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#130307 - 01/12/06 02:12 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry,

I think the best thing might be to get this child's parents email from him and email them about this situation to find out from their point of view what is going on. Did the petstore really sell the bird to a 12 year old or did the parents buy the bird as a family pet? Sometimes kids that young call any household pet their own, when really the parents are the one caring for it.

I would also give the parents the website link for them to look through, and ask them if they need help finding a possible new home for this young bird or a nearby shelter that could care for the bird properly.

I would definatly let them know that if they bought this as a pet for their 12 year old to care for, that they definatly need to take the reins because this is not the type of pet for a young child.

It is very mature for this child to ask for help. Sometimes situations seem more out of hand in a child's eyes, so that is why I would like to know what the parents say about everything.

#130308 - 01/12/06 03:46 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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That no store should sell toos is a given, but no store should sell any animal to any child without the parent or guardian present.
I'm not sure why the presumption has been made that parents weren't present- they probably were and told the 12 year old that the bird was theirs.....

I'm glad the person reache out to you - I think they need a family conference to decide what needs to be done

#130309 - 01/12/06 06:52 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Exactly Brody.

That is why I suggested that the parents be contacted in this situation. Sometimes children will say a pet is their's, when really it is a family pet.

I highly doubt that a petstore would sell that type of an animal to a child. It would not be in their best interest because then that child could return the bird and get their money back, no questions asked because you can not enter a contract with a minor, which is what a purchase from a store is.

I am really hoping that the parents would not have choosen this bird as a pet for their 12 year old, but Petsmart does have a sign at their store saying that Toos are great for ages 14 and up I think. So that makes parents believe it to be true.

#130310 - 01/12/06 07:31 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry, I just want to let you know that my daughter is very serious if this other child needs someone his or her own age to talk to. She won't influence the child one way or another but could be a good support if the family decides to keep the too. I'd also be willing to talk to this family and help them in any way I can. For now, I need to go check on my Senegal. I just posted in the other section that she laid an egg after 15 years.

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#130311 - 01/12/06 11:44 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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2toos - no worries! It's difficult on the internet to sometimes tell what people mean since you can't really see anyone's face or hear their tone of voice or anything.

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Sometimes kids that young call any household pet their own, when really the parents are the one caring for it.
This is a good point! When my family got a dog when I was 13, I generally referred to her as "my" dog, and I did care for her, but my parents did help, since of course I couldn't afford all her vet bills/supplies or drive her to the vet and so on.

I have seen those PetsMart signs noting that large parrots are good for ages "14 and up" like they're toys or something. Most adults have no business owning a large parrot, let alone a teenager, and the majority of employees at big chain stores have no clue about caring for parrots. Sadly, they are often presented as being "easy care" pets, which they most certainly are not!

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#130312 - 01/13/06 12:59 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Even if it was the parents who decided to take the too into their home, my personal feeling is that it should be a family decision. Our own child has been a part of every decision we've made about animal rescue. Even if she weren't a major player, she would still have to be involved in the sense that any animal we bring in the house takes time, money, and dedication, which means other family sacrifices have to be made.

I guess this is what I'm worried about. When Sammy came into my life, it was understood that he was a "family" bird for which we would all share responsibility, and it was a "family" decision. However, when my parents became too busy and/or too impatient to deal with this demanding creature, the primary care of Sammy fell onto my shoulders.

At 17+ I was certainly old enough to care for him, but the lack of my parents' support made it tremendously harder. This is a very real possibilty that I can foresee happening with this child and his family.

I realize my child is a bit unusual. How many preteens will spend a day scrubbing cages and preparing meals for parrots and iguanas, take full care of her own ferret and her aunt's cat, her tarantulas and then want to volunteer at the zoo or aquarium to do more of the same? But, I don't think she could do what she does without full parental support. If she needs to go away on a Girl Scout event, etc., her father and I take over all the responsibilites that she has claimed as her own.

You daughter sounds like a wonderful person! I would truly be honored to know her! I respect how you think things through when bringing a new responsibility into your life, and how you include your children in the process of keeping your animals healthy and happy.

But, it's kind of cool to watch her do an animal presentation in front of other kids and explain why they don't want a cockatoo or an iguana as a pet. Not many kids would choose her lifestyle. But, it's a family thing for us.

Very cool indeed. I wish you were my mom. laugh

#130313 - 01/13/06 02:54 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Hey Jerry did you talk to or e-mail the kid back yet. I am wondering If the kid or family has made up there minde on what to do with the 2.

#130314 - 01/13/06 05:02 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Belongs to Sammy,

Our daughter will always have our support. Thank you for your kind words, but I can't imagine being any other way. I'm very proud of my daughter, and your parents should be very proud of you -- especially in light of all you gave up to give Sammy a good life. I just hope that my dh and I can work it out so that our dd has a good life without any of the animals being compromised.

I was so proud of our dd, recently. You know what she did with her Christmas money? She bought her ferret a new cage. Now, like every preteen she has her moments, but I'm pretty proud.

Really

#130315 - 05/22/06 08:05 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I think that it is great that a young person would take the time to attempt to get help for his "too" I find it remarkable that they are sold as pets when clearly you are buying a family member, and like it or not some family members are more difficult than others. I am hoping that there is a parrot/bird association in the area that may be able to shed some perspective for this youngster. Education. Maybe as people who are owned by our "toos" we should be developing seminars etc.. to new bird owners in our area. Lots of times you can get a meeting room free if it is non-profit. just my 2cents

#130316 - 05/22/06 09:57 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I had my toos, Nicki and Tootsie around when i was 7-8 and got Chico our grey at 9. However, my family had the advantage that my mom was a stay at home mom back then. Now I'm homeschooled and a lot of the time Nicki is attacking the keyboard while i do exams and am writing up reports. I found being homeschooled a lot easier in taking care of the birds but i still have to worry about college. I think he/she should consider looking into rehoming it if he/she doesn't think that it could be taken care of well.

#130317 - 07/06/06 02:38 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I am a new too owner, but not new to the problems of trying to raise a baby that should be in the wild. I am very impressed that you care enough to ask for help. The only advice that I can give is keep reading and listening to all here that are trying to help you. You are on the right path. Please get your parents involved with this site and talk to other kids your age and share your knowledge of why too's are not suited for younger people. In the end if you can not do it, make sure that your too will go to a place where it will have a forever home with an experienced person.

#130318 - 07/07/06 07:33 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Jerry - is it possible for you to share where this young person lives? It may easier to read and research information and alternatives if we know where he/she lives and is looking for them....???

Also, every comment I read in the thread was absolutely on track and really good advice.

Have you been able to communicate and get the parents involved? That question was asked previously but I did not see any response as to ongoing communication..... sorry, may have missed it...

As everyone knows, there are tons of good and bad websites and info out there and available and I know of a couple of good ones that I could share, if that is OK...

Before I would even be so presumtious to add to the good and sound advice that I've seen posted, I would have a few questions, if you don't mind answering...

Does this young person want to keep this bird?
How involved and responsible are the parents?
Do they know the life span of these avians?
Do they know what responsibilities they will have to take on when the young person is "off at school", "off to ball practice or other interests he/she develops in the 'growing up' phase?"
Care, diet, mess, destruction, vet bills, etc.?
Other kids, members, animals in the household?
Where does the bird live (meaning cage, size of cage, other areas)?
What kind of diet?
What kind of playtoys?

Just a few questions and there are many more.

As you and many others know, we were all able to redirect GalahGirl (thankfully before she went down that road) and got her parents involved. Good for her, she "looked before she leapt" and kept her parents in the "loop" so they knew as well.

I realize you indicated that if we didn't have anything productive to say, then simply don't post, but, I simply do not feel even simply qualified to "offer or suggest" any opinion/advice or otherwise without benefit of more information. I feel that I would be doing a disservice and that is not what we are here for.

All kudos to all of the advanced members who offerred really good and sound advice/recommendations.

If you could just "jump back in" and give a few more details, maybe we could research (I know I would be happy to) and simply pass along the knowledge (from them, not me) and see if it helps along the lines of what you originally asked.

Thanks and sorry for the wordy and (probably not too helpful response.) Looking for your reply.

Lori, Baby and entire extended family.

#130319 - 07/08/06 12:30 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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There are kids whom, like Really's, just have a real gift with birds. My (now) twelve-year-old son has helped me foster-parent rescued birds since he was eight. He is primarily responsible for saving a severely neglected plucked-to-near-death cockatiel that we fostered for over 2 years. He was instrumental in finding her a fabulous permanent home when she finally was healthy and feathered again.

However, given that our household currently holds a similar schedule to that very brave young person's, we aren't fostering any birds period. Fostered birds usually need degrees of extra TLC from neglect that our healthy birds have been spared from. And, everyone here knows full well that cockatoos ideally need at least one stay-at-home companion. That 12-year-old was pragmatic enough to identify an unhealthy situation, and try to find a good home/sanctuary for the poor bird.

It's terrible and tragic that the petstore got away with that (or any) sale. Most likely the parents were there because what kid would be walking around with about 1000$+ worth of cash for a bird, cage, toys, food, etc?

In any case, I really admire everyone's advice. Maybe the kids could start their own bird forum if there isn't already one out there.

#130320 - 07/08/06 07:24 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Oh I am so saddened by this...

Is there a way for this young girl/boy to finding someone who could care for this 'too baby and still have a helping hand in raising it?Maybe someone else could home the bird and do the right things for it but this adoleceant could still have a big role in it's life.Gee if I was close I would do it.This is so tragic.

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#130321 - 07/11/06 03:03 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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If the kid or parents don't choose to let us know, there's no way to find out what happened over the past 6 months. The important thing is, to make ourselves available to help people near us (geographically) who sre in similar situations. I don't have the expertise to hand-feed any baby bird, but I do have some knowledge in caring for birds, and when neighbors or local people reach the point where they "can't give him/her good care", I try to be available. There are a couple of people around here who have birds they are going to need help with; I can see it coming, but they are not receptive to any advice yet.
It galls me not to be able legally to just take the critters, but I am waiting for them to get wise enough to know how much they don't know. :rolleyes: One is really resentful; another just thinks she'll be okay ("Oh, a U2 couldn't POSSIBLY be more difficult than a B&G" :rolleyes: ) but I plan to keep on being available to help out, birdsit, whatever. It seems to me to be the best way to help the birds, one at a time. . .


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#130322 - 07/29/06 01:25 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Perhaps this 'too owner could advertise locally for a share-owner; someone who is home during the day, knows and loves birds and would love the company.

#130323 - 07/30/06 11:35 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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I don't know how to post a message, so I am going to try this. I have a Moluccan Cockatoo. I just recieved him yesterday. He has been abused and neglected. He hisses if anyone goes near his cage.His chest feathers are almost non-existant. At first I thought it was due to stress, from what I was told,he was left in a garage and only fed when the people felt like it. My question is, How do I get him to start calming down to a point where he can climb on my arm. Like I said, he is terrified of people. I would just like a little input on this. Since he was given to me from a bad home, I don't want to give him up. I have read on this where most have given up, but I have already attached myself to him. I just need some input. thanks to all who can help.

#130324 - 07/31/06 03:20 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Hi Dell...I think the moderators will probably move this message for you...until they do I didn't want you to feel "deserted"...First off I would get him to a vet to make sure he is healthy, may as well do it now since he's stressed anyways...after this, the main thing is going to be patience, patience, patience...it may take years before he will consent to be on your arm frown It might not take that long, but be prepared cause it could...have you had birds before? What kind of diet is this birdie on ? How many people live with you & your bird? Other animals? If you could provide more info it will be easier to help you. smile

#130325 - 07/31/06 07:26 AM Re: Need your kind input...  
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Where does a 12 year old find the money to buy a cockatoo and a cage? Afterall, you can't do this with monopoly money. Any parent who lets a 12 year old have access to that much money and to spend it on his own is nuts !!!

#130326 - 08/01/06 06:32 PM Re: Need your kind input...  
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As having been someone who has worked in a couple of different pet stores, one being a small privately owned store that thankfully is out of business (I really don't like the tiny mall pet shops) and the other being a big chain store, I know that most places have the policy that you have to be 18 to buy a pet to protect the store from angry parents demanding refunds for pets they didn't want their kids to have.

I agree with the general consensus that the parents check out Mytoos, then the family sit down and talk about what they should do. At least they are trying to do what is best for the bird.

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