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#164362 - 05/10/08 05:41 AM The most abused bird in captivity.  
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The chicken frown They are so often disregarded as merely food and unworthy of our care and attention. Our societies massive desire for animal products has lead the industry to intensify conditions, producing more and more animals and animal products while taking up less and less space. The results may be desirable from a business standpoint, but from an environmental one and an animal welfare one , they are horrible.

On April 1st, our rescue teamed up with another rescue in Southern Alberta called RASTA (Rescue and Sanctuary for Threatened Animals)) to save the lives of as many battery hens as we could from a local factory farm that produces eggs. Because we are in the city, we could only take as many as we could immediately place in rural foster homes. RASTA is situated on a large farm and was able to take 50. Sadly, there were 10 000 chickens facing a horrific fate, one that's common on small town Factory Farms for disposing of Spent Hens; a wood chipper.

Spent hens are hens whose egg production as declined. They are only a year and a half old but their bodies have been so taxed from being forced to lay more eggs then is natural for them (by light adjustment) that they are physically worn out. Their bodies are worthless for meat, and most are mulched up to be used as fertilizer or fed back to hoofstock.


Conveniently, our van broke down shortly before we were set to leave, so we were stuck with our volunteers two door. Oh well!

This is the farm, where the hens came from:

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6-8 to a cage, wire floors, they can't stretch their wings or stand up completely straight. They can't move without pushing past another hen. The floors are slanted so that their eggs roll out.

They have no natural lighting, just incandescent bulbs that barely light the place up. The wide front doors were open at this point so there's a lot more light then they are used to. The workers had to wear face masks to be in there for any extended period of time...can you imagine how the chickens must feel?

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This is when we stopped to rearrange the chickens, as they had loaded them into the cages so that they were packed on top of one another. We had to put them directly into the trunk because we couldn't fit them all into the cages we brought.

I wonder what passerbys must have thought!

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They were missing a lot of feathers and most of what they did have were beaten up or just the shafts remained. They were packed so closely into those cages that they plucked one another and themselves out of stress and the inability to properly form a natural pecking order to the sheer number of other chickens around them. The wires of the cages rub the feathers off and the longer feathers, such as the tail and flight feathers, don't have a chance. They are quickly worn down by the inability to move without rubbing up against the wire or another bird.

Their faces and combs were pale, and the combs were overly floppy, covering their faces. This is caused by anemia and the high temperature in the barns, and is common with ex-battery hens.

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We met the woman from RASTA about an hour away so that she could take her hens back to the sanctuary, about three hours away.


When we got ours home, we set them up in a small pen as it was dark out already. The next day, they were allowed out to explore for the first times in their lives. They were afraid of everything...birds, bugs, the wind...and at first the spent a lot of time in their roost. They were terrified of us and would run around hysterically if we came towards them.


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Over the weeks they have improved a lot, and act like normal chickens now. Most of them have tail feathers, and they're no longer afraid of us. They have mastered the art of catching flies and two of them are extremely friendly...they'll follow you around as you do outdoor chores, and jump onto your lap when you want a rest. Although they were just a tiny drop in the bucket, I'm glad these guys were able to actually experience life...it was really horrible seeing all of the birds we couldn't bring back.

Here they are, as of yesterday, looking like different birds.

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Sadly, 98% of North America's eggs are farmed in this manner, and the farm we went to was a small one. Their suffering is enormous, and driving through the country, passing one of these farms, you would never know.

#164364 - 05/10/08 05:57 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Tiasmom]  
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This is the kind of reason I gave up BUYING eggs years ago and we have our own "girls", as I call them. We have 6 hens and they have a big pen. In fact we have two, and alternate every so often.

Tiasmom, it is great you were able to rescue some of these lovely birds and give them a life.


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#164367 - 05/10/08 06:13 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: kerri]  
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I browsed through this pretty fast and looked at a few pictures. I'll read tomorrow.

SO TERRIBLE. That is the reason I do not eat those poor animals frown


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#164381 - 05/10/08 04:26 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: sandiego]  
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Thanks for posting this, TiasMom! The pictures you posted speak a thousand words... And speaking of words... they just escape me right now... such cruel conditions those poor birds were in! And I have to assume that is what 99.9% of chickens live in! Thank you for rescuing some of them! The difference in their appearance in just a week is nothing short of amazing!

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#164400 - 05/10/08 09:35 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: MissYumYum]  
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After having to work on a chicken farm for a class I can tell you that at least in the US this is not how chickens are kept. the USDA has a whole long list of guidelines for the minimum standards for care of all livestock. For poultry cages should be staggered so that the droppings from birds on the higher tiers cannot hit the lower tiers. This not only keeps the birds healthier it also allows for easier barn cleanup. (which in any large scale poultry operation is already difficult even when standards are set) Both the EU and the US have cage specifications of approximately 12 square inches per pound of weight. The cages shown in the pictures look like are designed to hold 2 possibly 3 chickens at most. If any chicken farm in the US were to keep chickens like that they would be shut down.

#164403 - 05/10/08 09:52 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: ralphsdad]  
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Ralphsdad, perhaps your chicken farm experience was better than this. However, I have personally seen at least 5 chicken farms that are pretty close to what is in the pictures. There may be guidelines and minimum standards of care. However, they obviously aren't being followed or we wouldn't have meat recalls nearly as often as we do. My husband has witnessed turkeys being electrocuted by the truckload. They were packed into cages similarly to what was in the pictures and the cages were stacked on the truck. They were hosed down, then electrodes were applied and the power was turned on. Even if the rules were followed, 12 square inches per pound of weight is ridiculous. That would be like putting a U2 in an 18x18 cage or less, depending on the size of the bird.

#164406 - 05/10/08 10:30 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: jenscritters]  
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Here in Minnesota chicken rescues and sanctuaries exist & animal rights groups publish many such stories as Tiasmom posted.
We were able to keep chickens for eggs at our last house smile (a block away) really can't living off the corner of main street. frown
When I worked our last Twin Cities pet expo in Feb. I read too many chicken welfare articles and now have given up buying any mass chicken products in grocery stores.
My solution was to choose "food with a face". Free range chickens locally/lovely raised and available at some area butchers and delivery farm co-ops. I am very lucky these options are available so close to me.
For us it really started with pork production issues & finding organic free range pork products.....
Just my little USA $.02 story

#164410 - 05/10/08 11:17 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: 1wingwonder]  
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Yes, unfortunately it is just as bad in the US as Canada. PETA had a story on that just a couple months ago. They are even abused in the slaughter houses. PETA sends their people in to pose as workers and they have cameras. Certainly not how God intended his animals to be treated. Did you name all the chickens "Lucky"? Thanks for giving these poor animals a life as they were intended!


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#164441 - 05/11/08 08:05 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Donnalee]  
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Yes there are unscrupulous farmers who choose to ignore the rules and when they are caught they get shut down. They only way that this can happen though is to increase the number of USDA inspectors. This sadly is something that is unlikely to happen until after people get hurt which is unfortunately the way our system is set up. Im not saying its right but its what we are currently stuck with.

Also PETA is probably the most hypocritical group on the planet and while there may be a tiny bit of truth in some their claims, it comes from such a biased source its hard to take them seriously. They claim to be an animal rights group and yet they kill more animals than they ever help. In fact the Center for Consumer Freedom petitioned the Virginia legislature to have PETA reclassified as a slaughterhouse rather than as a humane society. Newsweek also recently did an article on PETA's kill to rescue rate. Since 1998 PETA has killed more than 17,000 animals, nearly 85 percent of all those it has rescued. PETA’s 2007 “Animal Record” shows that of the 1997 animals PETA took into its Virginia headquarters only 17 ever found homes, the rest were euthanized.

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Great work! I can't believe these are the same chooks... Well done!


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#164686 - 05/15/08 07:15 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Lene]  
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thank you for bring us this story and the photo's. it is good t be reminded about who pays the price for our modern conviences.


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Some chicken farms are horrible. I try to buy chicken and eggs that come from free range farms.

As for PETA, well I've said it before, but they are giant hypocrites out to make money. They do dig up some of the worst places ever, but that's the bottom 5% (if even that much). I lived on a ranch for a while and I never saw the kind of abuse they target. They are definitely out there but it's not as rampant as they tout.

Anyways, I will never understand why people treat their animals so badly, especially when they are supposed to be sold as food. If you take good care of your animals and they are healthy and happy, they make for a better product (being blunt here) and you get more money after all is said and done.
Even if I was raising animals for food, I could never abuse them smirk

#164690 - 05/15/08 08:56 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Cidsa]  
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Free range - this is what is classified as FREE RANGE.

A chicken, well the group, hundreds, get a small door to the outside world. Most don't even make it outside, but as long as they have the DOOR to the outside. They are considered FREE RANGE.

It's crazy what everything is considered. It's hard for me, and I am sure everyone else to go through, everything on the shelves and see what is this and that. I'm a poor college student (also going through that roommate situation) and it's harddd frown I am a vegetarian and try so hard to do good for every living thing.

I'd love to have my own chicken for eggs laugh For MEAT, I NEVER in my life could stand meat much, I have NEVER had a steak, I'd pick through every piece I had for fat or "gross" things. Just not for me. My uncle actually lives on a farm in rural Minnesota. Whenever he'd get in little chicks, I'd get to take one home to my town (we didn't live on a farm) and I'd get to have him for awhile. He'd walk around with me and we'd have fun. My mom and I built a HUGE cage for our cockatiels which quickly turned into the chicken cage for nighttime. WOW, I haven't thought about this for a long time. But, it was fun. The chickens were SO smart, too.

Now I am rambling smile


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#164896 - 05/18/08 07:00 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: sandiego]  
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TIAS MOM, Your awesome and I am so glad you rescued those ppor animals! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!


Originally Posted By: ralphsdad
After having to work on a chicken farm for a class I can tell you that at least in the US this is not how chickens are kept. the USDA has a whole long list of guidelines for the minimum standards for care of all livestock. For poultry cages should be staggered so that the droppings from birds on the higher tiers cannot hit the lower tiers. This not only keeps the birds healthier it also allows for easier barn cleanup. (which in any large scale poultry operation is already difficult even when standards are set) Both the EU and the US have cage specifications of approximately 12 square inches per pound of weight. The cages shown in the pictures look like are designed to hold 2 possibly 3 chickens at most. If any chicken farm in the US were to keep chickens like that they would be shut down.


LOL is that a JOKE? The USDA is a joke. Want me to show you the California Chicken farm video of May of 08? Want me to show you the PA one? Or what about Texas Chicken farms and many many more? I have 100's links if you want to see proof that America is one of the WORST Power FActory Farm Breeders! America,AUstralia, Cananda. Tck tck tck...

Originally Posted By: ralphsdad

Also PETA is probably the most hypocritical group on the planet and while there may be a tiny bit of truth in some their claims, it comes from such a biased source its hard to take them seriously. They claim to be an animal rights group and yet they kill more animals than they ever help.


As supporter of PETA and knowing personally many members of PETA I have to speak up on my own behalf. What is so wrong with putting lame, abused, neglected animals down? It all comes to our own opinions and beliefs. MANY people believe that terminally ill people should be able to be put to rest by lethal injections, etc, but many people are opposed of it. Animals cannot speak, and as a member of Peta, we do have to put many suffering animals down. RESCUES AND SANCTUARIES are OVER CROWDED!!!! Its unfair and unclean and very costly to keep all the animals. We try to keep and rehome many of the ones we have, medical bills of in the $100,000!W e cannot keep and take them all. We put the worst down. Some arent that bad but are put down, but we cannot allow abuse to go on and neglect by over crowding and/or keeping them in such situations that they are not feeling loved and cared for. Its hard enough to fo rPound Animals, only walked MAYBE 2x's a day and to return to a small 4x8 kennel. That'd be no worst than the people who keep their dogs outdoors excep tthey;d be in a cleaner environment with food 2-3x's a day. ALSO Why allow them to be abused in a Factory Farm, Rodeo, Puppymill, etc when they can be put to rest and not have to go through that any longer?? No, animals didnt ask for this, but its much more humane than to just LET it happen and "forget" about it and pretend its not happening in those disgusting situations. Thats Pathetic.

Peta is 100% non profit when we get money from donators, all money we get goes 100% back to the animals in ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. Either it to raise money for one thing, or another, it all deals in the regards of the animals cause.

There is nothing different between a chicken and a parrot except most Americans and people who have parrots dont really have an open mind out side the parrot family, Chickens are incredibly smart, and can be clicker trained to do a variety of things and recall trained to come on demand. GREAT Pets.

Mercedez


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#164936 - 05/18/08 09:28 PM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Bokka-pooh]  
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I agree with everything Mercedez says above. That farm in Canada is a dreamland compared to what is going on in the majority of farms in the U.S.. Do we need to provide the hundreds of links to footage about factory farmed chickens and eggs?? Just Google it. See if you can find ANY footage that does NOT show abuse! Even all the "humane certified" (SNORT!! mad ) egg producer's videos are horrific. California recently forbid these producers from using the word "humane" on their packaging because it was deliberately misleading the public for profit. They CAN say "Care certified", since the producers are the ones who define "care". I've read the "certified care" guidelines. Things like how many INCHES of living space each chicken must be allotted. It is like "sandiego" mentioned above: FREE RANGE? How dare they insult the public's intelligence. If you find a farm with great conditions, find out how they "dispose" of spent hens.

Warning. Some of what I am about to describe is "graphic." But people should know this stuff. If you already know and don't want to get upset by hearing descriptions of animal abuse, don't read the rest of my post.

I almost posted earlier to consider whether being tossed live into a wood chipper WAS more humane than the way most chickens are slaughtered. Hard to even think about that possibility, isn't it? Have you ever seen the PALLETS of live chickens PILED in OPEN trucks being transported to slaughter? Being stuffed, broken, into those little slabs of boxes is just the beginning of their horror. This highway ride is the first and last time any of these chickens will see the sun or feel fresh air. It can only add to their terror in what is a torture of cold and wind, or heat and thirst. They can't afford a tarp to cover them? Every time I see this (usually on the George Washington Bridge) I want to cut off the truck and get out and scream the riot act at the driver and ask him what is WRONG with him, that he could do this to live animals!! (and our smart, wonderful birds, at that). He is just doing his job. PETA points out that people shouldn't HAVE to abuse animals to make a living. This is part of the problem. The rest of the slaughterhouse procedures for chickens are well documented. Google it, as I suggest above. Public information, not PETA propaganda. I thank well meaning PETA members. Much abuse would not see the light of day without these PETA members. If abuse is not exposed, does that mean the abuse isn't happening? Don't blame PETA for what you see. Don't believe all the anti-PETA propaganda.

Of course, there is nothing humane about the meat grinders they toss the baby boy (egg-laying) chicks into to dispose of them. They are slowly dismembered alive by turning screws, piece by piece. Unless of course they are just tossed into bins to suffocate under the weight of those piled on top of them. There is cruelty from beginning to end in the egg business.

Cidsa mentions, better care produces a better product. Guess what? No one cares. Even as a CHILD I could see that the bits of chicken in my chicken soup WERE NOT any color chicken should be. DARK meat? Ha! Bruised stuff that no one would willingly buy. And that is the better quality "remains" they are willing to let us SEE. The "broth makers" must pay slightly more than the fertilizer makers...

P.S. Did you know that "Cornish Game Hens" are just baby CHICKENS (usually less than 30 days old)? (From the Reader's Digest book, "Imponderables," by David Feldman, pg. 95-96.) I'll post all the details, if anyone needs them. According to Dr. Roy Brister at Tyson Foods, all chicken we eat has the Cornish White Rock as one of it's ancestors. It is a marketing ploy (That last word is NOT from Dr. Roy's statement. grin ! Dr. Brister speculates it was a "marketing IDEA"). Everything from here on is Mr. Feldman's... Quote from the book:

"...let's face it. It is a lot easier to get big bucks for a product with a tony name like "Rock Cornish game hen" than it is for "chick" or "baby broiler." If veal were called "baby cow," it's price would plummet overnight."

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#164957 - 05/19/08 02:20 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: Bokka-pooh]  
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Mercedez, Are you kidding me?!?!?!

Originally Posted By: Bokka-pooh
What is so wrong with putting lame, abused, neglected animals down?...We put the worst down....we cannot allow abuse to go on and neglect by over crowding and/or keeping them in such situations that they are not feeling loved and cared for. Its hard enough to fo rPound Animals, only walked MAYBE 2x's a day and to return to a small 4x8 kennel. That'd be no worst than the people who keep their dogs outdoors excep tthey;d be in a cleaner environment with food 2-3x's a day


Yes its can be stressful for animals to be in a shelter BUT the animal has the possibility of being adopted where it can be well cared for in a loving home. Killing nearly every animal that comes through the door denies these animals that possibility. Yes some people are in favor of euthanasia for pthe terminally ill but people have the ability to ask for their lives to be ended. You assume that an animal would rather die than be given the chance to live a happy life with a new family.

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all money we get goes 100% back to the animals in ONE WAY OR ANOTHER

Yeah more money for euthanasia meds...

In 2007 PETA officially took in 1997 animals and yet only managed to place 17 animals. In 2006 they took in 3061 animals and adopted 12. (These numbers exclude animals taken in for sterilization and later reclaimed by owners) This is a pathetic attempt at running a shelter. That is a less than 1% placement rate. With an annual income in the 10s of MILLIONS of dollars (with all the money going to help animals as you say) I would think that PETA could at least manage 2 dozen adoptions in a year.

Yes rescues and sanctuaries are over crowded. My local shelter recently had to stop accepting animals due to overcrowding and yet with a budget of just over $800,000 they managed to only have a 26.6% euthanasia rate. PETA's rate is 90.9% for 2007 and 97.4% for 2006. Of the 3,359 animals that came to their shelter in 2007, 67.2% were adopted and the remaining 6.2% were reunited with their owners. Thats more than 2200 adoptions for a shelter with 2% of PETAs budget. An organization with such an abysmal record should hardly be lecturing to anyone on how to care for animals.


#164980 - 05/19/08 06:07 AM Re: The most abused bird in captivity. [Re: ralphsdad]  
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Wanted to add more to your story there Ralphsdad..

Here is a detailed record of PETA's activity in 2006: http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin...7&year=2006
The 'reclaimed' number looks good (6575), but look at the adopted versus euthanised. 12 adopted, 2981 euthanised. That is a TERRIBLE record.

Peta employees were also caught dumping dead animals in dumpsters (sorry for the fox links): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245548,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159861,00.html

There have also been repeated hypocritical statements made by highers ups (especially the founder ingrid), some of which make me believe that the founder doesn't actually care much about animals. They also have ties to the ALF which is a really bad organization, I wouldn't want anything to do with those idiots.

I'm all for animals rights but I'm not supporting shady organizations that don't seem to do anything positive. Peta's track record should speak for itself, it seems they prefer the animals to be dead than with humans which isn't a solution. I also really dislike Peta's constant use of shock imagery and lack of good arguments and facts. It's almost impossible to get straight answers from peta people, they usually just resort to insults and scare tactics.. massive red flag for me.

I MUCH prefer to support smaller organizations, ones that I feel are making a difference. Such as rescues (ones I know are good). want to support animal rescues that are NO KILL and work hard to place their animals in caring, loving homes. This goes double for parrots, a lot of rescues will euthanise large parrots as soon as they come in due to the trouble rehoming poses. frown

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I guess it really deppends on how you see it, and what side of the matter you are on. I know SO MANY bird rescues and sanctuaries who's hands are filled with 5 xs too many birds they cannot care for, hundreds. TOO MANY. I do not believe each and every animal can be taken care of, same with dogs, cat, other animals, etc. Its impossible. And when your dealing with parrots, and since there are very fer good homes, not enough funds, not enough good foster homes, space, etc. Putting down HUMANELY is not murdering or killing its a blessing really compared to living in an overcrowded cramp space, small cage, no toys, living a miserable life. I would rather have them go in peace, no pain, than to suffer in an over crowded environment and cage bound. If you at the point of overcrowding that means funds itself are tight, meaning not proper toys even if you have 501 and people who donate food, etc, the animal will feel neglect and its abuse to have to cage bound an animal in either a parrot cage, dog kennel, etc. Human euthaniasia is peaceful. Its not like they murder/kill them by hanging them upside down, having their throats slit, blood pouring out of their necks as they scream and fight for their dear life and then boiled... I believe its much more friendlier than what people are saying. And thats the end of this you will hear from me because like any other case, argument, debate (whatever) you will have two sides and no matter how much someone tries to convince the other, the other side will not relent.

Mercedez

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SanDiego, do you know of any links to sites that describe the free-range guidelines? Or maybe one that lists which companies have higher standards? I always pay extra for free-range eggs, and I don't want to give my money to a marketing ploy. There's a small family farm about 2 miles from me that sells their eggs, maybe I'll just start stopping there on my way home from work so I KNOW I'm not being manipulated.


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For any of you more interested in this topic, that goes into a lot of detail about hens in battery cages, but it is generally an anti-animal agriculture industry book, it is called Meat Market by Erik Marcus. We read it in my animal law course. It is a very well researched and informative book.

Rhea


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