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#119837 - 12/16/06 06:28 AM Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I need to talk to the Member that lives in Maryland, Fallston area. He recommended Fallston Vet to me for my U2 a year ago. I think his first name was Jason. My 22 year old U2 has prolapsed for a year now. Nothing medically is working. He gave me some suggestions and I need to contact him so I can discuss my toos future. If any member can help me I would be grateful.
Thanks Kathy

#119838 - 12/16/06 07:48 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I'm sorry for your trouble, but what is "Prolapsed", I do ever remember hearing of that.. Thanks in advance.

#119839 - 12/16/06 05:34 PM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Prolapse is a condition where part of the intestine or oviduct protrudes from the bird's cloaca (vent area.)

There are a number of potential causes for this condition and a number of possible solutions depending on the cause. Egg binding can be a cause, and remember egg binding is not simply the physical presence of an egg, it is the deficiency of calcium in the blood and tissues. Therefore it may occur any time before, during or immediately after egg laying. Even when adequate Calcium is available, it may still occur because the amount of calcium required for egg shell production is greater than the amount of Calcium a bird can eat in a 24hr period.

Because egg binding is really hypocalcaemia (low blood calcium) all muscles of the body become weak and contract poorly. The uterus cannot contract enough to deliver the egg, the cloacal sphincter muscles may be too weak to hold close and the general body muscles may not be burning energy to keep the bird warm - hence they go into shock. Therefore any bird with a cloacal prolapse should be kept warm and given calcium in some form to hopefully increase cloacal muscle tone.

Cloacal prolapse is also contributed to by uterine or cloacal infection that makes the area irritated and causes straining, resulting in expulsion of the cloaca. Therefore it is standard to give these birds antibiotics in case of infection. If a prolapse is exposed to the air for any length of time, infection is almost certain to develop, and with time the tissue dries out which causes further irritation and more straining -end result bigger prolapse.

In many cases, the prolapse will not resolve and treatment becomes Veterinary in nature with surgery the only option. A purse string suture may be placed around the vent under general anesthesia to keep things inside. But this also often fails. If the bird is a pet, the best option is desexing to remove the swollen uterus and if necessary a procedure called cloacapexy to stitch the cloaca back inside the body. These procedures are quite successful.

And no, I am not that smart.. I copied and pasted. smile KIm

#119840 - 12/16/06 08:20 PM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I am not sure which vet is up there, but if Dana from TooHaven shows up and sees this she has dealt with this with one of her rescues, where surgery didn't work either.

Tammy

#119841 - 12/16/06 08:31 PM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Thank you very much, I had searched and found nothing on it. I have 2 femal Cockatiels I've had around 12 yrs. They share the cage and have layed 10-14 eggs a year for about 5 yrs. now. They have never been with a male so the eggs are never furtal, they drop them from the perch most crack when they hit the bottom some don't if they don't I leave them till they lose interest then candle them and trow them out. I have tried fake eggs, there is no nesting area or meterial to make one. They are healthy, why they started laying eggs no one knows, I take them for regular vet checks and they are always fine. I worry about the calcium loss couse they will lay any where from 2-4 days each time. This is when I take them for their check ups, after they have laid 3-5 eggs. So this would be a knew thing for me to keep a eye on sence they are getting older now, and it is some thing I will notice?. Again, Thank You.

#119842 - 12/17/06 04:27 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Harley needs a new home or I need another way to treat this poor Guy. I have been dealing with butt showers every other day. Hormone Shots EVERY 2 WEEKS for 3 months. One operation. OkAY, a GREAT BIRD,
lOVES AND kISSES.........nOT A SCREAMER.......... bUT he pushes his butt out when ever he feels he needs to.........poop
I thought, I could help him, But I am done trying. It is effecting my marriage since the poopy butt Harley just wants to be my Husband's Love. Harley is my first Rescue and he is a really friendly Guy. I just need to rehome him soon.

#119843 - 12/17/06 04:32 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I have had Harley Since September 2005......I didn't want you all to think, that I haven't TRIED.

#119844 - 12/17/06 04:39 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I wish I could remember exactly what Dana used she got the "recipe" from a holistic group, seem like it was white bark something, or something like that. I will call her tomorrow and ask her about it.

Tammy

#119845 - 12/17/06 04:46 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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It's White Oak Bark from Holisticbirds.com . The whole history is in the archives.

#119846 - 12/17/06 04:47 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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That's it THANKS Charlie, I am so brain dead tonight!

Tammy

#119847 - 12/17/06 05:06 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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#119848 - 12/18/06 11:59 PM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Thanks for the info. I just order a pound of the white bark. If it works I will be the happiest TOO owner on this site. Thanks again

#119849 - 12/19/06 12:29 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Keep us posted, it will be interesting to know first hand. Thanks and the best of luck to you!!

Kim

#119850 - 12/19/06 01:02 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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I hope it works for you both! If you can contact Dana at TooHaven (from her web site) she has used this remedy with success, she could probably help alot. I would put her email here but we can't, but go to her site it is there.

Tammy

http://www.toohaven.org/

#119851 - 12/20/06 02:35 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Hi
emailed her last night, just waiting for reply.
Thanks all.

#119852 - 12/20/06 03:03 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Let us know.? Hope all is well.

#119853 - 12/23/06 04:59 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Kathy,

Hi! Did Dana respond to your email? Did you get your order of white bark?

Please keep us posted. This could be very helpful for future members with this problem.

My very best to you.

Kim

#119854 - 12/24/06 02:39 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Hello Beans and all,
No, I have not hear from Dana ??????????????
Yes, I am still waiting for the White oak bark to arrive.
I will definitely Tell all if this works..
I have been looking for a cure for over a year. White Bark Powder was mentioned before. I could not find the powder on the internet before.I have a pound of the stuff coming. I should be able to cure Harley with this amount, I HOPE.
WILL Post the progress.Thanks for asking, Kathy & Harley

#119855 - 12/24/06 03:06 AM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Dana has been really bsy the last week or so, her hubby has been out of town so she is on her own with kids and birds, I know she mentioned getting the email just not having time to fully respond.

Tammy

#119856 - 12/27/06 01:21 PM Re: Need Help- Prolapsed Too in Maryland  
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Hi Kathy,

I'm not in Maryland but my Vet came highly recommended. She is a certified Avian Vet and I'm sure if you emailed her she could put you in contact with someone in your area. Her name is Dr. Eddy, and the website is http://www.poquosonvet.com/

When I rescued my Too I needed to get her into the vet and every local vet I called recommended her. She probably won't give you too much info without actually seeing your bird but the Avian Vet community is small and she will know who can help you.

Sherrie

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