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#215480 - 01/19/10 12:26 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Looking into it further I don't think that he is a board certified avian vet. A 2004 list shows 7 in NY state. As you say, board certification doesn't make or break a vet but shows a certain level of avian study. I think we need to be with someone who handles this more often.

#215481 - 01/19/10 12:34 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: Ofafeather]  
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There are presently 14 board certified AV's in NY State:

http://www.abvp.com/find_results.aspx?ci...p;Submit=Submit


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#215482 - 01/19/10 12:36 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Thanks. I couldn't find it on their before (wasn't looking in the right spot) site but came across a list from 2004 from an older site.

BTW, thanks for all of your help and input.

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#215505 - 01/19/10 03:47 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: Ofafeather]  
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You are more than welcome for any help given. I know finding good veterinary care for our birds can be frustrating sometimes. I'm fortunate to have one of the very best in the country not too far away.

Please keep us posted, and of course we'll keep you and Sammy in our thoughts and prayers. Please stay in touch and keep us updated.


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#215506 - 01/19/10 03:49 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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I really do like my Vet, but who are you using? You are in the Tampa area, correct?

Thanks!


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#215509 - 01/19/10 04:06 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: Lucy's Mom]  
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Dr. Joel Murphy, The Animal and Bird Medical Center. He's located in Palm Harbor.


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#215548 - 01/19/10 06:08 PM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Hi Ofafeather. I have been out of town the last four days and am just now getting caught up on MyToos posts. I pay my vet an office visit ($48) plus the cost of the Lupron shot ($30), which works out to $78 per shot. Each shot is 0.1 ml in dose and Isabella weighs about 500 grams. The dose may need to be more depending on the weight of Sammy, but I kind of doubt it. Isabella has had two of the three shots my vet recommends since she laid her egg on Christmas Day. The first shot was given on 12/26, the second shot was given two weeks later, and the third shot will be given a month after the 2nd shot. That's how he spaces them out. This is the fourth series of Lupron shots that my U2 girl has been given since she began laying eggs at the age of 8 (she's almost 12 now).

You should not be charged for the entire vial of Lupron - that is ridiculous! It sounds like your vet and/or his techs have no experience with this drug. I agree with EM - you should look for another AV who is familiar with this drug and how to administer it. I do believe this drug is a very useful tool. I tried to alter Isabella's environment this year in an effort to prevent her laying an egg this winter "season," but apparently I was unsuccessful. Once the first egg was laid on Christmas Day and the shell was abnormally rough, we decided to begin the Lupron series to prevent another egg from forming and that has been the case - so far, no more eggs! In fact, the Lupron injections each year for the past three years have prevented any more eggs being laid. Like Lucy's Mom, I have made a number of changes to Isabella's environment that help decrease nestiness throughout the year.

Please keep us posted! I do feel it would be wise to use Lupron on Sammy to prevent another egg this year because she had such difficulty passing this one. You can work on her environmental triggers starting now, but I think it is imperative to prevent another egg this season if at all possible!

Take care,

Annette

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#215572 - 01/20/10 01:50 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: MissYumYum]  
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Hi Annette (& of course, Ofafeather) -

My Lucy at her latest AV visit last Thursday weighed 550 grams smile and I am just tickled because he said she was gorgeous (which of course we already knew) - I just wish I could post pics of her on here. I have her on my Facebook page...in any event, I have been really happy that we didn't need to do the Lupron because although she laid a lot of eggs in the first two years we were together, she was really healthy and has now really reduced that behavior and not laid any lately. (YEAH!!!)

Even though she is hormonal, she is just so much better with the behavioral modifications we have done using this forum's education and the AV's advice.

Take care,


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#215578 - 01/20/10 03:53 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: Lucy's Mom]  
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Annette - .1ml????

1cc=1ml


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#215580 - 01/20/10 04:12 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Hi Janet. I looked back on the breakdown of the charges for her vet visit on December 26th and on Jan. 9th for the second shot and that is what was written down for the amount of the shot. Is that too little or too much? I could call them to just double-check that they entered it into the computer correctly.

Hi Karen! I am really glad that the behavior modifications you are using with Lucy have worked so well smile! Of course she is a gorgeous girl! What is your FB name? I can't believe that I haven't sent you a friend request -must have been "asleep at the wheel" as usual these days!

Annette


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#215581 - 01/20/10 04:36 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: MissYumYum]  
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Annette - 1 ml = about 1/5 of a teaspoon. So .1 ml would be 1/10th of 1/5 of a teaspoon - a drop (maybe? LOL!).


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#215595 - 01/20/10 05:16 PM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Well, I just called my vet's office to check on the dosage they printed on my office visit breakdown and was told that 0.1 ml is the correct dose, so literally, a drop, I guess crazy! The receptionist put me on hold for awhile, pulled my file and must have talked to the vet, because she sounded definitive when she got back on the line. Still, though, when I go in for Isabella's third shot on Feb. 9th, I will ask the vet in person about the dosage. I agree, that does seem a very small amount, but so far - fingers-crossed - it has worked!

Annette

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#215600 - 01/20/10 06:56 PM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: MissYumYum]  
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That sure doesn't seem like much to me. I think it is a good idea to ask your vet.He/she could have made an error.


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#215677 - 01/22/10 12:02 AM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: Janny]  
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Hi Ofafeather and all,
Haven't been on here for some time, but I did lose my beloved Steiner bird, U2 female in November of 2007 to egg binding. She was on Lupron injections monthly and it seemed to help until I didn't do my part and that's what helped contribute to her demise. By not curbing the cuddling and playing under blankets like I should have. As it turns out in my case anyway that behavior modification was everything, and had I heeded the warnings she might still be alive today. Good luck and all the best.

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Thanks, Gizzy, for being painfully honest. You didn't really know so you can't throw yourself under the bus! You see now that these instructions are from experience and experts. These cockatoos do perfectly fine with exercise and training sessions, the last thing they need is to be "cuddled" in laps and let to roam around under blankets and other dark, enclosed spaces. I'm sorry for Steiner. I know you loved her, please try to forget and remember the best of times with Steiner. You are teaching others the truth, a very valuable gift! smile

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I agree with Charlie - you can't beat yourself up and from your experience you are teaching others, and that is a wonderful gift.


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#216749 - 02/09/10 08:17 PM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: EchosMom]  
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Just wanted to update everyone on Isabella's Lupron dose. She had her last planned Lupron shot this morning - the third one of the series of three that my vet does after the first egg is laid. She has not laid another one this season, and if history repeats itself, she will not lay another one until December or early January.

I asked the vet today what the dose of her shot is and he said 100 mcg. He said that was a very small amount, but he always starts with that amount and if it works (and it has every year for 4 years), then he sticks with the smallest possible dose. He said that a number of his U2 and M2 patients need a 400 mcg dose to be effective, and that he even has been giving an egg-laying Eclectus doses of 800 mcg to curb her tendencies. In the Ekkie's case, even that large dose is not working this year, so he is flying in Scott Echols (the author of the Captive Foraging DVD) to perform a birdie hysterectomy at Texas A&M in a few weeks. It's drastic, but the bird's life is now threatened - even 16 hours of darkness per day is not helping, and this bird is as chronic a layer as he has ever seen.

So, even though the dose is quite small, it does seem to be shutting down Isabella's urge to reproduce - the shot and my efforts to destimulate her work together to achieve success, knock on wood smile!

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#216766 - 02/09/10 10:55 PM Re: Lupron and other Egg-laying preventatives [Re: MissYumYum]  
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Yay for Isabella smile
Prayers for the Ekkie hen who is about to undergo surgery - frightening to say the least.

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Thanks, Liisa! Here's to an egg-free 9 months, at least!

I would hate to have to make the kind of decision that the Ekkie's owners are having to, but they have tried everything, and this surgery is the last resort. The Ekkie is about 18 years old and has been chronically laying eggs throughout the year for several years now. Poor thing!

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