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#243357 - 03/19/12 05:24 PM suprelorin implant  
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Have any of you used the suprelorin implant? If so, was it successful? Molly has exhibited exaggerated hormonal behavior since we adopted her about 2 months ago. Is it too late to try the implant or the Lupron?


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#256570 - 08/31/14 06:29 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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Hi,
I have the same question as Ellen. Does any of you have some experience with this implant Suprelorin?
I`m considering the implant for a male lesser yellow crested `too, aged 8, who is living with me. I`m not able to meet his needs and training/food/exercise isn`t enough to help with his hormonal behaviour.
Any thought or experience?

#256571 - 08/31/14 07:37 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: cecileg]  
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I have no experience with this implant.

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I`m not able to meet his needs and training/food/exercise isn`t enough to help with his hormonal behaviour.


Find a loving and caring home for this bird before you damage him irreparably. Are you hearing yourself? Does this sentient creature deserve to be drugged?

#256572 - 08/31/14 09:17 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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Suprelorin is not a drug, and does not damaging birds. It`s a common implant in poultry due to problems with eggrelated challenges and diseases, and a lifesaver in many cases.

No, I`m not able to help him with his needs, and neither are you I guess, as he is looking for a mating partner during the breeding season.
He is in good shape, healthy and fully feathered, and an excellent flyer. We are training on a regular basis to help him focus and distract him from nesting behaviour. We also attended Barbara Heidenreichs courses.

As Suprelorin isn`t tried on parrots in Norway yet, I know that it`s a more or less common implant in parrots (also tiels) in the US (also after trying Lupron) and this is why I ask. Besides, it`s not a good situation for him when his hormones are running him this way.

He is registered in the CITES (one of the few), so I can assure you he is not "damaged", as it`s not easy to get him reg. in the CITES.

"I have no experience with this implant." OK Charlie, thanks

#256574 - 08/31/14 10:14 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: cecileg]  
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You admitted you are not enough. That's all I need to know. Implants do dispense drugs. I really feel sorry for this bird.

#256576 - 08/31/14 10:36 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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Have you tried decreasing day light hours, increasing sleep hours to 12-14, decrease variety of foods available and switch up his aviary/cage daily to inhibit hormonal behaviors? I had spoken with my vet about implants for my hen but both were very much against using them. There is not enough study done to date on side effects and effectiveness. Even in the zoos here in this country the implants were iffy at best in a number of different animals and avians.


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#256579 - 08/31/14 11:53 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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Hi Cecileg, if he is fully feathered and a good flyer, what behavior is he exhibiting that needs fixed? Is he just being independent? 5 out of 6 of my birds are very independent. They do their own thing. What are you training him to do?

#256582 - 09/01/14 01:45 AM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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The problem you are having with the discussions on this board is that it appears that you are using medications/drugs as your first line of defense against behavioral problems. This may not be a fact, but judging from your post it seams to be.

It has been about 16 month sense your last post. It would be helpful if you wrote a long post. Be sure to describe what is going wrong with Ole's behavior. Be sure to also describe what you have tried to stop the behaviors you are having problems with. Remember, there are many people that read this board that have many years experience dealing with cockatoos and there behaviors. If they have some information to work with, they may be able to provide you with a solution that does not involve drugs/medication.

I can see from your earlier post that you have taken steps to avoid touching Ole in an inappropriate way. That is a good first step. Also, sunlight might be something that could make Ole's hormones go crazy. I see that in the summer you get over 20 hours daylight and in the winter you get over 20 hours darkness. Do you have some sort of cage-cover or dark-room for Ole to sleep in during the summer? Also I would suggest a full-spectrum bird light for the winter time.

#256673 - 09/04/14 09:15 AM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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Hi all,
and thanks for your thoughts. I have had Ole as my companion for approx. 7,5 years and I’ve been so blessed to have had the opportunity to follow his development and life from a young bird and into young adulthood. Hormonal challenges have occurred over a longer period and especially during a period of 6 months a year due to the natural breeding season. As a introverted, nerdy social scientist, I have always sought after information and recourses if there is anything I do not fully understand when it comes to Ole, and that is also my intention with my question regarding Suprelorin and I intend to continue researching this implant. We regularly visit an avian specialist for check-ups.
Ole’s personality changes due to hormones every year from the beginning of April till October, but this year it has been extra bad.

Physiological challenges in Ole: Problems passing excrements as it is obvious that the semen gland has increased in size and is pressing against his colon, making it hard for him to press out the poop and leaving him in discomfort under this constant pressure. He has lost a lot of weight and has a decrease in appetite as while being inside the cage he is too busy with over-preening and being hyper and has started expressing stereotypical behaviour by hanging on the cage wall and moving his head and neck in a S-shape while being hyped up. Outside the cage he is constantly searching for nesting places, making it hard for him to relax. It seems he gets exhausted by this drive he has, which he does not seem to be able to control himself.

Problems regarding our relationship: As I do not want him perching on my lap in the evenings, I have placed the vacuum cleaner next to me on the couch. This is the only thing that can keep him away from me. If I remove him with my hand, he will bite. I only pet him on the head and only when he once in a while calms down. He has pointed out areas in my apartment where I cannot go if he is out of his cage, as he will attack. He does not bite hard but goes for my face to protect his nesting areas. If I bend over to remove poop, he attacks. I can’t study or do anything for longer periods of time at home, because there is no peace at home and he needs to be watched continuously. Often I don’t have the energy to stay home, I just can’t bare it. We end up in this negative spiral where I am constantly exhausted and ignore Ole, leading him to become even more intense. To sum it up: his personality completely changes during 6 months of the year, for then going back to being my lovable companion for the remaining months.

As you see, these 6 months have both a physical and social aspect. We have for a long time been training behaviour using positive reinforcement (have attended one of Barbara Heidenreich’s seminars and I use her training videos) for flight training, shaping screaming behaviour (He sais Hello when he wants attention) and other behaviours too, to distract him from hormonal behaviour. As a friend of mine said after sitting him for 3 days (she has experience from her own parrot and is a biologist): ”When trying to distract him, he just continues nesting behaviour elsewhere.” He has a healthy balanced diet, has a UV-bird lamp on for 12 hours a day, sleeps under a dark cover for 10 hours a day. He has also been visiting another friend whom actively free flights 3 macaws on a daily basis. He spent 5 days with her flock and got the opportunity for a lot of flying, but she too was shocked about his level of hormonal behaviour.

Ole’s avian vet has known the two of us for many years and she suggested Suprelorin. She is out of principle not a fan of this method, but she recognises the challenges both physiologically and socially. For 5 months of the year, Ole is much calmer, has a normal weight and normal faeces.

Some recent pics:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0_S9uttQQHbUUFQRmNkY0FNQzQ/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0_S9uttQQHbZExhZVQ4azllTm8/edit?usp=sharing

#256674 - 09/04/14 01:04 PM Re: suprelorin implant [Re: Ellen W.]  
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What I don't see in your post is changes that you have made during his hormone season. When Cassie becomes hormonal we change up her cage at least weekly and change toys out daily. Her sleep gets increased to 12-14 hours per night with a decrease in light to 10 hours. Variety of foods decreased to show it is not an abundant time of year. Cassie becomes aggressive and will switch back and forth between my husband and I. We have managed to get the aggression under control or better said under stood by us. Cassie's body language is very easy for us to read so we are able to see the aggression building. If we are unable to redirect her to another activity we will put her in her cage for awhile to play with her toys or she will help us with household chores that she enjoys. We remove all materials that can be used for nesting. If she becomes territorial over a specific item or area we remove or place something in the way. This does not work everyday but it does help most. Sometimes we just have to avoid her if we are the chosen one. I went a couple of months not being able to interact with her at all one year. Part of that time I was unable to be in the same room with her because of her aggression. Our biggest worries with her now is her egg laying. We have used lupron on a couple of different occasions and at different doses, none worked for her.
Have you tried any environmental changes with him?


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