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#126521 - 06/07/04 04:47 AM What would you have told him?  
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What would your response have been if you ran/run a rescue? This is an E-mail I received:

I am a 38 year old male who doesnt drink or
smoke. I am semi retired and help manage eBays
finance department. I just bought a large home
and love keeping exotic birds for pets to include
larger...Macaws, etc. I would love to adopt any
birds you have and will provide an outstanding
life to them with awesome care. I will pay any
adoption fees and will pick up or pay all
shipping. Waiting for your response

#126522 - 06/07/04 04:49 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Although it sounds well intentioned something about that e-mail would make me feel ill at ease. I don't know how i'd respond since I couldn't necessarily find fault with any of it. Have you responded yet?
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#126523 - 06/07/04 04:59 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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I would wonder if her were a breeder. But I will say that just because someone doesn't necessarily agree with the perspecitve that parrots don't make good pets doesn't mean they can't provide a good home. I guess it all depends on how picky you personally are and how important adopting out birds is for you. If space at your rescue isn't an issue I would definetly take my time and ask for the requisite references and make darn well sure that he's not going to be breeding any birds he adopts.

#126524 - 06/07/04 05:27 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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I would find out how many he has already, how long he's had them and so on and so on. He'll adopt any birds you have? Does that mean any species or he wants them all? I would be leary of his intentions but of course allow him an opportunity to give you more details about his lifestyle and ability to care for more large birds.

#126525 - 06/07/04 07:58 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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To me, it sounds like he's trying WAY too hard. What he DID mention (Not a smoker, large home, etc) may all seem well and good; but what about the REALLY important things? How long has he been researching large parrots? How long has he been interested in a large bird? Does he have any? How long has he had them? Why does he want a large parrot? Etc.

It sort of seems to me like he's compensating for the things he didn't bring up, with OTHER nice, fluffy things.

However, I could be totally wrong and he could just think that's what he's supposed to bring up. Does he live near the rescue? If he does, do a home check. It's up to you if you'd like to ship your rescued birds out of state, but if in the end you do, I would DEFINITELY find somebody in that area whom you trust, and have them do a home check for you.

What would *I* say to him? I'd ask him some of the questions mentioned, and ask him how he'd feel about a home check. smile

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#126526 - 06/07/04 12:36 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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My response is PM to all 5 of the above people.

Update: Okay - let's just say I'm naturally a skeptic. And at the moment I'm writing final exams, so I'm kind of in a "testy" mood and mode, shall we say? laugh

#126527 - 06/07/04 01:01 PM Re: What would you have told him?  

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Ladyhawk!!! Don't leave us hanging. I read all the posts and I'm curious to know what you think.

We have an active thread here on hoarders that Mona started. If you read the definitions it makes you wonder about this one. He has no questions about the condition of the birds, how many there are, what kind, what if any illnesses, ages, etc. He just wants them all. I would be very careful about this one.

#126528 - 06/07/04 04:29 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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I had much the same thought as you guys and I answered his e-mail before I even posted here, so I answered him with the following:
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I do not ship birds and based solely on what was said in your e-mail, I would not adopt to you.
Alison
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These are the two responses he made to my reply:
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You really should atleast make an attempt to communicate and be civil. If your gonna place an adoption ad you should make an effort to find the best homes.
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What is the name of your adoption agency or
shelter? I would like to speak with a
professional regarding your unacceptable
response.
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These replies from him are what prompted me to ask you all what you would have told him. I don't think my reply was unacceptable, not the nicest response I could have given, but then anyone saying "any birds you have and any fee" along with the mention of ebay and shipping, doesn't really rate a more detailed response. He sounds like he is looking for either a few 'show pieces' or birds to sell on ebay, since he does manage their account.

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Being a skeptic myself...

If it sounds too good to be true... it usually is.

-38 yr old male - semi retired (hmmm, has plenty of time to spend with the birds and must be financially secure - birds are expensive you know)

-Doesn't drink or smoke (of course, perfect!)

-Large home for large birds (wow... this must mean big cages, play gyms, etc...)

-I would love to adopt any birds you have and will provide an outstanding life to them with awesome care. (Doesnt take long to know that this website/forum wouldn't accept anything other... where is the substanance in "outstanding life" and "awesome care"? What does this mean mister?)

-SHIPPING? (bells and whistles just hit the volume of my B&G when he is acting out! He just failed the exam.)

I think that the adoption form questionnaire has some great questions... picking out some of those would be a good way to respond.

My 2 cents.

#126530 - 06/07/04 06:49 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Sounds like someone I wouldn't rule out. Maybe talking to him more in depth and finding out details. It is possible tat he feels he is helping birds be trying to adopt some intstead of buying. I would be inclined to think he has good intentions but just needs to know more facts.

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Alison,

Do you have a standardized form for inquiring people to fill out prior to adopting? Something that may perhaps give you a better idea of who the people are who are requesting to adopt from you. Their life status, intention, income, reasons for adopting, how many pets they have had in the past, what happened to them, is this the first bird, etc. Maybe he was expecting more questions or more information. I don't know.

#126532 - 06/07/04 08:55 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Alison, my gut tells me you did the right thing. Perhaps he was just a poor communicator. But then again his reaction indicates a shallow person who doesn't care about the bird's welfare... just getting them.
"I would like to speak with a
professional regarding your unacceptable
response." hahahahaha now that DOES make me laugh. Who does he think he's going to talk to? What does he think he'll accomplish. Oh, wait, I forgot he's such a very important person I'm sure his clout could shut you down. :rolleyes: What do I say? HIT THE ROAD, JACK!!!! :p I'm sorry I really hate arrogant people. A private organization's adoption policies are just that... private.

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If he's not willing to abide by your policy then I say let him go. To me he sounds awkward, and like others have said he's trying way too hard. It's almost like he's desperate, and it also sounds like he could be a possible bird hoarder (to me anyway.) I would consider if he was willing to drive and pick up the bird(s), send pictures of his cages (toys, gyms, food, etc.), and go more in depth of his history with birds.

#126534 - 06/07/04 10:32 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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To answer the questions about an adoption form, Yes, I do have a standard form I use, however, I went and read the Mytoos form and would like to incorporate some of it into my form (if its okay).

Some of you think that this guy may be on the level, but I just got a bad feeling when I read his email. He lists absolutely NO referral to any species that he has had experience with, he says "any birds" not a specific species. Who brings in multiple, problem birds (large birds) into a new home all at the same time? The fact that it's a plural 'birds' and he works for e-bay, is enough to raise suspicion. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but even his responses to my reply are strange. Who does he think he's gonna call, and what does he think that will do. I have the right to refuse an adoption, based on nothing but instinct if necessary. I've dealt with alot of people, as I know many of you have too, thats why I asked all your inputs on this. In the end, it's about the birds and what I feel is an appropriate, safe home for them, and this guy gave me a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak. Thank you to all of you responding to this. Your input has helped alot.

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When in doubt consider the pros and cons. If you accept him and he turns out to be a bad bird person it's the bird in jeapordy. If you say no you have a safe bird and a possible bad guy off your hands.

#126536 - 06/07/04 11:23 PM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Alison:
For what it is worth, I always say go with your intuition. If it doesn't feel right it probrably isn't. You were the one who received his inquiry so your feelings are what are important. Based upon his response I would guess you were right. Unfortunately, I am sure that this guy will get some birds from somewhere.

#126537 - 06/08/04 02:03 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Alison, good for you for being proactive. This guy may have good intentions, but just misinformed. What's the saying...the way to (bird)Hell is paved with good intentions?

#126538 - 06/08/04 03:41 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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Agree he sounds suspicious....like someone who is either intending to breed or sell on the birds he is so very kindly volunteering to adopt and keep forever. Recommend sending him a large stuffed toy parrot in a wingabago and charging him shipping. (Didnt see him specify it had to be a LIVE parrot anywhere...)db

#126539 - 06/08/04 03:59 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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LMAO db, that is so funny <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> ! Thanks, I needed a laugh right about now.

#126540 - 06/08/04 06:03 AM Re: What would you have told him?  
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db- I like the way you think! One must learn to pay attention to details! laugh I think the guy's name is Adam Henry.

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