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#171646 - 07/29/08 12:17 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: EchosMom]  
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I know that many of us are anxious to see pictures of the Florida facility that the macaws went to. While we wait for official pictures from TGF, you can get an aerial view, compliments of Zillow.com

Aerial View

Bird's Eye View Be sure to use the pan and zoom-in features to look around the entire property...it's big.



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#171660 - 07/29/08 05:08 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Charlie]  
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Holy Smokes, thats a HUGE breeding facility frown

#171681 - 07/29/08 02:09 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: rockinseattle]  
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If this breeding facility only sells to pet stores because they don't have the manpower to wean babies, how are they going to give those rescued macaws the care that they need and deserve. You watch, they are going to do things that normally wouldn't be done because everyone is watching. Like giving them toys and such. TGF will make sure of that, otherwise called covering your *ss.

What a life for all those beautiful, intelligent parrots. It is just so sad.

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#171942 - 07/31/08 12:55 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: ZazuSally]  
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I am ashamed that this is in FL


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#171948 - 07/31/08 02:30 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Lucy's Mom]  
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Isn't this Clubb's facility? The one who held that huge (online) auction with Stampler last year because she was going through a divorce? She was in Loxahatchee, and breeding for pet stores. Just curious to know if it's the same facility. As a Floridian, I'm ashamed also.


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#172391 - 08/04/08 03:16 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: hellobaby]  
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You can't be ashamed because you live there, but proud to know that since you KNOW the truth...you can make a difference! The more knowledge you have, the more education you can pass on!


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#172416 - 08/04/08 04:41 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Bird Mom]  
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This facility is close to Clubb's, about 10 minutes, but not the exact same location.


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#172683 - 08/06/08 05:13 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: EchosMom]  
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Well, it's been 10 days since the macaws arrived at Luv them Birds in Florida, and still no pictures of them in their brand new, spacious aviary that was waiting for them. confused


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#172839 - 08/07/08 02:30 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: EchosMom]  
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I'm shocked! (no not really) : (


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#172845 - 08/07/08 04:17 AM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Donnalee]  
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Perhaps we should all email jools and ask why no updates

#173006 - 08/08/08 06:15 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: alexz]  
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Reading this truly makes me sick - how can a rescue ship the birds to a breeding facility - while they may not be used in the breeding program - how can they condone it..am I missing something?

Were there no other places set up to accommodate a large number such as that? no foster/safe homes? This truly has changed my mindset on TGF and everything they supposedly stand for...

#173024 - 08/08/08 08:04 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: alexz]  
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Still no update?

#173031 - 08/08/08 08:57 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Bokka-pooh]  
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They probably don't see any reason to post pics CUZ the drama (for the most part) is over and they don't want to re-open it again causing further attention on them.

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#173033 - 08/08/08 09:11 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Bokka-pooh]  
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E-mail them an ask! We are the only advocates these birds have. They are at a breeding farm waiting for their abusive owners to scrap up $20,000 to reclaim them. I wonder if they will be taken to the same field they were found in?

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#173036 - 08/08/08 09:53 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Charlie]  
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I emailed them with a few questions. I don't know if I will get a response, but we shall see.

#173162 - 08/09/08 11:01 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: EchosMom]  
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This whole situation bothers me so much.
They looked so awesome at the rescue, so happy and well fed.

Now they might go back to those owners? That is terrible, makes me sick frown

#173226 - 08/10/08 08:34 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Cidsa]  
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I have been checkin out the madmacaws web site i had to use a de-bugger to close this file and re-start. BUT-from what I have seen before this, It appears that these McCaws are still are being housed and kept AS Breeders. We all know birds of a feather do flock and it's what they do but keeping the pairings together......I kinda call it as I see it!As much as I would want to bring every Scared,plucked,and lonely abuse case home. And I do have the space (7 acres of beautiful trees and grass and open areas) I found out the hard way with Katrina as a Great Dane resting site until their owners could know they were safe as they rebuilded. I lost most of my own dogs and many others due to one slip of wanting to help vs. careful bio-security. Parvo does infect vaccinated as well as not. The same translates to Avian rescues.As much as it hurts- Keeping breeding pares together is just that Breeders!

#173227 - 08/10/08 08:42 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: pixiez]  
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If breeder birds are bonded then it is really hard on the birds to seperate them.

But there are measures that can be taken so that there is a lower chance of eggs.

#173298 - 08/11/08 04:48 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: Charlie]  
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Details and updates are at http://www.madmacaws.net including This Article just released. There are also several more open letters of support/recommendation on the supporting documents page.


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#173303 - 08/11/08 05:53 PM Re: From Hell to.............. Hell! [Re: EchosMom]  
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EM, I can't read a couple of the supporting letters. Can't they be scanned in full size for old eyes. LOL

Also, I'd like to see pictures of how these birds are housed and what environmental enrichment they have. Did TGF ever get back to you?

Bev


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