cockatiel that we fostered for over 2 years. He was instrumental in finding her a fabulous permanent home when she finally was healthy and feathered again.

However, given that our household currently holds a similar schedule to that very brave young person's, we aren't fostering any birds period. Fostered birds usually need degrees of extra TLC from neglect that our healthy birds have been spared from. And, everyone here knows full well that cockatoos ideally need at least one stay-at-home companion. That 12-year-old was pragmatic enough to identify an unhealthy situation, and try to find a good home/sanctuary for the poor bird.

It's terrible and tragic that the petstore got away with that (or any) sale. Most likely the parents were there because what kid would be walking around with about 1000$+ worth of cash for a bird, cage, toys, food, etc?

In any case, I really admire everyone's advice. Maybe the kids could start their own bird forum if there isn't already one out there.

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Oh I am so saddened by this...

Is there a way for this young girl/boy to finding someone who could care for this 'too baby and still have a helping hand in raising it?Maybe someone else could home the bird and do the right things for it but this adoleceant could still have a big role in it's life.Gee if I was close I would do it.This is so tragic.

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#130321 - 07/11/06 03:03 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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If the kid or parents don't choose to let us know, there's no way to find out what happened over the past 6 months. The important thing is, to make ourselves available to help people near us (geographically) who sre in similar situations. I don't have the expertise to hand-feed any baby bird, but I do have some knowledge in caring for birds, and when neighbors or local people reach the point where they "can't give him/her good care", I try to be available. There are a couple of people around here who have birds they are going to need help with; I can see it coming, but they are not receptive to any advice yet.
It galls me not to be able legally to just take the critters, but I am waiting for them to get wise enough to know how much they don't know. :rolleyes: One is really resentful; another just thinks she'll be okay ("Oh, a U2 couldn't POSSIBLY be more difficult than a B&G" :rolleyes: ) but I plan to keep on being available to help out, birdsit, whatever. It seems to me to be the best way to help the birds, one at a time. . .


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Perhaps this 'too owner could advertise locally for a share-owner; someone who is home during the day, knows and loves birds and would love the company.

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I don't know how to post a message, so I am going to try this. I have a Moluccan Cockatoo. I just recieved him yesterday. He has been abused and neglected. He hisses if anyone goes near his cage.His chest feathers are almost non-existant. At first I thought it was due to stress, from what I was told,he was left in a garage and only fed when the people felt like it. My question is, How do I get him to start calming down to a point where he can climb on my arm. Like I said, he is terrified of people. I would just like a little input on this. Since he was given to me from a bad home, I don't want to give him up. I have read on this where most have given up, but I have already attached myself to him. I just need some input. thanks to all who can help.

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Hi Dell...I think the moderators will probably move this message for you...until they do I didn't want you to feel "deserted"...First off I would get him to a vet to make sure he is healthy, may as well do it now since he's stressed anyways...after this, the main thing is going to be patience, patience, patience...it may take years before he will consent to be on your arm frown It might not take that long, but be prepared cause it could...have you had birds before? What kind of diet is this birdie on ? How many people live with you & your bird? Other animals? If you could provide more info it will be easier to help you. smile

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Where does a 12 year old find the money to buy a cockatoo and a cage? Afterall, you can't do this with monopoly money. Any parent who lets a 12 year old have access to that much money and to spend it on his own is nuts !!!

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As having been someone who has worked in a couple of different pet stores, one being a small privately owned store that thankfully is out of business (I really don't like the tiny mall pet shops) and the other being a big chain store, I know that most places have the policy that you have to be 18 to buy a pet to protect the store from angry parents demanding refunds for pets they didn't want their kids to have.

I agree with the general consensus that the parents check out Mytoos, then the family sit down and talk about what they should do. At least they are trying to do what is best for the bird.

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Hello i am new here and wasd wondering something...I just got my bare-eyed 2 this past sunday...his name is Conner and he's very sweet..but extremely shy and skittish. I was wondering how i can calm his skittishness and get him from being so shy. when ever i try to pick him up..he flies away to the floor then comes up to me wanting to be picked up then. he also shys away from your hand when you go to pet him....but once I do get him on me...he's very loving ...gives kisses and all the cuddling i could want...I just need to know how to calm him and to get him to accept eve4ryone else in the house and not to be so skittish or shy...Please help!
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Just time - don't rush, let him explore you and your family and your home. Let him get comfortable and he will stop being shy and skidish. One day you will be one here asking how to stop him from doing ........whatever!! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> You can't force him to need you, like you, want you to touch him. Just be available and keep singing and reading and talking to him. And keep those treat handy.

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