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#16499 - 09/02/05 04:24 PM Goffins behavior problems  
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Has anyone ever had a hand raised baby later try to revert to babyhood?

I got my little Goffins girl in January as a fully weaned 9mth old that had been hatched in an incubator and hand fed. ((Which concerned me since I would never remove on of our foals from their Dam--but everyone assured me it was best))

Within a couple months she began to squeak and beg in the mornings. She puffs all up and rocks back and forth 'squeaking' the whole time. She won't eat and won't stop even when held. It's awful! She starts as soon as she sees me in the morning. And generally sticks to that behavior until mid morning or lunch time.
I do not respond to the behavior, and try very hard to ignore her when she does it. Sometimes to preserve my sanity I take her to her outside flight with her breakfast as soon as I get up.

We have had a consistent routine the whole time this behavior developed. She has a good sized cage which she only sleeps in. The rest of the time she is out on her perch, in her flight, or with me doing my outdoor work. She even goes with us on the weekends for our competitive rides. She gets tons of attention. I just don't understand how this has happened.

My breeder thought she was trying to revert to babyhood and that it would pass. It's not. And I am afraid that the longer it goes on the more set she will be.

If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it!

((My family has always had Cockatoo's and none have ever had any issue's!))

#16500 - 09/02/05 04:39 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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First and foremost we do not condone the buying/selling/breeding of cockatoos. You must have missed that portion of the website. Somehow many people miss that portion. Maybe you should read it now. That I can help you with other than that I have no information that would be useful to you.

P.S. Have you spoken to your vet? I know you called your breeder but what about your avian vet? I'm sure that he/she would have a lot of useful information for you.

#16501 - 09/02/05 04:49 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Hello Equizotics. While you wait for others to answer your qurestion you may want to do a 'search' on weaning. There is a lot of info that may help you.

#16502 - 09/02/05 04:52 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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New members please read
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Weaning discussion
More discussions on weaning
Look for Alaska_toos and Jerry\'s posts in this thread

Give me a second, still running searches. Or you can start useing the search feature yourself, the link is on the upper right side of the screen. Try 'weaning', 'force weaning', or 'baby noises'

Ok I'm done 'cause there's alot of threads and alot of heat over the buying of baby birds. If you hang around for any lenght of time you'll find out why. I'd suggest confining your searches to the diet and behavior sections at first.

#16503 - 09/03/05 04:15 AM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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This may seem pretty basic, but... has your Goffin girl been to an Avian vet to determine if anything is medically wrong?

If not it would be a good idea to rule out the possibility of a medical problem so you can then focus on what's going on in her little 'Too head.

Also, is she going through a big molt? Mine are having a rough go of it this year & they are all a bit crabby.

I have a Goffin hen as well (3rd home), and she is much more 'sensitive' than my Moluccan boy (6th home)... shocked

Good Luck

Liisa

#16504 - 09/03/05 04:51 AM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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IMHO she IS still a baby. I agree that a trip to the vet may be in order. I also don't see any reason why she could not be "indulged" with some warm oatmeal or sweet potato or anything warm and mushy from you hand or a spoon. I have 5 "anorexic" <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> U2's that are often spoon fed. My 20 year old pair of G2's both wild caught also enjoy their Breakfast "gruel" from a spoon - time permitting. I have found this to be good for the purposes of relationship building, never mind the added nutrition. Again, just my opionion. wink

#16505 - 09/03/05 02:07 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Since this bird is still a baby, I would think that ignoring her when she's crying for you would be detrimental for her well being. Like a human baby, she is crying for something, even though it may take you some time to figure out what it is. I know my birds always seem to want time and attention most in the morning than at any other time.

#16506 - 09/03/05 03:15 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Does she do this behavior with anyone else? My Les is the most loved cockatoo...he's 17 months old, he's never in his cage, he's now flighted, he's on a very good diet, he gets constant attention, he has more toys and play areas then my human children, he's had several visits to the vet for various reasons due to my being a nervous too mom, he's spoon fed every day with warm oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and anything else, he has a wonderful disposition...but for a long time, as soon as my daughter's boyfriend would walk in the door, he'd do the same thing you're describing. Les still does it with him but very infrequently now. I believe that Les associated him with someone from his early babyhood before he came to us. We would give the friend warm food to try to feed Les during those times but he wouldn't accept any. He just would hunker down, rock, and meep. So, the friend would just sit with him and pet him or try to get him interested in an activity. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't...but the behavior stopped either when the friend left or it stopped on Les's own terms. However, the behavior wasn't something we ever ignored...which may be the reason Les no longer felt the need to do this behavior. I can picture exactly what your too is doing. I would take him to the vet first just to be on the safe side and then, as much of an inconvenience as it is, I'd give into the behavior because I believe it will help your too get through it and then move on.

#16507 - 09/03/05 05:57 PM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Thanks everyone!

King les, you describe this behavior perfectly. She will not eat anything from me at those times, (usually first thing in the morning), and she does it the most when she sees me.
At first as it was developing I tried to feed her, then snuggle and love on her and tried to divert her attention with toys and play. But it got worse. So then I thought I was reinforcing it and started putting her outside or on her perch with her breakfast. That's not working either. I even try tucking her into my shirt. Which sort of works sometimes.

I got to this board by doing a search on weaning problems. It took me directly to this message board where I read posts by people with pet parrots. I didn't see any posts to indicate this was an anti-pet parrot board((if it is)). So I apologize.

#16508 - 09/04/05 12:32 AM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Just how long has she been doing this for?

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and she does it the most when she sees me.
So she's doing it even when you're not around?

I remember when I first saw Les do this behavior and it made me feel so sorry for him like he just wanted to be loved or fed or nurtured some how and we'd try giving him all the above but he never responded to anything. He'd just sit on the friend's lap hunkered and meeping or making some other strange pathetic sounds.

It's really hard to know what to do for this behavior when you've tried every remedy that would logically fit the symptoms. I'm only guessing that Les was reverting back to being a baby when he did this but since he never responded to our nuturing during those times then I can't say that that's for sure what it was even though it looked like it.

After a while, I stopped worrying about it and we'd go on about our business with Les sitting in the friend's lap doing his thing while the friend would visit with us. One day it stopped. It only happens every once in a great while now and it will be the same motion only without the sound effects smile

#16509 - 09/06/05 01:00 AM Re: Goffins behavior problems  
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Hello ! Im sorry im replying to this post a little late in the game. But i would like to share my own bit of cockatoo psychology. What we hafto do is take a look at there natural behavior. A young bird that is to old to be mouth fed in the wild . Is usually "attacked" bye the parent's or other flock members. If the begging doesent stop for an extended period of course. And when i say "violentley" i mean it appear's violent to us but it usually starts with a warning nip or "birdie scowl" pupil's flaring etc. If the chick doesent stop they start screaming at it and chasing it to lower branches........ i dont suggest you start screaming and flapping your arms though LOL.I usually start with a scowl or firm "NO!". If the behavior doesent stop after the first few "scowl's and NO'S!" a quick reminder of "time out" and a trip to the food bowl should be sufficient. It sound's very strict and mean but these are incredibly intelligent animals with a caste based society. And if your not willing to be the "top bird" in the flock you'l be treated as a subordinate. On a side note occasional hand feedings are very important to cockatoos of all ages. Just be careful not to rekindle the feeding response with warm mushy foods. Try a bit of apple or a half of walnut. Well ive rambled enough good luck with your new baby smile


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