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How about those Macaws?

Posted By: shellz

How about those Macaws? - 02/21/05 06:38 AM

What can you tell me about Macaws? There is a rescue in St. Louis that has 3 - thinking of fostering. We have a G2 and a tiel. How do these parrots behave - same issues as toos? (plucking, aggression, biting, screaming?).
Advice welcome!
Posted By: Charlie

Re: How about those Macaws? - 02/21/05 06:44 AM

I think Macaws can have respiratory problems living near 'Toos. Check with your vet.
Posted By: ncrush

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/23/05 09:55 PM

My dad has had macaws since I can remember. My experience has been that they are very loving towards my dad (letting him hold them like a baby LOL) I am not sure what he would do without them. They were always very jealous of me though. I would say that if you had the time to spend with them they would be great members of the family. Also note that his were all hand feed by him so that may make a big difference in the way they react to him. I am thinking about getting a baby Blue and Gold but am not sure how our African grey will react.

Hope that helped a little!
Posted By: ncrush

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/23/05 09:58 PM

Also I forgot to ad that my dad has had c2's with the macaws and there were no problems but I would still check with your vet.
What kind of macaws are they? That may make a difference in behavior. My experience has been that the blue and gold are much calmer and loving.
Posted By: angie

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/23/05 10:00 PM

We recently adopted a Military Macaw and she is so loving!! She is really something else. But beware, a large bird with a beak like that can be intimidating to those around it that are uneasy!!
Angie
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/24/05 02:05 AM

Hello we adopted a catalina macaw 11 years old about 4 months ago she took to me right away only because i showed no fear when she was testing my arm pinching my trying to trick me like shes going to bite believe me i was freaked out she had a huge over grown beak.my hunband on the other hand got scared and pulled away.so now merlins totally bonded with me merlin always trys to scare off my husband trys biting him then he starts laughing its very funny.shes a joy she talks shes so funny.hardly screams could not have adopted a better bird!good luck
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/24/05 06:52 AM

What I have noticed with Macaws "you give an inch they take a mile"

Macaws are extremely intelligent birds as most of you know and also go off your emotions. you cannot let your guard down with anybird no matter how "tame/domesticated" you believe them to be. By laughing when your beloved Macaw bites is showing him attention and he will continue to show this behavior until you "time out" and correct the situation. I have Literally bit my tounge from a macaw bite just to not show a response. Macaw will learn there boundaries of "their bite". My macaw bit me and I still have the scar. I was not angry it was somewhat my fault. the cable guy came in wearing a hat and I had Nikko perched on my arm and the cable guy was bald and it scared him. He squwaked and bit me . Not to be mean but to warn me tht he felt uncomfortable and danger was near.
Dont get me wrong..I have said an ouch or owww and when I was out of the room playing with one of my bird I said "no bite" to Mickey and from the other room my Macaw yelled Ouuuccchhh! ow...
So they understand more then we think wouldnt you say?

Not all birds are the same...
You need to learn their body language, eyepinning etc.,
All birds can be pluckers some more so then others. even chickens can be pluckers..

Older birds can be reshaped to a lovable bird however their memories still exsit and this is what you will have to figure out.
Spend alot of time at the rescue before you decide to get a big bird like a Macaw...
let the bird choose you,You will understand this after handling many birds, some like you and some dont. A macaw is like having a 2 year old child for the rest of your life. But can become the best friend with some time and patience. this decision needs to be thought out and not jumped at. I hope this helps..some. I could rattle on a few more pages but I will save you the eye strain...

Lisa
Posted By: ncrush

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/24/05 05:14 PM

mnda

I made the same mistake your husband did with our CAG. Now he loves my boyfriend and wants to bite me. I have always wanted a Catalina. I think they are beautiful birds.

Natalie
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/25/05 12:07 AM

thanks (n crush),she is a very pretty girls its hard to believe after 11 years of someone owning her that they would want to give her up the mand who owned her all that time i guess was starting a band and merlin always screamed when the music was playing really stupid reason then a lady adopted her and had her for a year she said she no longer had time for merlin and now we own merlin and she will live her the rest of my life. well im on the subject (lisa624 )that makes alot of sense actually merlin starts to laugh first when he bites my husband and that makes me laugh.i guess i should not do that do you have any suggetions on how he can win back merlin sometimes merlin lets him hold her but only if im not around.if i am and she sees me thats when she trys biting him.should i just stick him back in his cage when hes being naughty like that?this is the first macaw i ever had we have a grey and a amazon recently adopted a cockatoo the macaw by far is my favorite.one more (n crush) my grey trys to bite my husband also from the first day we got her she was only 6 months bonded with me instantly shes one smart cookie unbelievable how they copy everything you say when my other birds are screaming she tells them be quite so funny if only they would listen.anyways i can talk bird talk all day better end this!
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/25/05 04:20 AM

when Merlin bites your husband he needs to say "no bite" put him back in the cage for a time out. "2-3 minutes" with no interaction. have the hubby walk out of the room and come come back and see if Merlin will step up and have him talk soothing to Merlin. If Merlin tries to bite him again repeat the time out. This will be done without you around. the bird needs to understand that you two are equals in the flock order. its you AND him. Not just you.
Let hubby spend more time alone with Merlin so Merlin can get used to him and understand his boundaries. Slowly you will be introduced into the picture. some birds pick there parront and thts the way they want it. however I believe what Merlin is showing is "your his" and when he sees you he wants you! Not the hubby. My Macaw Nikko was takin care of by my husband when he was a weeee little one and now I am the primary caretaker. But he still wants my hubby when I am around. Does your husband help feed him and clean his cage? try the more time alone and I think Merlin will be a good buddy to the hubby.
Make sure you and the hubby you the same words and manerisms. If you talk to him in a baby voice then have the hubby talk to him the same. My husband sounds soo silly but he talks to all them in this oochy=coochy baby voice.
It will definately take time for him to gain trust but it the hubby is consistant with Merlin..I think this will work out for all of you.
Posted By: kimbirdie

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/25/05 04:24 AM

given the chance/time, I think we could all talk "bird" all day! laugh
Posted By: Marv

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/26/05 12:27 AM

my boy Blue is close to 9 yrs now he is a B&G very smart and loves to play games he knows he can bully the dog from the dog bowl and take a bath he will sit on me while i take a nap and not let any one near if thinks im sleeping and when he gets excited and want to play he'll blush yes they can scream -cya Marv
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/26/05 02:15 AM

Thanks lisa we will definitely try that i think part of the problem is that merlin sees me all day i do not work and my husbands gone all day so i do all ythe bird feedings and cleanings. at least merlin lets him hold her sometimes better then neveri soppose.ya thats what i was thinking to i should noy be in the room when my husband holds merlin or chats with him.hope fully they can come to an agreement.another thing do you think she may be able to bond with a male cockatoo not share a cage or anything just not kill each other when there out of the cage im so afraid to let them out at the same time.im not sure howto go about getting them to maybe be friends we had the cockatoo for 3months now there across the room from each other. sorry one last thing do you think that one i take a bird out to spend time that i should leave the room so the others don't see i don't really think any of them mind but the um too my husband thinks i should leave the room i think that i should not and let them get use to be handling all of them what do you think p.s thanks for all the advice!
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/26/05 05:18 AM

another thing do you think she may be able to bond with a male cockatoo not share a cage or anything just not kill each other when there out of the cage im so afraid to let them out at the same time.im not sure howto go about getting them to maybe be friends we had the cockatoo for 3months now there across the room from each other.
Strange you should ask tht ! I am anal about this so my husband will put thme on the same perch (its 14 feet long) and I have to walk away! I have the same fear. my U2 and macaw are learning to tolerate eachother..but they are still young. Today I walked into the kitchen from the sunroom and Nikko flew over to the playstand where Mikado was and I heard Mikado make a few chirp noises no screaming..but more of a sound like "Get Off My Stand!" I ran out there and said Ohhh Nooo..and they both looked at me like, "What? Whad we do?" And I removed Nikko and he wanted to go back. If you let them out and they are across the room from eachother just supervise. They love to be on their cage.

sorry one last thing do you think that one i take a bird out to spend time that i should leave the room so the others don't see i don't really think any of them mind but the um too my husband thinks i should leave the room i think that i should not and let them get use to be handling all of them what do you think p.s thanks for all the advice!

I dont see a problem with tht..if you want special time with tht bird. But I do take mine out in front of eachother and play with them in their room. I will grab a magazine and sit on the floor and of course Mikado always climbs down his cage and comes over to me. Remember they learn from eachother and they watch how each of them interacts with you. I had a viscious little Conure I was trying to turn around and I let him see how the other birds interacted with me to let him see they didnt fear me or bite..I feel/hope this helped him to trust me I was able to handle him after a day or two of him Just watching and him wanting to oin in the fun and games. I will also hold Nikko and stand by Mikados cage and ask Mikado if Nikko is a good boy or vice versa..all the while petting and saying see Nikko? Mikado is a good girl! and Nikko will say Gooo gur well try too! No problem I hope I can help a little bit let me know how it goes. Oh and since the hubby works have him partake in the feedings on the weekend. hehe laugh
Posted By: ncrush

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/26/05 07:39 PM

mnda
We have the opposite problem. I am here all day with Peanut and he works. I spend time with him everyday and he still prefers my bf over me. Weird huh? He is still just fun to be around though!!
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 03:54 AM

HI n crush ya thats weird thats a cag for you there cool little birds. quaido was are first starter parrot she cracks me up everyday.how old is yours hows the vocab.
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 04:07 AM

hi lisa, the cockatoo tried to bite my grey when put him next to her on the perch.i was just maybe hoping that the 2 big birds would bond casper escaped one day and i came home to find him sitting ontop of merlins cage talk about what could of happened your husbands brave im afraid to put them next to each other.thats one fight i don't want to break up ouch.merlin always want s to regurdate on me everytime i hold her thats all she wants to do weird .it doesn't bother me but i think shes a little obsessed with it! well i'll keep you posted p.s is your cockatoo male or female.
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 08:50 AM

This year is my first year back...to work. After four years of working out of my house.

I am anal about it as well. My grey and amazon get along just fine. It was hard for me to let them "bond" but now they eat out of the same bowl. this took just one week. However my Too and macaw I am afraid..but they seem to want to be near eachother to fight it out.."not relly"
My Too is all bark when it came to him and Nikko being together. On there own like I said in the previous post. But I still wont let them be on the same perch.
Posted By: ncrush

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 04:28 PM

mnda
He is 7 yrs old. He is excellent at mimicking us and noises around. The people who had him before did not talk to him much so he doesn't know many words but he is starting to learn. When ever he wants on my boyfriends hand, he tells him to come here. It is really cute. I went to this bird store the other day and after looking around for a little while I saw these shelves with baby macaws, on the bottom shelf I came across a full grown yellow nape in a cage about 1ft by 1ft. It broke my heart. His eyes looked swollen. I want to do something about but I am not sure what. Does anyone have suggestions?
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 11:01 PM

lisa you sound just like me my yellow nape and grey get along pretty good for the most part.today i let merlin out and casper. merlin likes to walk around on the floor so does casper anyways they made there way next to each other no blood shed casper seemed curious kind of followed behind merlin.when they were standing face toface merlin backed away alittle and kept saying hello merlin.then eventually casper went and climbed back on his cageso it seems like a good start !
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/28/05 11:16 PM

n crush thats sad about that poor bird im not sure what you can do.im sure theres something though .my macaw says out when he wants out of his cage or he goes come here hurry up there so funny.my grey tells the dogs to lay down get on the porch when ever i oped the slider door or she will go rocky manda get on the porch i don't know why she puts my name in there .she will say stop it no biting.she does the phone of course i fall for her trick and go and answere it and its funny because i never really talked to her either as far as repeating words and teaching her words she just picks them out and starts repeating.my amazon talks a little but she has not picked up no were nere as many words as the grey.
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/29/05 04:50 AM

mnda
He is 7 yrs old. He is excellent at mimicking us and noises around. The people who had him before did not talk to him much so he doesn't know many words but he is starting to learn. When ever he wants on my boyfriends hand, he tells him to come here. It is really cute. I went to this bird store the other day and after looking around for a little while I saw these shelves with baby macaws, on the bottom shelf I came across a full grown yellow nape in a cage about 1ft by 1ft. It broke my heart. His eyes looked swollen. I want to do something about but I am not sure what. Does anyone have suggestions?

Report them to your local Humane Society or ASPCA. I would probably talk to the manager myself..I dont bite my tounge on anything especially something like this. But They need to be fined! So get your local Rescue involved too.

MNDA....
I fugured out what was going on..lol My Grey is in love!! Today he was making whimpering noises and pacing back and forth on his perch. My amazon was looking at him like "what's yer problem?" So after the pace and whimper noises he would try to regurgitate he would stick his wings out slightly and flutter them then try to puke..lol he would even follow behind Regal nudging her in her bootie and say in a whisper "come on" At first imma be honest I thought he was having a heart attack but love is in the air..
Posted By: mnda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 03/30/05 10:53 PM

thats funny sounds like what merlin does to me i guess shes in love.but i think i'll stick with feeding myself ha!
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 04/21/05 05:24 PM

Whatever I have posted is only exzperience from my macaw. Not all birds are the same in the macw or cockatoo species.
Posted By: scoutkj

Re: How about those Macaws? - 04/21/05 05:51 PM

Actually, when you said,
Quote:
What I have noticed with Macaws "you give an inch they take a mile
I was thinking, wow, that's a pretty good generalization. I think a lot of Macaw owners are good at calling a bluff.
Posted By: Elliott

Re: How about those Macaws? - 04/21/05 06:35 PM

Most of the macaws I have dealt with are pretty much trying to see how far they can get with you. While I was volunteering the the local zoo we had 4 breeding pairs. A pair of Blue and Golds, Scarlets (mine is one of their babies) Military, and Hyacinth. They all tried to intimadate you. If you were, you couldn't get in their cages. The male B&G was a retired circus performer and was about 45 y.o. He would be as mean as he could. If you didn't back down he was your buddy. He loves in a private home now and is really sweet. My scarlet will still try to bluff me but that just doesn't happen. I think with all of the large birds you have to be the flock leader.
Posted By: wildirish

Re: How about those Macaws? - 04/21/05 06:35 PM

That's for sure, we have 4 macaws here. Pickles:10 yr old Millie, Kianna, 8yr old B&G, GypsyROse: 6yr old B&G, and Calypso: almost 2 yr old Harley. All are rescues brought her for different reasons. Boy does it make life interesting!!!

Kianna wants no other birds or people other than me. Pickles is the same except she wants hubby. Calypso like pretty much everyone, and GypsyRose only wants me and will bite the other birds to get her way.

They test us all day long, and if they get it away with it once they keep doing whatever it is. They are loud when playing and always in constant motion. They are clowns and they try to out talk eachother all the time.

We also have Toos here in a large room just off our living room. I have to vac and dust twice a day most of the time. We are working on getting bird safe filters or trying to find fans small enough for the windows. The one luxury of NC weather is I can have the windows open from April until around July before the AC comes on. Then starting in September thru about November before heater gets to come back on.

There is a thread about the filters on here stating good/bad ones. If you have both types of birds make sure you constantly keep the dust cleaned up and a vac with a hepa filter is a must.

Like stated depending on which type of macaws and past living conditions will play a big role in the temperment of the foster ones.
Posted By: Lisab624

Re: How about those Macaws? - 05/14/05 11:18 AM

shellz???

Hows it going with tht macaw?
Posted By: Rhonda

Re: How about those Macaws? - 05/14/05 08:55 PM

Just in case you aren't aware... You have to be very very careful when keeping both Too's and Macaws.
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Respiratory Disease in Macaws
Pulmonary Hypersensitivity Syndrome
by Linda Pesek DVM, Diplomate ABVP (Avian)

Providing a good environment as well as a good diet is essential in keeping your bird healthy. In addition to proper temperature, good ventilation is essential.
Although good ventilation is necessary for any type of bird, it is especially critical for macaws. Blue and Gold macaws, as well as several other species of macaws, seem especially sensitive to airborne irritants. They may develop a progressive respiratory disease known as "pulmonary hypersensitivity syndrome" if housed in a poorly ventilated room, especially if kept with birds that produce a great deal of powder - cockatoos, cockatiels and African grey parrots.

This powder is produced by specialized "powder down feathers" and is a white waxy substance composed of keratin. Powder down forms a water proof barrier for contour feathers. It is spread through the feathers when the bird grooms. The down is composed of very fine particulate matter which becomes airborne very easily and spreads via air currents and air ducts throughout the area.

The powder down can also cause irritation to people with respiratory problems and allergies. (People with allergies may be able to tolerate these birds, but they should be aware of this before acquiring one of them).

In the early stages of pulmonary hypersensitivity syndrome, the macaw may appear normal, but wheeze with excitement. As the condition progresses, dyspnea (difficulty in breathing), a cough and a bluish tinge to the facial skin (cyanosis) develop. Hypoxia or under oxygenation of tissues occurs, which often leads to an increase in the number of circulating red blodd cells (rbc). Polycythemia (increased rbc numbers) will increase the viscosity of the blood so that it does not flow normally. Clinical symptoms and xrays may support the diagnosis, but a lung biopsy is necessary for confirmation.

In order to prevent this, macaws should be housed in well ventilated rooms - without cockatoos, cockatiels or African greys. An air cleaner with a hepa filter is recommended.

Unfortunately, this pulmonary disease is often advanced when owners first notice a problem.

Affected birds should be moved to an environment with adequate ventilation. Certain drugs may provide temporary relief, but there is no cure for "pulmonary hypersensitiviy syndrome".

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~Rhonda
Posted By: liviray

Re: How about those Macaws? - 05/14/05 09:06 PM

Rhonda...you and I were posting the same article at the same time Great Minds think alike I guess!~ laugh
Posted By: Too and Zon Mom

Re: How about those Macaws? - 05/20/05 06:22 AM

Rhonda, thanks for getting back to the subject on housing macaws and 'toos. Also, you posted the topic that I was unsuccessful in finding!

I, personally, see no reason to risk this combination if housed in the same space or even near each other. It would be very difficult to have them interact with the family on separate occasions (not fair, either) due to Too dust. So far, my zons seem unfazed by the dust from our U2 and I've not found anything to say that it's not healthy or rather unhealthy for them...Lots of showers with the U2 will keep dust down.
Posted By: DocT

Re: How about those Macaws? - 06/01/05 02:31 AM

I am new to the group so reading the posts a little late. Rhonda I was reading your post about keeping toos and B&G's in the same room with a great deal of interest. I have kept my too and my B&G in the same room now for over 10 yrs and this is the first I have heard of that. I have never seen any problems but then my birds get showers once a week and a misting almost every day so that could have a lot to do with me never having a problem. The room is well ventilated for the birds. I work for a veterinary practice and the avain vet has never mentioned this to me and I am sure he knows my birds are in the same room. Hmmm??? think maybe I will have to ask him a few questions tomorrow.

DocT
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