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#130247 - 10/10/04 10:38 PM Leaner, meaner..  
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Yes I know.. strange choice of words. Anyway..

I've removed a couple of forums because I think we're spending too much time on people and not enough time on our reason for being here.. *BIRDS.

I would highly suggest that people use the Search Engine first. We have answered almost every question in spades at one time or another. I know that spending a little extra time searching can be a pain, but along the way you will pick up other valuable information you can use during your search.

Again, so there's no mistake: We are anti breeder and anti bird sales. We are all for rescue and we will NOT argue these points on this messageboard.

Have a great day. smile

#130248 - 10/16/04 06:25 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Is there any organization or people that you know of who are involved in the rehab and return to the wild some of the wild caught birds?

#130249 - 10/21/04 07:15 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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I agree with you, everyone should do alot more research on line, go into as many things that you can find on birds, parrots. When I first decided that I wanted a parrot, I found a bird chat room, They all were very helpful and explained alot of things to me. I did research for about 6 mos prior to getting my conure. However, being a first time bird mom, I did not know any better, I purchased my conure from a bird store. I feel in love with him. About a year later I aquired my red lored amazon. Someone was looking for a home for him as they no longer could keep him. I told them that I would like to take him, however that I would not purchase him, if he wanted him to have a good home I would take him. Tibbles has been with me now 2 yrs. I was also aquired a goffin, same thing, his owners had gotten him from his first home where he was being abused, they felt sorry for him so they took him. They kept him for 2 years, the couple was having problems, Mango did not like the wife, her husband did not want to part with him, he had no choice, so he had been looking for a real good home for him, "He told his wife that he did not want him to go to just anyone", This is a relative of my daughters, she told them that I would like to have him. Mango has been with me now just a year. He is such a good goffin. I could not ask for a better cockatoo. I always said that I would never purchase another bird, when there are so many out there that need a home, people buy them when they are small and cute, when they begin to get into there terrible 2 s they want to get rid of them. About a month ago I got another citron, he is so sweet, yes to all want to know yes all of them are noises, loud and can be demanding, I knew this before I made a commitment, for the record, I am single, I do work, my only daughter is married, therefore I am alone, for me my **** are my kids, I can not tell anyone the enjoyment they bring me, and I love to cook for them and make good things for them, As soon as I get home everyone is out of there cage, I made a commitment to them, have no reasons to want to travel or go anywhere, they are my life. Anyone looking for a bird, rescue is the answer. There are to many out there that needs a home.

#130250 - 10/29/04 01:35 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  

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I noticed that you did take away the adoption sections of this forum, and may I ask you why?

Adoption is something that you say you're pro for, so why take it away? Do you think it deals more with people than birds, or that it's too much work? I notice you didnt take away the "Chat About Anything" section, and there people can talk about whatever they please.

Please bring back the adoption boards, you might not realize it...but people and their birds may really need it someday, and instead of being able to post it here they'd put it in a newspaper or something where people who really knew nothing would get to them.

#130251 - 10/29/04 01:49 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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I agree, Jerry... I see a disturbing trend with uneducated..short time too owners ( I prefer to call them keepers, cause we really cant own what isnt ours in the first place)

Im worried to see that people who may not have the knowlege, and that I know are well meaning, may not perhaps have the most experience to help other people place their birds. ...and if we open up the board to these "help givers" that the birds will get lost in the shuffle.

Another home is another home, but if we can keep it to a minimum that really is in the best interest of the birds. There are plenty of people here that are LONG TIME MEMBERS that would step forward to help if asked. Unfortunatly, we can never replace those that left...they are irreplaceable in my view...but they wouldnt want birds placed in a unsuitable home just becouse they are not here.
In my view, no posting for adoption, foster, ect...or get a few together that will assist, and let me clarify one detial...long term members are here for the long haul...new members seem to come and go. I think its best for the board if only long term members are considered for this job...and it is a job...Ive only been here a year and I dont consider myself qualified.

#130252 - 10/31/04 12:38 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  

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Hey Jerry

When you say "leaner, meaner" do you mean to the birds? I came forward to let you know of the danger of putting the adoption forum "out of business," and it came back. Then Liv asked who the moderator was. Apparently I can see now that you put "no one." I replied that I would help in any way that I can. If I see correctly, there are at least two moderators here. You say you're for the birds, yet you put no one as a moderator for the adoption forum. Is this your way of silently pouting?

You also put that you lost moderators, therefore the adoption forum was taken down. I'm sure if you took the time to find good people on this board and asked in a civilized manner if they'd be moderators that they would help out. Or is there really something else on your mind other than the care of birds?

I don't know whats happened to this board, but it obviously can't be the home it used to be for so many of us. You used to put so much time forth, and stood for those birds like a stubbord cow in the road. Did you decide to go graze in the grass?

I am personally beginning to see a reason why those other people may have left. Everyone that's confronted you so far has been banned, brushed off, or the topic deleted. You can't skirt around the subject forever. Sometimes you have to face problems, it's called life.

#130253 - 10/31/04 03:39 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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AprilLuvsToos,

I find your remarks insulting. Nothing for which mytoos stands for has changed. Except that some of its members have left. Everyone is welcome to come and go as they please. If you feel so strongly that this board is a shadow of its former self then leave.

As for the adoption board, don't flatter yourself. The resurrection was in the works already. What brought it to fruition was that one of the members inquired about being able to rehome their bird. As was stated in another topic all of the mytoos moderators are available for moderation. Just because no specific member is listed does not mean that it will be left to fend for itself. In actuality it was simply an oversight of mine that no one was listed.

When you come into someone's home it is common courtesy that you don't insult the way they live. If you don't like the way they live then don't go back. Mytoos is Jerry's home. If you don't like it here then leave. It doesn't matter how long you have been a member. This goes for all.

Also were do you get off chastising Jerry for the amount of time he spends here or anywhere else. He donates his time as all of us do. He has been at this for years, and if he needs a bit of a break who is anyone to criticize him for taking one.

Anyone that wants to stay is encouraged to do so. But if you want to leave then go ahead and leave. Don't let the door hit you in the rear.

#130254 - 10/31/04 06:15 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  

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I am one of the newcomers (joined Oct 12, owned birds since 84)and would like to comment on the Adoption Forum.
Personally,I like the fact that this board has an Adoption forum. By doing so, people wishing to find homes for their birds, can do so under this type of venue. It will also help people who live in areas where homeless parrots are a rarity, to find one wishing a home. There are so many birds who need a home but sometimes due to demographics- their voices are not heard by those wishing to adopt. For example, I live in small rural Canadian town. This area, is devoid of shelters ect and therefore, the accessibity of finding an adoption shelter is not existant. There are 2 facilities in Ontario, but they are hours away.
I am hoping that through this forum, I might come across someone within my area that would like to adopt out their bird.
I am aware of the numerous facilities that exist in the States. But I am dubious about bringing a bird across due to the isolation these birds find themselves in until deemed fit.
Maybe, this forum can bring forth other Canadians that want to outdopt their bird.
Thanks to those working this forum.

#130255 - 11/01/04 01:18 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Or is there really something else on your mind other than the care of birds?
Well, I've been at this 24/7 for almost 7 years now. I've never made a penny and never expected to. I have had some personal issues this past year that have had me pretty busy in other areas.
( It happens )

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You used to put so much time forth, and stood for those birds like a stubbord cow in the road. Did you decide to go graze in the grass?
I still stand exactly where I always have. But I saw the board evolving in the wrong direction: There is NO reason to alienate new people who may be ignorant of bird care. We were starting to act like a 90 pound spider waiting for it's next victim. "Some" of us couldn't wait to jump their ass and read them the riot act. If our only purpose was to be known as the "nasty bunch", we were succeeding. So what was left as membership? The choir that's all. We were preaching to the choir and what's the point in that?? We need to preach to the ignorant newbies, and not in such a way that the only thing they take away from this place is disgust as we run them off with ridicule.

There's a thing called "mob mentality" and it was growing here. Seems like some people tried to out-do others in nastiness. As you know, I myself can get pretty nasty when I want to, but being nasty on any regular basis does nothing but get you a bad reputation. Now (it seems) I'm considered too nice! No, I'll still cut you down if you deserve it, but I'll attempt to do it in a civilized manner first. After that, I cant promise you anything.

For the last 3 years or so I've had many many more people leave the board due to our members being too rude, as I have for being "too nice". This is an ongoing problem that will never solve itself, and so I must make a judgment call. But let me say this: As I have nothing to lose.. and nothing to gain by being here whatsoever... I really don't give a rats ass what anybody thinks. You armchair quarterbacks try sitting in my place for 7 years and you'd feel the same way. I'm not here to make friends or impress anybody. I don't like people anyway. Birds are the only thing that matters to me... website or no website. But I WONT have this board turn into a constant bickering - fighting -nasty - time wasting messageboard like most I see out there. The people who leave here are only hurting the birds.... not me. I'll always be about the birds an not about "personality differences" or other "human weaknesses". And you know... it's a lot less time wasting to remove a "problem" than it is to argue with it for days on end. This leaves more time for the entire point of this board: Birds... not bashing.

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Okay Michael,

I addressed Jerry and Jerry only. If I was looking for your input then I probably would have had the decency to ask. I'm happy that you find yourself fit to defend what you feel is threatened, but please keep it to yourself when you're not addressed.

Jerry,

Thank you for answering my questions, and I didnt realize I came off as nasty as you may have thought. All I needed was an answer from you, and that's what I received.

#130257 - 11/01/04 01:45 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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This is the attitude I'm talking about. You will address the moderators as though you were addressing me. They ARE me when I'm not available. They CAN answer for me if they feel the need. I hope you understand this.

#130258 - 11/01/04 01:50 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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I think we need to get past all the what was's and concentrate on helping eachother and new members with thier birds. That's what I hang around for. If there is the slightest chance that I can offer any experiences to help someone's bird or offer comfort and support, that's what I want to do. It's not my board or my choice on how it's run or what topics are here or not here. I took in an angry abused cockatoo once and I have issues with another, if any of those experiences can help anyone, that's why I keep checking in.

#130259 - 11/01/04 02:15 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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hear here- Lori (which hear is it anyways?)
I will keep visiting mytoos as long as I may be useful.

If I have a message just for one person I used to use the pm feature- I dunno how to to deal with that now- urggg some of you may see a new me now that I think about it.

I have always though of the moderators as extensions of jerry though and would expect them to respond for him as best they could.

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#130260 - 11/02/04 12:54 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Sometimes a Group of People can become SO engrossed in each other and each other's birds and "Comfortable" they do feel the Board is theirs....
New people are looked upon as people to be "seen but not heard" unless spoken to by the people who who believe this is THEIR Board because they have been here SO long..and know each other SO well and on a lot of Chat Boards this probably works just like a nice little "click of Mother's Club Ladies....but hey wait a minute Isn't this board a great place to learn how to care for Birds? New people are the ones needing to ask questions and find about all the things relating to Not Breeding Cockatoos and Not Buying Babies.
O.K. me saying what I think here and probably getting myself into hot water but what the heck.
New people wanting to learn (heaps of great older members willing and politely willing to teach) meaning time frame for membership not age are the ones who will in the long run do more for what this Board is all about won't they? and not necessarily just SOME Members who have been here for yonks wanting to "keep the board" as it has always been and not really wanting change! but I suppose there are the two groups the older ones "who know most there is to know about birds" and the newbys who NEED to become members and ask and ask questions to help the Birds!! as this seems to be the Purpose of this Board and the great work under difficult circumstances and clashes by Jerry.
It is so very nice to see Moderators who do not become "jaded" and come across as mean! but like all of us some are just right for a job while others can like "The Power" On saying that it has to be a thankless job and who can please all of the people all of the time.
Maybe this note will never see the light of day and be turfed in the bin before I can add G'day mate lol but having a say is the Democaratic way isn't it?

#130261 - 11/02/04 01:07 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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We shouldn't forget that everyone has something to contribute regardless of how long they have had birds. This is also true in regards to the length of time one has been a member. I suspect that new members can add a fresh perspective for us jaded "old timers" (not that I'm one of them wink .

#130262 - 11/02/04 01:15 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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So very right Michael and we are all here to be helped or to help. I could never imagine you being Jaded either. You seem to be very "laid back" and I have never seen you impolite to anyone. Ar yes "A man of few words" but those words always seem to be relevant!

#130263 - 02/10/05 01:58 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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I wonder how many people are turned off posting on your forum due to the negativity and bickering. I live in Austraila on the other side of the world that is how far the internet spreads. You have to understand there are going to be many different people and cultures that visit. How far is your information travelling when you create all these barriers. Just because your american does not mean you have to act like one.

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Perhaps if you dont like the site or the way its managed....you simply shouldnt come here, us being American and everything.

#130265 - 02/10/05 03:34 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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What barriers are you referring to?

#130266 - 02/10/05 03:40 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Gee MsBee Im a new member and have found no barriers since coming here. All I have found are a bunch of helpful caring people. Casper moved in with us the beginning of Dec. My Avian vet suggested I check out the site. What a life saver. The folks here have helped Casper and I tremendously. My hat is off to Jerry, Michael, Charlie and the other moderators for their hard work. Also to all the members new and old who have been so helpful and friendly. Thanks Nancy


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MSB325: Personally I think that you have alot of nerve stating that "Just because you are an American doesn't mean that you have to act like one"!!!! That is a very uncalled for comment...we have members of this board from all over the world, and yes, Jerry is American and so are many others on this board....if you have a problem with that I would highly suggest that you find a cockatoo site that is primaraly Ausie!!!! I think that you owe Jerry and other PROUD AMERICANS on this site an apology.
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#130268 - 02/10/05 03:56 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Nancy, I find it very interesting that you heard about Mytoos from your avian vet. That is some tribute. Is this something that happens often?

#130269 - 02/10/05 06:28 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Marie I'm not sure of other vets, but mine in MA suggests it to all new bird families. This vet takes in Avian residents/interns from Tufts Vet School. Im not sure what you would call them. They are already vets but are specializing in Avian Vet Med. I have been very impressed with then so far. Nancy


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#130270 - 02/10/05 07:04 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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Thank-you Phyl, brody, lori and Michael for your warm comments about "newbies" for I am one myself! I find this site very knowlegdable (spelling) about Too's and I am a NEWBIE at that also, only having Buster for 2-3 months now. I have done HOARDS of research on the animal and intensive studying before I adopted him! I live in a small town and there are not many Too owners...a few African Grey's though but primarely HORSES AND COWS!..so I have come here to discuss issues, problems and amazing moments I have with my new found partner.
I find that I am always coming on to find out what others have to say, and to see what more I can learn from 'hands on' experienced folk such as yourselves!
Thank you for making me feel welcome!

#130271 - 02/10/05 09:04 PM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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msbee325,

I have two basic beliefs regarding the pet trade

1. The only good breeder is an ex-breeder.
2. The only good pet store is one that doesn't sell pets.

This has nothing to do with being American or any other nationality. You will find people all over the world that share these same beliefs.

If you find this too much to stomach then go find a site that is more to your liking. There is no point debating the previous two points because if you don't get it there is nothing that I or anyone else is going to say to convince you.

People (regardless of nationality) can justify almost anything when their livelihood depends on it, even when other alternatives to that livelihood exist.

I know we have citizens in my counter (USA) that can give being American a bad name. However I'm sure that every country has citizens that do the same for their country.

If I'm rude at times, well tuff. My primary reason for being here is not to make friends or to make people feel good. My primary reason for being here is to do what I can to minimize the suffering that breeders and pet stores continue to create.

If I do make some friends all the better.

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HUH? Am I missing something or WHAT?????? confused What has "Being American but not acting like an American" got to do with birds?????? confused Geez, what is the Trolls on the board week???? :rolleyes:

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Our avian vet not only recoommends this site, but has a live link to it on his own web site.

#130274 - 02/11/05 12:25 AM Re: Leaner, meaner..  
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didn't we go through all this sh*t a couple of months ago? why rake it up again? you can't stereo type people for their nationality but if you're gonna... wouldn't that make you a blonde airhead that surfs, swigs beer and puts another shrimp on the barbie, while constantly calling everyone dude or mate? ( no offence richard oz ya know we love ya laugh ) if you don't like us (and no i'm not american ) and what we stand for and against it's simple. sod off mad

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laugh it just really winds me up. jerry and the mods work there asses off for these birds and to educate us measley humans as to what it's really like for our birds. and they do it all for nothing. we probably won't reap the benefits in our lifetime but with a good foundation and educating our kids they could achieve what we can't. a stop to breeding. and then you get some wise ass that digs up muck from months ago. it was horrible then and it's horrible now. let's just hope msbee or whatever they call themselves have gone back under their rock to let us that give a damn try and make things right.

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