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#206978 - 08/20/09 12:12 AM Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos  
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Hi, I would like to purchase a 'mate' for my 8 months old LS2 which I purchased 4 months ago. There are really no problems with her however I realise I cannot be constantly with her at home. I bought a huge cage, made a doll with a picture of another LS2 stuck on it. The new LS2 is only a baby, I believe that another LS2 will improve the quality of life for her and me in the long term. I am aware of a potential increased noise level however as I don't know the gender of a new LS2, I am really concerned about the breeding behaviour risk once they mature. I don't belive that the purchase of another LS2 would reduce the tameness however I don't want to put my current LS2 in to any danger of killing each other in the breeding period. Please advise. Thanks Brian

#206980 - 08/20/09 12:15 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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I guess you missed reading the agenda here.

And one thing you need to remember, you cannot chose a "mate" for your cockatoo. They chose their own. And cockatoos should never be left out together, unless they are strictly supervised.


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#206982 - 08/20/09 12:33 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: EchosMom]  
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Hi EM, I hoped for a more qualified advice than that. According to the reading in Mytoos forum and several books or other internet sources, there are happy toos' owners having 2 toos together. I used the word 'mate' as a member of the flock with no relation to the bonding question. Or you don't believe that it would be beneficial for my LS2 to socialise with one of its own species?

#206983 - 08/20/09 12:37 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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My qualified advice is don't buy cockatoos.


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#206988 - 08/20/09 12:49 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: EchosMom]  
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Brian since you have not introduced yourself properly here you were not given the advice that we give others. READ our agenda first.
http://www.mytoos.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=126292#Post126292
When you're done with that then read the main site
http://www.mytoos.com/
Then the articles page
http://www.mytoos.com/main.shtml
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#206996 - 08/20/09 01:12 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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Thanks Nancy, I read all the links you've provided me with prior I purchased Chloe (now 8 months old female LS2). I'm doing a lot of reading for last 6 months. The reason why I opened the new topic is, that I could not find any previously submitted in relation whether or not to purchase another too. It seems that people usually have one too or many of toos with some kind of issues. I have no real problem with Chloe and this thought of purchasing another LS2 is for the simple reason as they can keep a company for each other when alone at home. I also think that this step will be easier or less risky to do when both LS2's are still (very) young. I bought a breeding cage (with no intention of breeding) which can be divided in 2 large spaces. I'm aware of risks which may come however some of it can be overcome by a good handling. The advices like 'don't buy any too's' are just too dismissive as I believe I can provide a better home for them than a pet shop would. If there was this topic in the past please advise on direction. I was not able to find anything really relating to what I'd like to know. Thanks

#207001 - 08/20/09 01:28 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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We are not going to give you advice on purchasing a bird. If you really want that you need to go somewhere else.

#207008 - 08/20/09 01:50 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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Brian, may I ask, are you wanting an easier life for the toos. or for yourself? Do you think if your 'too has a 'forced chosen' mate, it will not need you so much, therefor making life easier for you? I do not believe you mean harm, but potentially, you are causoing great harm, by being part and parcel of the ''cash in pocket/breed some more/ who gives a shit what happens to the birds later'' brigade. Besides all the wrongs and wrongs of supporting the awfull trade of trapping and condemming a truly wild, perhaps the most wild of the wild creature, have you ever seen a picture of a bird, a 'too with its beak torn off? Facial bones showing, raw, bloodied, traumatised skin and bone? This is not uncommon when wild birds are given a mate, rather than being able to choose themselves. I dont think that any agenda on any board will make too much difference, but Im glad that in some cases, it makes people stop and think, then STOP. Potentially, with this innocent victim of captivity/captive breeding you already have, you have 70 years or more of moodswings, bone crunching, flesh ripping bites ahead of you. Do you want that twice over? Do you want it even once? Large birds can live a long, long time. I know, my beloved bird was released from her old age related problems, and from the indignity of captivity, at the age of 76 years. We are not self righteous do-gooders here, we are people who are LEARNING, through the PAIN of our captive companions. Please study, go on youtube, see captive birds compared to free birds, delve deep into bird psychology. Do not buy another. Please.


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#207009 - 08/20/09 01:53 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Michael]  
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Well if you read everything like you said you did you would have realized that not only are we opposed to breeding we are also opposed to buying!!! Adopt a needy bird if you want another one. By buying another bird from a pet store all you are doing is helping to line the pockets of not only the pet store but of the breeder. Sell one bird make enough money to buy two more to sell and so on and so on!
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#207021 - 08/20/09 02:21 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: BE2Cassie]  
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A Mate, how absurd... That either implies they have freedom to choose (which humans have stolen from them) or perhaps that you have chosen, like many others to profit from their captivity... STOP considering "buying" or "breeding" and start reading the links and info here....


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#207039 - 08/20/09 04:10 AM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Rukesmom]  
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Results of "forcing" cockatoos to cohabitate":






#207093 - 08/20/09 04:32 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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Originally Posted By: brian reynolds03
I have no real problem with Chloe and this thought of purchasing another LS2 is for the simple reason as they can keep a company for each other when alone at home. I also think that this step will be easier or less risky to do when both LS2's are still (very) young.


I know a woman whose birds lived caged together for over a decade and were bonded and devoted to each other. They started squabbling, so she separated them into two cages. One escaped from his cage and bit the beak off of his former "mate" (not breeding situation) through the cage bars, while she was still locked inside.

There is no guarantee.

I would also say that the majority of people who purchase a cockatoo do not have any problems with the bird when he/she is 8 months old. Change that to 8 years old and you have a different story. It's almost like the parent of a 4 month old saying that their child doesn't talk back.

The only reason to get another bird is because you want one, not as a companion to a bird you have. Because there's a good chance they're not going to get along as adults, even if they are the same species. And the best way to do that is to find an adult whose personality has already developed and has picked you.

Best of luck to the cockatoo that you already have. I hope she's escaped the cycle so many find themselves in and is in her forever home.

#207095 - 08/20/09 04:39 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Beeps]  
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INMHO Iwouldn't buy another Cockatoo.....if you really want another one look into a rescue. But don't do it for the bird, because there is a chance that you could start to Resent the other bird or your Chloe could start resenting the relationship you have with the other bird.
I know you ha ve enough Love for two birds. But it's alot of work. I have three birds, Two cockatiels and a Too. And if I knew then what I know now, I would have stuck with the ONE cockatiel that I had.
I love my birds don't get me wrong, they are just alot of work (Which I don't mind) and alot of money (which I don't mind either in the long run)
hope my rambling makes sense wink


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#207112 - 08/20/09 05:44 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: brian reynolds03]  
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Originally Posted By: brian reynolds03
I believe that another LS2 will improve the quality of life for her and me in the long term.


Good luck with that theory! I bet this LSC is your first/larger bird. I do wish you the best of luck.

#207119 - 08/20/09 06:02 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Doubleyolk]  
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As everyone has said do not buy another bird, sadly you have already purchased one and made someone able to buy another pair of breeders to start all over. There are so many birds available in rescues all over the united states. I'm sure if you do a little searching you will find one near you. There is nothing wrong with having an older TOO. I adopted an older Too and it did take a year or so before we both fully understood each other. But once we both respected each other for what we had to offer to each other, there was a very special bond between us. He accepted me as a flock member and I had a friend that never judged me just wanted to be with me.Don't mean to ramble but it's so important for people to stop buying birds.


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#207135 - 08/20/09 07:03 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Bonnie11]  
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Yeah, it is a little confusing if you did read all of that info and keep saying "Should I BUY another bird?". I mean, it's pretty rude if you already know what all these people stand for then ask such a thing...


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#207154 - 08/20/09 07:55 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Sigstheman]  
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I am confused, this is your first post.......

Originally Posted By: brian reynolds03
hey guys i'm new on here this is my frist post..

i have a cockatoo she is just over a year old.

since last friday she afraid of my hands she won't step up onto them when i go to her cage she runs to to the back of it.
but she is fine with my partner.

has anybody got any idea what wrong with her??


Now you say your Too is only 8 months old and has no issues? Yet you want to add another Too into the mix??? If you have read everything then the agenda here should be very clear to you, that purchasing any bird is totally against our thoughts and beliefs.

hmmmmmm


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I saw that too Deborah! Reverse aging process???


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#207163 - 08/20/09 08:27 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: EchosMom]  
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Why is he afraid of your hands?What happened Friday?


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#207171 - 08/20/09 09:06 PM Re: Pro's & Con's of having 2 cockatoos [Re: Chewy]  
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Originally Posted By: Chewy
Why is he afraid of your hands?What happened Friday?


You are right on the money Erin!!! Something drastic changed in this little ones life.

HERE are the responses I got about 2.5 years ago when I asked the same questions. The answers are almost identical. Well, I got the other U2. And do you think they are buddies because they were both so young when introduced? FAR FROM IT!! Poor sweet Harlie is terrified of Brandy. They have been in the same bird room for two years. It's just a matter of fact.

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