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ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE????

Posted By: Baby'sLori

ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 05:45 AM

Many of you read and replied to the little girl "GalahGirl" who posted her query in her search for information on this site. I'm sorry but I was under the impression that we were all here to share information, educate, etc. so that people (especially children, young adults or first time owners) would be educated and informed in the way to make proper decisions as to avian ownership.
I have to give ALL KUDOS to Alaska_toos, Janny, Wishfull, BirdieDi and Bettyand Rita'sMom for sensible advice and attempts to redirect this young lady to a "smaller" bird who would not be "pet store" bought and would be an "easier" avian friend for her as her life progressed. She was an obviously intelligent girl but was getting in over her head as was apparent....
Janny was a little "iffy" in remarks/comments.
But, worst of all was Lola, Charlie and, especially - for goodness sakes - Jerry. Jerry, where do you even think you can come from making a comment like "spoiled as many American children are...." ??? BAD on you!!! The comments were not only insulting to all of us Americans, but also to the children and parents and sexist as to the females.
I truly apologize if you are offended BUT YOU offended ME!!!! I am American, female, mature and could possibly have contributed to the excellent advice that the aforementioned members of the board tried to offer in education and training for this girl. Instead, in some of your biased, too strongly worded and prejudiced opinions, you probably drove her straight to the pet store!!! Who do you think you are making comments like that? Again, isn't the purpose of the forum to educate and enlighten? Especially a young, intelligent, educated (and hopefully enlightened) young person??? Isn't training and education your goal and purpose?
You made me mad, sad and ended the forum at your last "strongly worded" SLAM on her so that, instead of continuing to visit, talk, discuss and listen...she will do just the opposite of what the forum should be intended for... If anyone else out there did not see the posts and the final replies, please go to topic "tweeters" and look for GalahGirl's post and the wonderful responses and then the slams. I'm hoping that everyone aforementioned will recognize that you were attempting to train and redirect this young person before she got SLAMMED and will probably never visit this site again and will most likely go out and buy the poor bird because of that fact.
Sorry, am angry and if you feel the need to cut me off or blast me, feel free. I'm older, have been around and can certainly take it better than a young AMERICAN girl (of whom you seem to hold in such disregard as we are all spoiled and selfish!!!!!) angry
Posted By: jm47

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 07:26 AM

I'm also American and female. And I am spoiled, and well aware of it.
I have never lived for longer than a few days without access to electricity, a hot shower, running water, and a flush toilet. I was fed, clothed, and educated for 17 years at my parents' expense. I have never been farther than a few hours' drive from a hospital. I have enough clothes that I can change every day, and do laundry only every week or 2 if I want. That's spoiled.
Jerry just spent a "vacation" where a lot of things Americans take for granted are only for the very rich and privileged. Where any teenager who wants to have even a chance to attend more school must really WORK for it, and those who don't have very little chance of having those PRIVELEGES I just mentioned.

No doubt the girl is very bright, but she really doesn't listen very well, and I was glad Jerry closed the topic before I replied. . .in what might have been a harsher tone than he used!

I also scored really well on tests (college level in every subject at age 11), and I wouldn't have been a good caretaker for a cockatoo at 13. I was a pretty good caretaker for a dog, and my parents were extremely strict with how we carried out our responsibilities, but I couldn't have coped with a too! (didn't know that then, but now, 45 years later. . .)
The idea that parents ought to "reward" with birthday gifts whose cost would feed a family for months in most parts of the world. . . sure sounds like "spoiling" to me

I was kept fully conscious that even though some folks thought we weren't very well off, we had far more than 90% of the world's population. The word "spoiled" needs to be used! IMHO
Posted By: citrinocristata

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 12:36 PM

I have the utmost respect for Jerry, and all the others. I wish i will ever get the guts to be this straight forward to people. I am so happy to finally found people that are telling the TRUTH.

A 13-year old and a cockatoo eek What's there to discuss confused

Ellen
Posted By: Stormy

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 01:06 PM

Baby'lori, I have to agree with Jerry and Charlie also. Everyone is trying to lead her to the right direction and she has a comeback answer for every question. She is only 13 with 3 younger siblings and has an allowence of only $20 a month. I just took my goffin to the vet last month and his bill was $400. Can she afford that? I don't think so. Just 3 months ago I had to take my u2 to the vet, a bill of $250. So that is part of the problem! The money issue!! But more important is that she is so young, her life will be changing in so many ways, school, afterschool activities and so on. If she got that too it would only be a matter of time before it will be left in its cage longer and longer periods of time until either it becomes self destructive or rehomed. I mean if you think about it, how many adults rehome their toos because they are so needy, so noisy, too much work and etc.... So for the life of me I can't figure out or imagine a 13 year old taking care of a too. Maybe some posters were harsh but if you noticed, the harshness came after many were trying to let her know what the real facts are about toos and she is totally ignoring those facts. So I guess it was time for the big guns to come out and try to drive the point home. I have never been harsh with anyone in my posts but to be honest, she was pushing my buttons. The bottom line was and is always for the birds because I am getting so tired and discouraged to see all these poor toos, being homeless and abused and if only these people were educated first maybe, just maybe life will be better for the toos.
Posted By: cascade

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 01:57 PM

I tried to post, and it was closed, I was distraught until I read Jerry's post. KUDOS to him for saying it. He pretty much covered everything I had written, and I praise him for it. American children ARE spoiled, as are the grown-ups. I am an American and we need to get back to basics, when I was Galahgirls age I was saving lunch money for a parakeet. She states that MOMMY will buy the high priced bird, and she has plenty of time to devote to it because DADDY cut off the cable because it cost too much???? Get real!!!!
Posted By: GoosesMom

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 04:16 PM

I also did not get a chance to respond to that post, but I'm glad because it was making me angry. I agree with Jerry, Charlie and Lola as well, and probably would have responded just as harshly. I am 23 and I bought my U2 when I was 20. As much as I love her it was probably one of the stupidest things I ever did. Everything was great at first, she didn't even need that much attention... but as she got older it's been harder and harder. Don't get me wrong, as compared to a lot of U2s she's an angel. She's never drawn blood and if she bites its usually only a warning that she doesn't like something your doing and she'll use just enough pressure to control you not hurt you. But she also costs a lot of money (vets, toys, food, a new cage soon), she just started chewing on her pin feathers and making them bleed, and she screams for attention. I can't go on vacation, or even stay out too late at night because she needs me.
I also scored college level on test at age 10, but even at age 23 I am not ready for a cockatoo. But I made a commitment and I will love her and care for her until the day I die, and I can't imagine my life without her (although sometimes it would be nice).

Oh, and by the way, I am an american female as well and I agree with Jerry, we are quite spoiled and we take a lot of things for granted. I personally try not too, but like someone above me said, I've never had to go more than a day without electricity and running water, I throw away food just because I'm not in the mood for it. So would I consider myself spoiled? You bet!
Posted By: Lola_dup2

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 05:05 PM

i Ended up talking to Galahgirl on messenger and she did seem to think she could get by on that 20$ a month. She had to ask me what a budgie was and a cockatiel. And that her little brother was mean to pets. and she has Asthma and her sister has allergies. SHe really did seem to think there was 100% nothing wrong with her parents gifting the bird to her. If you cant pay for the bird yourself? how do you expect to afford its living expences? What about if the bird bites sombody elses fingers off? I really do hope i got her down to the idea of adopting a nice conure instead of a Too but when she asked if they came in pink aswell and have those movey uppy down things on their head aswell confused I think Everyone here needs to further discuss this with her. she was extremely upset with that Spoilt comment from jerry and stated " he shouldnt be allowed to do that " spoilt? Yeah i think sombodys spoilt if their parent is willing to go to a pet store and spend 2,500$ on a bird. I earned the privlage of having my animals here, i earn the money to care for them. i put away money for vet bills. shes 13, in todays society ( well here atleast) Companys dont like to hire anyone under 16. How does she expect to get by with that? If anything he parents will be upping her allowance so she gets enough to pay for the birds, so anywayse her parents are paying for EVERYTHING! thats spoilt!
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 05:44 PM

I didn't comment on that thread because (a) by the time I noticed it, Charlie and others seemed to have handled the situation quite well, (b) whoever initiated that thread was NOT listening and taking the important advice much too lightly, and (c) it occured to me that perhaps that person isn't a 13yo, but a troll.

Long time MyToos members have been through "discussions" with people like that time and time again and we begin to recognize patterns. Sometimes people do not actually come for advice (as they say they do) but more for a pat on the back or something. They want to hear what THEY want to hear and will not accept anything else - including REALITY. Clearly, that was the case with this (supposed) child.

The fact that this supposed 13yo is online unchecked is reckless on the part of the supposed parents. The fact that the parents may purchase this big-ticket "item" for their "13 year old" based on HER promise to care for it is reckless. It really isn't far-fetched to say that this "child" is spoiled. The parents should be online actively pursuing information about such an expensive exotic "pet". Furthermore, it's highly reckless of these parents to put their children - and this bird - in the position they may be putting them into. Birds bite and can maim small children parts. And that's that.

Rarely do I see Charlie be so direct as he was with his post to her... and I agree wholeheartedly with what he wrote. While Jerry has his own personal way of putting things, HE is the owner of this board and entitled to his opinions. In this case, I can see his point. Americans are spoiled in comparison to many other people in the world. And, if that was a real child who started the thread about obtaining a Galah, I also agree that she is spoiled and has a LOT to learn about life in the real world!

Lynne
Posted By: Janny

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 05:46 PM

Hey Baby'sLori,

I think where things ended up going here was.....EVERYONE tried being nice as can be for a no "frills group".That did not work at all.This girl was convinced to get this Galah after group members who are well experienced with this advised her no and stated the reasons why.Offered many other options and the pro's of this instead.Nobody purposefully went out to be a avasive or anything.I have learned that with teens if they get thier mind on something they are not going to listen to reason at all,very few will anyway.I think Jerry and Charlie were right on the money in the way it was handled.In fact I had to hold back when replying to her nonsense.Teens like her love to argue and we all bought into that like it was gold.I had another reply before Charlie and it wasn't pretty....I am actually glad now that the subject was closed.I think Jerry and Charlie as well as all the moderaters have great insight and show good judgement when it comes to this message board and keep everything on track.

Jan
Posted By: alaska_toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/03/06 07:30 PM

I think it is very sad that some members of this board would question Jerry on his closure of that thread. Iím sure Jerry sat back and read the replies that was being made to this girl. It was very obvious that she wasnít going to listen to anything that was being said to her, she was continually turning things around to fit her particular needs or desires. There was no reasoning with this child.

I try to be a very tactful person (the military did teach me something laugh ) when replying to children, as it has only been a few years since my children thought they knew everything about anything, and I have to admit that I was at my ropes end with this person! I told my son about the thread and the 12 yo that wanted a RB2 and he thought she was out of her mind! He has had a cockatiel since he was 14 yrs old. There are some things that children have no business trying to deal with, and owning a cockatoo is one of them, no holds barred.

I can say that after traveling to other countries (I was in the U.S. Army) that Americanís are very spoiled! We take so many things for granted here that others can only hope to have someday! I know this on a personal level and so do my children as they traveled with me.

I have had the opportunity to travel to other countries and see how they live and just exactly what their living standards are. I have had the pleasure of living in tents without having a hot shower for 2 weeks at a time (thank God for baby wipes), I have eaten the same M.R.E. (Meals Ready to Eat) for 5 meals in a row, but at least I can say that I had the opportunity to eat. For all of this I can say that I am truly a spoiled American woman and I am very proud of it.

Sometimes it is wiser to listen than speak without fully understanding what is being said. Galahgirl was not listening to what was being spoken, but she was speaking of things that she did not truly know of.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 12:08 AM

Alaska_toos - is it Anne? I completely agree with all messages placed on this forum!!! I only wish that we, as a whole, could have redirected her obvious intelligence, research, etc. to a more productive avenue of pet/avian ownership through educating her as her parents have obviously NOT done (being ignorant as to avians - especially large avians as she seems to want to "jump into the deep end with") I feel sorry for her, ESPECIALLY FOR THE POOR BIRD, and for her ignorant parents/advice. They clearly do NOT know what they are talking about and getting into.
If you don't mind reading and listening to an unhappy story that we ran into a year ago, the facts are similar.....There was an advertisement in the paper for a Cockatoo for sale...$750.00 complete with bird and cage. The man who was trying to sell the poor bird was at wits end because it was his daughter's bird. Unfortunately, the girl grew up, went to college and left the poor thing home with her parents to deal with. Well, they put it in it's cage, put it in their basement and then wanted to get rid of if because it screamed 24 hours a day (Gee...I wonder why...)???? I wanted to go buy the bird simply to alleviate its misery!!! To this day, I still wonder what happened to the poor thing and can only correlate that story with the one told by GalahGirl (whom I personally think is so headstrong that she will go out and "buy" this poor bird anyway)... frown
Sorry, but that is my take and feedback on what she was attempting to do and we can only pray that saner heads will rule/reason and she will redirect her attention to some other "pet" and not an instant "know it all" when she thinks reading, researching and intelligence is all it takes.
I totally agree with Alaska_toos....think about the life you have yet to lead....where you are and will be going in future. And, mostly, mostly, mostly----care about the bird and BE PREPARED to put its needs first!!!
Again, sorry, but that is my own humble opinion and this girl should NOT (spoiled or not) be in the position of caregiver of such a lovely and demanding avian.
Lori, Baby and family.
Posted By: Charlie

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 12:54 AM

I moved this to an appropriate forum, from Cockatiels. Also, be aware that member Lori's Baby and LoriL are one and the same.

http://www.mytoos.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=002518
Posted By: Lola_dup2

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 01:53 AM

Did i do wrong by trying to convince her off getting a Too through messenger? I told her everything i knew and what life would be like going through school with a too and how she should be earning every penny and such. I tried to see if she would concider a nice medium sized dog but i think i ended up getting her interested in conures, and the questions she asked honestly scared me. Did i go wrong?

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Also, be aware that member Lori's Baby and LoriL are one and the same.
How does that happen confused
Posted By: Belongs2Sammy

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 01:54 AM

Lori,

With all due respect, I understand how the responses to GalahGirl might have seemed harsh. But you have only had Baby for a short time. You really have no idea of the trials and tribulations one faces living with these creatures. Many of us here do, so when a 13 year old girl who we KNOW is not capable of caring for a 'Too asks advice about them, we get very frightened, and we do everything in our power to CHANGE HER MIND .

Someday, you might find yourself wishing that someone had changed your mind too. At that point, you will be coming from the very same frame of reference that Charlie, Janny, et. al. are looking at this from.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 02:32 AM

Lola - absolutely not wrong. Personally, she needed to be guided to a small, medium sized dog....small bird....fish (whatever.... smile something that would not require the absolute devotion our large avians do. I did read her bio and she had NEVER even owned a bird in her life (much like other pets). She really needed to be redirected and everyone was trying to do so. Unfortunately, she was just headstrong enough that she had her mind set and no advice or convincing was going to help..... sad, sad, sad.
Belongs2Sammy - I can only totally agree. We've had this particular sweetheart for only 1 year which is why I count on you guys for advice and support. We have 30+ years experience with parrots, tiels, keets, etc. but this is our first adopted sweetheart of a U2.
Frankly, the initiation of the topic from a child wanting her first bird to be "out of her league" just frightened me (as a LONG time bird lover/caretaker) and I simply wanted to make sure that we did not cut her off too quickly and drive her straight to the pet store as she - in her obvious immaturity and headstrong opinion - seemed so inclined to do.
Jana - don't worry - I don't think that anything said or any sound advice, etc. would have dissuaded this poor disallusioned child. (Bad on her parents for letting her do this on her own and not researching it themselves and not listenening to sound advice!!!)
GOOD for everyone who tried to discourage this obvious mistake and we can only sit back and pray for the bird......
Thank you guys so much....Hey, everyone tried, right? That's all we can do....
Lori, Baby and family....
Posted By: danad

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 02:33 AM

I do think that she was given very good advice on not obtaining a larger bird. However I have lost some respect for you Jerry on the last comment you made. I think it would have been more appropriate for everyone to not argue with a child and the topic should have been closed sooner. It is very apparent that she was going to do what she wanted, so why argue, sometimes silence with a child works better. she was given plenty of advice which she was choosing to ignore and I am sure that it was making alot of members angry enough to make a comment like you did Jerry. Since it is clear that you are fighting a good cause. I would just caution on the comments and how they are presented. it is unfair to say that all american children are spoiled, I know plenty of american children that are homeless, with out food, shelter etc.. that are leading a much more horrible existance. So to sum it up, I am proud that you are defending the cockatoos and other large birds but the last comment was unfair, offending, and prejudiced twords Americans, old and young. You lost your cool! When dealing with children it is always better to take a deep breath and count to 10. I have 4 of them and 3 are teens.
Posted By: Charlie

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 02:42 AM

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When dealing with children it is always better to take a deep breath and count to 10.
This is a very serious cockatoo board, not Nickelodeon.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 02:42 AM

OOOOps guys....the only reason my "user name" changed is because my little "sweetheart" decided to become a computer guru....ate my lapton and I had to go back and recreate everything (including user names/passwords, etc.) And you thought you had problems???? LOL All I can do is laugh, learn a lesson and go from there....not her fault....mine....I left the darn thing within reach when I took 2 seconds to go to the restroom....(she's FAST).... smile But, hey, what can I say...lesson learned...bad on me (won't happen again) and I went out today and bought her lots and lots and lots of toys to keep her busy smile
If you want to just get in on some fun...see my post re: funny stories and "I bet I can top you on cost of owning a too....." We should offer a prize to the winner as I bet on the post, me and Baby will rank right up there....(trying to keep it light and all in perspective and, again, thank all of you sooooo much - luv, luv, luv)
Posted By: Lola_dup2

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 03:33 AM

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whatever.... something that would not require the absolute devotion our large avians do. I did read her bio and she had NEVER even owned a bird in her life (much like other pets).
Didnít she say they had a Quaker or something and her little brother scared it away and apparently they were lucky its a Quaker so it will be fine outside? Isnít that the attitude you just have to love mad Makes me wonder if they even bothered to look for the bird when it got out. I havenít seen GalahGirl back online since yesterday, But I believe sheís come to the conclusion that everyone on this Board hates her so I donít know if she will come back here. confused Best we can do now is Cross our fingers and hope she clues into something. I do think we should continue the Too discussion with her if its still in her mind. however long it takes to get her to understand that a too will not work for her. She did minimal amounts of research as well. Not cluing it to her asthma and her sisters allergies and Cockatoo dust... frown , and she totally flipped when I mentioned boy toos and a womanís period. Its like at mall events I do with my birds. Everyone wants a bird that talks just because it can. I try and steer those people towards a smaller bird like a cockatiel ( there are many at the sanctuary that need a home ) and all they really care about is if the bird can talk angry I really do hate people

But we do need to try an be a firm but as nice as possible with her ( if she comes back) At least that poor too at the pet store will have another chance to end up at a GOOD home if heís sold.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 04:06 AM

Lola - couldn't agree with you more and that was the simple point I was trying to make. Obviously this young (and albeit) intelligent girl was attempting to get in over her head with no experience with (sad to say) but probably drastic results for the poor bird, herself and her family (BAD ON THE PARENTS FOR LEAVING IT UP TO THE CHILD - NO MATTER HOW INTELLIGENT SHE MAY BE!!!) - sorry, but just had to get that out....Many members in this forum tried to redirect her (I personally would have directed her to started as I did 40 years ago with "other" pets, worked my way up to smaller birds, done as she did and read, read, read and researched, before going down the road at all with avians.... I know I've repeated myself many times but have learned from many years experience (and STILL don't know ALL there is to know so count on you guys sooo much for info) My only fear (again, repeated many times...that we simply cut this girl off and she is going to be headstrong and go out and get the "poor" bird and wind up in the same scenario as the one I told you all about with the man who had the too for sale ($750/bird and cage) who was his daughter's bird and, when she left for college, the bird wound up in a cage in their basement and screamed his head off 24 hours a day - and my next comment was "Gee, I wonder why?" And, I think this little girl is headed down the same road. Many people tried to give her advice and then the conversation/feedback to her was closed. It should NOT have been. Everyone could have reinforced info, experiences, etc. that MAY have gone a long way to talking her out of this HUGE mistake....I mean, you just don't read and research and then, go to a pet store to get a too and presume you know it all!!! It takes years of growth, maturity, time, money (and the list goes on....) before you are even semi-capable of dealing with a large bird. Like I have said and tried to say many times, I totally understand how some people get angry enough to "blast" the girl, but we really, really, really could have redirected her and, hopefully educated/trained, etc. and am sitting here, as I have been for days now thinking that she was headstrong and intelligent enough to think "she knows best" and the fact that she got "cut off" will only drive her to the pet shop. Again...BAD on the parents for not educating themselves as well before allowing her to go down this road and most of the advice TRIED to warn her in the best possible way (even though she argued, debated and - even though she considered herself an educated and informed young girl) did not even scrape the surface of what she really needed to know. It gives me nightmares to re-read her posts and see that her issues are that she is not starting out "small" and working her way up but wants to "jump in at the deep end" which she has NO business doing. Sorry, don't mean to preach but this is the one and only scenario on this site that has really broken my heart because all others are genuinely pet lovers/owners, etc. and because the girl (albeit intelligent, spoiled and headstrong) was really trying her best and could have benefited by good, sound advice instead of winding up being "slammed" and cut off from the very people who could have redirected her focus.
Judging by comments and replies, some agree, some don't but my heart still aches for the poor bird that I feel pretty sure she will get anyway and BAD on the parents that they did not go behind her, look at the info, research and comments and monitor what she is attempting to do.
Thanks for taking time to listen/read this completely long post.
Luv all you guys and you have been a huge help to me and our 3 birds, 2 doggies and an aquarium full of fish, snails, etc. We are animal lovers, adopt when we can, take in strays, I am a total sucker for any type of animal be it bird, dog or whatever....that is why this is really on my mind and has been for days now....
P.S. There are several members that I would love to contact because you and they offer such excellent advice and experience. Do you know how I can do that?
Thanks, Lori, Baby and family.
Posted By: danad

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 04:27 AM

Charlie, I agree, its not Nickelodeon, but as long as you allow children to post, They should be dealt with as the child that they are. Once she started arguing back the thread should have been closed. Who's the adult? One child riled up a hornets nest on this site by making a bunch of adults so mad that they said things that were out of line and behaved like children themselves. Who got the last laugh? I am sure it is not the members of this board, or the bird that her parents probably went and got her just because a bunch of adults picked on their child. No I am sure, it was the child herself.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/04/06 04:38 AM

Danad- you are one of my best and most mature sources of information. You have given me lots of great information advice and feedback. Would you mind terribly if I got your e-mail address so I could continue to "pick your brain"? I'll be happy to give you mine....
Thanks, Lori.
Posted By: 2toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 04:03 AM

Every pet I owned before age 25, went to my mom when I moved, etc....or I had to rehome. I hope to God I am more established now....think I am, at 38, but I do know this, that no matter what happens, morbidly short of a terrible disease or something, my life cannot take any turn in which I cannot financially and most of all mentally take all animals with me. I am not in any means "rich" or anything...but I don't jump into anything that I know I can't pay for no matter what comes up...cages, toys, food, emergencies.
Now, it is the other way around, and I tend to take care of my mom's pets, and vice-versa. But I wouldn't even suggest a kitten to anyone that was so young, I am sorry, just wouldn't. I've been a "single" person and still am kind of, for a long long time. I've had a lot of friends and watched what has happened to them and their pets as they grew, moved, had babies, whatever life changes happened-I've watched my friends grow and change and have to get rid of pets due to moving, boyfriends, kids, work, etc.
BUT, I have also watched a very close family friend from the age of 12...and now 36. She has taken her animals with her all along. And she was just in the local paper for graduating from Veterinary school in Virginia and STILL has her African Grey. So , not ALL is to be lost on these children/young adults.
I agree though with everything...and just too young, probably a lot of us though think we can handle all upcoming problems or changes in our lives, but I think a lot of us can't if we think about it.
Life comes at you FAST...and when so so young...Its really tough. At 22 and taking on an M2- I beat myself up every day still about him , but I was responsible enough to find him a nice home, and fortunately even from me moving from MD to FL and back again, know that he is ok...finally. But it haunted me. And now here I am , Galah and the whole flock. And STILL making mistakes, lost my D2, etc., etc.
I don't like the spoiled American Child comment either, but sometimes it is true. Not in my case...unfortunately or I WOULD have been able to keep my M2 all those years ago...cause I would have been provided the $$$$ to be able to make the move I did and not into a crappy apartment in Florida. If I was spoiled I could have taken him with me and I would have. (Floyd, my previous M2). Spoiled, I am not- I have worked my butt off to get where I am and provide for the animals I have and my child all by myself, no support from her dad, and also am pretty much supporting my mom. She did it for me when I was young, and now I am doing it for her. NOT questioning Jerry's or anoyones comments on the matter....just well, rambling I guess!
None the less, Happy 4th to everyone on the board!
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 05:58 AM

2Toos - Kudos and hats off to you. You are obviously the type of strong, responsible person that I much admire and want to be when I grow up (only laughing now because I'm in my late 40's - actually, should I be crying yet because of my age???) You have overcome adversity and done it WELL!!!! As is apparent by the sharing of your story and your life. You are obviously strong, independent and I wish we were all that way. You obviously have a lot to offer to the world around you, your animals, avians, yourself and I sincerely hope you know and recognize the inner strength you convey. Thank you soooo much for your input. It is valued, as it should be from such a strong source. Anyone who knows you should consider themselves lucky. Thanks and keep in touch.
Lori, Baby and family.
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 05:58 PM

I just gotta add my two cents.... :rolleyes:

I could be wrong, but I get the feeling this person is a troll. Sometimes her language was extremely "mature" and other times it wasn't. Alot of things didn't add up either. Besides, how can mommy afford to shell out over two grand for that bird when daddy had the cable cut off because it costs to much?? confused

With school out now, I picture a bored teenager or two sitting around the computer having what they consider a good time and now they are probably watching this thread and watching adults arguing, etc.... cool

I could be wrong, but that's my opinion
Posted By: Lori Conarro

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 07:58 PM

Troll or no troll, I think this particular topic is a good discussion. I'm 41 years old and have two daughters. They are spoiled, but nowhere near as spoiled as some. They got beater cars for thier 16th birthday and had to work and pay insurance and car repairs. They also had to keep a B average in school. They are not even as spoiled as some I've seen, the kids driving in brand new cars w/ cell phones and all, but they are more spoiled than many. Only in this day and age do some people have so much money to toss away that they will buy a 2000 dollar plus pet for a young child. Amazing.

Several years ago I bought my girls a cockatiel and a parakeet. Guess who takes care of Button and Sam? Not them! But I knew this would happen and since I have four other birds, what are two little beaks more?

It's very rare to find a child that can take care of any animal other that short term. Not saying they aren't out there, but it's rare. The puppy/kitty/birdie/bunny is cute for awhile but kids have extremely short attention spans and just about any animal will outlive that attention span.

Bunch of rambling but I guess I'm saying I agree with the opinions of those who don't think children should have "thier own" pet.
Posted By: liviray

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 08:55 PM

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I'm hoping that everyone aforementioned will recognize that you were attempting to train and redirect this young person before she got SLAMMED and will probably never visit this site again and will most likely go out and buy the poor bird because of that fact.
Her Mother is buying the bird, and the Child didnt want to listen, like most children~

All the training, guiding and well meaning people were not going to make a darn bit of difference becouse this child is selfish and unable to look at this situation with any objectivity...Its all about what she wants~
* Its called Maturity*
Posted By: alaska_toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/05/06 10:03 PM

There are many things I find disappointing in regards to Galahgirl. First off is that her parents would even let her entertain the thought of bringing home such a creature as a RB2. Second is that she was allowed on the internet long enough to type out as many replies as she did without their knowledge. Third is that her parents were not the ones here asking for the information regarding the maintenance and upkeep on such a bird. Lastly, is that they would even give her the hopes that she would get this bird for a ďbirthday presentĒ. All we can hope for at this point is that she was upset enough to tell her parents about this, they came here to read the thread that she started and responses that she was given. That they then look at all the information given and tell her a firm ďNOĒ to bringing the bird home.

I tried my best to (politely) persuade her in the direction of not getting the bird. I am owned by a RB2 and even as much as I love Tinkerbell to death, just because he is pink and has a thingy that goes up and down on his head does not make him a good pet.

If cable TV is too expensive, how can they afford a $300 well bird check up? Heaven forbid that the bird gets sick. I can remember very recently paying over $700 in two days at the vets office in regards to my birds.

I can see it now, she will get the bird for her birthday. In a short matter of time she will be back asking questions to try and help her bird, or better yet, her parents will be here asking questions about why the bird that they bought their daughter has turned into a monster and bites everyone that it comes in contact with..... confused
Posted By: jm47

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 12:30 AM

What she really wants, and doesn't realize it, is a puppet, and the skill to use it properly. A nice, pink puppet to match her favorite piece of clothing, and look cute.
This would be the perfect gift for her, and should come with a lot of encouragement to learn how to use it well.
Unfortunately, her teachers and possibly her parents have been duped into the idea that "she's so intelligent, she can do/be anything she wants". So they try not to ever tell her "NO".
This is sad, because if she grows older without learning to deal with the various "NO" answers in life, she won't grow up. I know far too many 40, 50, even 60 year old brats who were convinced at an early age that because they were "intelligent" they could do anything, even (gulp) run their own lives! They never really managed to get enough real life experience to do anything except insist on their own way about stuff. The trails they leave behind them are littered with broken marriages, abandoned toys, pets, spouses, and children.

Child rearing is not a new problem, but today's educational system seems to compound the problem badly by overemphasizing certain intellectual skills, and ignoring the possibility that wisdom does NOT equal knowledge.
Posted By: JoonieBird

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 01:20 AM

jm47 brought up a very valid point, about accessorizing, and I think I will give it a name: The Paris Hilton Syndrome.

Didn't Ms. Hilton get a new chihuahua because the first chi gained a few ounces and became a burden to carry around, weighing in at 3 whopping pounds? Now she has a 2 pound pooch.

Another thing I've noticed about some of these personae who check in here and check out really fast when we don't give them a parade, is their screen name. "GalahGirl" wasn't about the bird, it was about the kid. I've noticed that almost everyone here goes by a handle like MurphysMom, Belongs2Sammy, WillieandPhoebe and MrMollieMom, just to name a few. It's about the bird.

Charlie, Jerry, and Andrea just cut to the chase being the straight forward, down to earth folks that they are. (Forgive me for the analysis, I majored in psychology. Sometimes I just can't help myself from pondering the little details.) Just an observation on my part.

But statements like "I'm GalahGirl because I love Galahs hence the name" doesn't sit well with me. And I think it's because of the selfishness I sense, and I'm sure it affected a number of you as well.

"Spoiled" doesn't begin to describe GalahGirl's situation. It was more like arrogant disregard for anyone with experience.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 01:25 AM

Lena - totally agree... She was offerred some good advice and thought she "knew better" because of the fact that she is "smart" and could get it all out of a book without any experience at all. My biggest wish is that we could have gotten her parents on-line or on board and educated THEM because whose fault is it any way....???? Hers? I think not. It is her parents for being ignorant as to avians, especially larger ones and toos and to actually think "their kid" is so "smart" they would leave it in her hands. As I've said before, the whole thread gave me, and still does, nightmares because of the way the whole thing was cut off before getting the - LOL in a sarcastic way - "responsible adults" on line where they could have had the benefit of all of the excellent advice and experience. I mean, really, who lets a 12 year old girl (so matter how smart and intelligent) do all the research, decision-making, etc. without parental guidance and research on their own) .... I know MINE never did - - - funny aside? I'm 45 years old and they still don't!!! LOL. They still offer good advice, suggestions, research and share all of that and their years of experience with me...I value it! Am coming to the point that I really agree with the "spoiled" comment since the more I think about it, it seems that the parents are not "parenting" but letting this "child" run "wild" on her own so-called intellectual abilities and not monitoring, curbing, discipling (whatever you want to call it) and have left it up to her. I mean, who is the parent here and who is training whom????
Thanks, Lena - excellent feedback.
Lori, Baby and family.
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 06:18 AM

Ooops and P.S. - when people asked GalahGirl how could they contact her, what did they mean and how did they do it? I've been told that we are not allowed to publish our e-mail addresses here (so noted) so how did they do it?
Just a question as I really do not know and did not see any personal info exchanged?
Help on this one?
LoriL
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 07:14 PM

Hi. frown
GalahGirl
Posted By: motherof4

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 08:06 PM

HI everyone
in response to what you all have been saying about Galahgirl, well I know this young girl, she is very intelligent and when she was asking questions she was needing information. after all if her mind was made up she would have just bought one and not bothered with asking for anyones advice....spoiled not in the least, she comes from a middle class family,they do the best they can to clothe and take care of her and make her happy aswell as the other 3. She because of some nice people on the message board, took into consideration what was told her and all her research, decided not to purchase a cockatoo but instead maybe a conure. I just had to put my 2 cents in cause you see this girl is my daughter and she isn't a troll by any means. just a plain simple intellingent respectful young lady that was wanting guidance...thanks for all who helped her and the rest well I think you know.... <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: wishfull

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 08:07 PM

Hi Galahgirl, welcome back. And fair do's to you for making yourself known again after what must be a difficult post to read.
I think this means you may genuinely want to learn, and prepare yourself many years in advance for possibly, one day, in the long term future, becoming carer to a Galah? I do hope so. Does any of what you have read make sense? Again, I hope so, even if it may have been hard to take. People DO speak the truth here, but in the end, not only the bird benefits, you do to. :)Stick with us and learn, and ask, and ask, and ask.
smile

edit..crossposted (is that the term?) with GalahGirls mamma.
Posted By: danad

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 08:57 PM

Hi galah girl, I am glad that you came back and brought your mom to the site too. I was afraid that you had been ran off. I am so happy to hear that you have decided on a conure, I am in no doubt that when you are older you will be able to take care of a galah, if you decide to. I am almost 40 and just got my too's from a rehab and they are alot of work, I just hope that I can give them all they need at my age. My advantage is I am a stay at home mom and I have 4 children and it takes all of us helping each other. It took a lot of courage for you to come back and yeah for your mom, for taking up for you.
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 09:23 PM

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I just had to put my 2 cents in cause you see this girl is my daughter and she isn't a troll by any means. just a plain simple intellingent respectful young lady that was wanting guidance...thanks for all who helped her and the rest well I think you know....
I'm glad to see an adult from the household speak up... and be willing to come here and read through the initial responses that were given. (Just in case you didn't see the original thread...)
http://www.mytoos.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000593

The word "troll" is regarding someone who posts simply to get everyone riled up, and is usually not the "real" person they claim to be. In the years that this board has existed, there have been hundreds - if not thousands of them who have made their way through here. It had crossed a couple of our minds that perhaps this was not actually a 13yo girl, but some sort of trouble-maker posing as one. I hope you understand that we are not calling your child a "troll"...

Although this is a forum about Cockatoos (mainly large ones) specifically, please do keep in mind that just because a bird is smaller does not make it trouble-free. A Conure will still need a varied diet of fresh whole foods (not just seeds). It will still require attention and cleaning up after (changing food/water bowls a number of times daily).

A Conure will still live for (from what I understand) 20, 30, 40 years, so it is still a long-term committment. Avian Veterinary costs are still very high - and necessary. Each year the Conure will need a check-up, and if accidents happen, there would be more cost of course.

Conures have shrill and LOUD calls! If noise is not an issue, fine. But be forewarned that the noise they can emanate is a HUGE reason why there are thousands of Conures sitting in RESCUES - given up by their original families (and perhaps a few families after that). I took some footage of some feral Conures in our back yard. They're at the very back of the property at the fence line, and I took the footage from INSIDE my house, so the noise was diminished compared to what it sounds like outside with them. (My presence outside would have made them take off...)
http://parrotphotos.us/movies/conures112104b.mov

So while a Conure is a smaller parrot, PLEASE do your homework and realize that when buying one from a pet shop or breeder, you may be leaving another wonderful bird sitting alone in a shelter - while contributing to the parrot overpopulation problem. I'm glad you both came here to find out more, and hope you continue to educate yourselves so you can make the best decision for both your family, AND the welfare of a bird.

Lynne
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 09:57 PM

GalahGirl and Mom - so glad you came back and that your parents are, obviously, involved and helping your research. I'm really glad that you decided that a 2 was going to be too much for you and that you have decided to start out smaller and, hopefully, with adoption. Again, as everyone has said, don't just jump in, without reading and research.
Maybe volunteer at a local rescue center, Humane Society, etc. to gain experience, etc. before getting one of your own... smile
I am biased in favor of tiels because that was my first bird and it was GREAT!! Although, I was 22 years old at the time!!! Our family still has a tiel who is now 12 years old and sweet as can be. (Mom, all of these birds live a long time and you have to consider who will be there to take care of them when you go out of town, vacation, etc.) My husband and I now (because of our U2) cannot even go out of town at the same time because I do not know anyone I would trust enough to take care of her while we are gone...kids simply can't do it and most older people (unless you really know someone who knows your bird and is good with them) cannot either... frown - Others here may be able to offer better info in that regard but I, personally, don't know anyone I would trust with my Baby. You certainly cannot leave a large bird in a cage for a week and just have someone come over once or twice a day to change food, water and clean the cage.
Also, what are you going to do when GalahGirl goes to college?
My 18 year old son is "special needs", just graduated high school and has been put in "charge" of cage cleaning. The birds love him and he loves them. He handles them (under supervision) and I have cautioned him with all of the good advice I have gotten from members of this board.
Sorry for rambling but I am soooo happy that you came back and shared with us that you have listened, learned and are going to start in another (smaller) direction and - if you keep up your love of birds - hopefully add to your avian family after a GOOD NUMBER of years and life experiences and when you are truly ready to move on.
I think most of us (not all) are a lot older and have been "around the block".
Sorry also if some of the remarks seemed so "strong" - mine included. But, we all feel strongly about this and wanted to ensure that the message got across. Our first and foremost priority is the bird (sorry) and also did not want to see another sad story about children who have been severely injured.
Sorry to ramble and GOOD for you for coming back, listenening and also sharing your new plans. I'm sooo happy you did so smile smile
Lori, Baby and family
Posted By: wishfull

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/06/06 10:53 PM

Thanks for joining in Momof4, it did concern me that such a young pwrson was posting on a mainly 'adult' message board, even though I know its not one of 'those' boards....
(Im a foster parent by vocation, so I worry about the young'uns, a lot)
Kudos to your daughter for coming back! (am not even sure what 'kudos' means, I think its mainly an American term, Im English, though I gather it means 'acclaim'??)
I hope you both stay.....
Posted By: 2toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 01:15 AM

Kudos to all of you! Lets just all help each other. I feel like such a novice, because I do have a galah but she is still a baby....supposedly a year and a half although my vet suspects older...so I do not have ANY idea what she will do later in life! I am personally up for the challenge. Many I think look at these little pink beauties with a cute crest as a "large tiel", maybe (?)...I kind of still do....but know better because I see the signs of her getting "bossier" and all those Too traits- my daughter can't handle her anymore which I didn't think would happen, but she is "nippy" at times, and it takes confidence to not be afraid of that, which my 10 yr old dosen't have...and Sydney zooms right in on that hesitance from my daughter and is more than happy to over-power her. But that bird is my pet, not hers. So a different situation.
I am glad Galah Girl has come back and researched before she jumped in! Very glad. And her mom too... It even overwhelmes me at many times, when I realize that for the rest of my life I am responsible for these babies of mine, and to be quite honest...knowing the dogs will not outlive the birds although I LOVE my dogs...it would be easier for me without all of them (the mix of Greyhounds, and birds, just dosen't work easily)...but when the dogs go to the rainbow bridge, they will not be replaced. Sad for me, but taking on the birds has made me realize it would be easier to just have one or the other. Its a heck of a lot of work, and I have "signed up for life" with these birds , and sometimes it hits me and I think "what the heck was I thinking"!??! But those moments are few, but when you really start thinking about it, its quite a scarey thought! I love them though, even if they turn on me, I will love them. And my YNA and the TAG that hates me still, are going to have the best I can possibley give. And I will have many bleeding bites from those 2! But when I see how happy they are here it makes it all worth while!
On a different note, my daughter HAD to have a hamster....just had too. Shes mine now...I clean her, feed her, take care of her and now whenever my daughter mentions an animal- I have proof with the hamster that she isn't ready!! But thats different than this post.
Just glad to see everything is working out. Even though people here may be harsh, it obviously comes with experience....and everyone is only thinking about the birds as it should be on this site...and I think in this case helped a very intelligent young girl And her parents make a very wise decision.
I think if the parent's are involved thats the main thing, because ultimately that pet may end up (and probably will) with parent's taking care of it....which may not be such a bad thing! And "the parents" may not have known what was involved either, and now it seems they do. So yay! A "cute, pink, small bird" dosen't seem to most as being much trouble at all! But I can tell you, they are mischevious little things! And they need to RUN RUN RUN around the floor, they need to play, they need a huge cage, lots and lots of toys and of course LOTS of attention! And it isn't always rewarded with cuddles....sometimes a nice little nip! They are such playful things (As I am watching Sydney, screaming and going bonkers, laying on her back with a toy in her "hands" with her wings covering it)- I can't even tell you how cute it is, but its also LOUD! And , she needs to come out and play again before she goes to bed.
Anyway, I am glad that Galah Girl and her mom came back- and I applaud you Mom of 4 and Galah Girl for having her mom speak up. And to do this before you actually go buy one....good for you! I hope you can find a rescue...even humane society....I encourage you go go to Petfinders.com, put in you zip code and you will find LOTS of birds there that are in need of a nice home. It will pop up rescues, and humane societies in your area.
I must add to the "Paris Hilton syndrome"!!! I think though with that situation, no matter what those dogs are quite pampered- and not many of us are that spoiled!!! I wish I was though! And I'd like to be Paris' Tinkerbell, even if she got another one! That dog has more expensive outfits than I will ever have, and seems to be very loved, even though she may be a bit heavier to carry around! That dog probably has her own personal assistant!!
Anyway- good luck with whatever you choose Galah Girl and Mom of 4. Your Galah Girl reminds me a lot of myself when I was that age. I am sorry if you and your little girl felt slammed. But trust me, you have to understand the plight of these birds and the passion of the people that are specifically on this board and not take it to heart. I think your little girl sounds very intelligent and responsible, and I am just glad that you have been brought onto this site with her. I just as a parent myself, and knowing my past history....know that whatever I let my daughter decide to have that I may end up responsible for that pet at some point, and a Too is a huge responsiblity.
I battle with my child to stay off "bad sites" on the computer....and yours has chosen a good one. So, I am impressed.
Posted By: 2toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 01:28 AM

Oh and LoriL (sorry to all for posting back to back) THANK YOU!
I've worked really hard and struggled a lot- and its really nice that you said those kind words to me! I really appreciate it. Actually made my crazy day at work all worth while! Thank you so much! I just say the truth and say what I feel...and I am grateful for any recognition at all! I have been a bumbling mess since deciding to add birds into my life (yet again 15 yrs after I tried it once!) ...its been a whirlwind, but well worth it! Thank you.
I don't often feel like I have a lot of words of wisdom sometimes to add to posts, and hope that when I try that it makes sense! I speak from my heart and from my experiences- both when I was "young" and now "older". So thank you very much.
Danielle
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 03:05 AM

Ok....perfect response from hellobaby....and very nice words LoriL....

ok...ONE post from Mom....sorry, now I really think there's a troll in the house....besides, if this "Cindy" is not a troll nobody said she wasn't intelligent....still not adding up, sorry...all I gotta say about it -- not playin' and for a little background about me...I am a school bus driver of many many many years....I have seen and heard everything, some you wouldn't even believe (while going 55 mph down the highway--with my back to them, lolol)....I LOVE kids (got four of my own and 150 others for 10 months a year, year after year for years).....I KNOW kids...and kids LOVE playing games eek

ps. I know you know what peripherial vision is, right?? Well, usually that is from the sides of your eyes, right?? Well, after just a couple of years of bus driving you develop peripherial vision from the TOP and BOTTOM of your eyes that is waaayyy better than from side to side, just a little bus driver FYI <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: 2toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 03:39 AM

I am now totally confused...but maybe I am just stupid myself...I don't know. My mom drives a school bus, my mom's best friend who is older, has also driven a school bus for , well 20+ yrs, and my aunt is a teacher, my best friend works with special needs kids, and , well, I've grown up with lots of those rascally things (kids/pre-teens), steps, half-brothers, etc.. with day care for my own ...and volunteer with one of my greyhounds at my daughter's day care center. I don't know, but I am confused.
I don't understand how that is really relevant, but I guess I am just not able to sniff out a troll or something (?). If so, well, time wasted I guess, but at least no one serious about getting a bird. If not a troll, than maybe all is well.
I don't know- but I don't see it. But , if the troll brought up spoiled American Brats for children, than I don't care, cause I am not and I don't think that a lot of us are.
I don't like to be combative, and I am not trying to be but now this all seems absurd....unless it has indeed helped someone not go out and purchase a too. If there is a 1 percent chance that happened, than who cares. If 99% troll, than well, I wasted a few minutes. And maybe someone else may read and learn.
Pheew....don't know what to say...except maybe she posed and posted as her mom...I get that could be possible. It is the internet. Anyone on here could be embelishing stories, lying, who knows. But, even if so, hopefully at the responses, maybe one person may read it and learn something. Guess its a chance that we HAVE to take , for the sake of the birds.
Have to add...you are promoting breeding of French bulldogs, different I realize, but still....
Don't get me wrong, your website is beautiful, your pugs are beautiful...and your frenchies are awesome....but I have to add that and I am not trying to be nasty...just as an avid Greyhound Rescue, dogs are a touchy subject with me as well, although totally off the topic of Toos. And I realize, much different. But, there are dogs out there too in need of rescue. I am being much more "fighty" than I like to be and for probably no good reason. So, I apologize and really honestly mean no harm. But my POINT is, troll, no troll....reading this thread without turning it into craziness, could be seen by anyone considering a Too. Hope I make sense.
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 04:00 AM

Read it all again....oh nevermind...you are right...it's all for the well-being of the birds....
smile
Wow...that's awesome that your Mom and her best friend are drivers too!!! And your Aunt is a teacher....let them read the post from start to finish and see what they say. wink Not trying to get in an argument with you (and I am sure the trolls are laughing at this)....lololol....To help your confusion all I was saying is generally we who deal with children in large masses are pretty good at recognizing imposters. That's all I can say.

And by way the Frenchies aren't mine, they are my mom's....she is totally into them. Has been for years. Her name is Cheryl, Grandma Cheryl. Three of my four pugs are rescues, from horrible puppy mills, boy can we tell you stories about that, if you would like to hear them??.

I also have several animals rescued from the animal shelter, rescue leagues and private rescues who were almost put down, if you noticed from my links on my webpage. We (meaning, me and my children) also volunteer at a private rescue and walk hunting dogs many many miles a day. And I will tell you another thing about me....my dad's side of the family is from Mobile Alabama where they race dogs, greyhounds!...and I argue CONSTANTLY with them about how terribly cruel and wrong that is...but then again, if you know anything about Mobile Alabama, we have many arguments about RACISM too!! Totally don't understand that either...

I also don't like to be "fighty" so before you go judging me by my website, please understand I posted my web address out of generosity and love of my family and animals not to be attacked by it...perhaps it was a mistake to be so honest and sharing...I am terribly offended and will remove my web address from my profile....

I simply came to this forum to share my thoughts and excitement about my new rescued bird (and I can't help it if other animals come into the stories too)...

we could talk about the story in tonights news: NAKED YOGA!!!
Posted By: motherof4

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 04:29 AM

Hi All smile
yeah it's me again. thanks for all the nice comments I enjoy reading them all. I usually don't go to message boards and am usually quiet if I do I just look for information on the post to fit my situation and ask questions if needed. Take care all..oh you can reach me if you want to email me at I think there was someone wanted to get in touch. thanks again.

alaska_toos has removed your email address.
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 04:36 AM

lololol

This is perfect, go to "Today's Announcements" and read "Need your kind input" it's perfect....
Posted By: LoriL

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 06:40 AM

Sorry - but have read the latest discussion input.
To hellobaby - the definition of troll was new to me. I just learned it after seeing posts on this site. Honestly, I did not know there were actually people out there who would do such a thing and, if you look at my bio, you will see that I am NOT one of them. I am serious about this and looking for all advice and suggestions I can get from more educated, advanced and experienced members. I don't think there are any trolls on this thread but, hey, what do I know? smile
I feel confident that GalahGirl and her mom were not "trolling". I know I'm not and will be happy to share any and all personal info to ensure that you know I am not. P.S. Kudos to you, again, for all of your personal experience, etc.
2toos - Kudos to you as well for the dogs. I have seen lots of TV specials (one on greyhounds) and have been involved with dogs all my life (my dad, who is now 80 years old was raised with dogs of all kinds, owned and loved them, etc. etc. etc. - I was born in Mobile, AL) However this is a topic for another site, not this one as it is devoted to birds and if you have a weblink address to a "dog" site, please share, (if you can do it on this site.)
Lena - you are so right about the topic on "Need your kind input. I did not feel qualified to respond but would love to know where the child lived so I could research and, hopefully, provide some - albeit - limited and inexperienced advice....If not advice, then maybe some links for info.

I can simply assure you that I, personally, am not a "troll", not here to stir up debates and arguments. Am here for advice and input.
Still, as always, kudos to all of you for your kind input and advice. This thread was absolutely not initiated to incite anyone but was done in all possible good will to simply get a young girl away from making the possibly biggest mistake of her life and the bird's life and redirect and educate her which was my originally intended purpose.
Sorry if it caused so much debate, discussion and angst.... I really just became concerned that she may have been going down a "bad" road with too large of a "first" bird and wanted to do as we all do and educate, redirect, inform, etc. as all of you want to do as well.

Thanks to you all....Lori, Baby and family.
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 03:28 PM

Lori, nobody thinks you are a troll honey...everything is fine...
smile
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 09:12 PM

Yeah, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone because I totally missed anyone saying LoriL was a troll. When did this happen?

Lynne

*Beware eBay user brainyshop, imagestore, 99store.
All 3 are the same entity and ripped me off! Spread the word!
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/07/06 09:23 PM

Hi,

How is everyone, and the birds, and pets, of course? I have seen some conures on the rescue sites, and seem like sweet little ones. I hope you all have a nice day.

GalahGirl
Posted By: wishfull

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 12:46 AM

Im lost now frown
I will follow my silly, big soft heart and go with my emotions. i may be an idiot, but i will try and be a friend to GG. Who am I to judge? I want, simply, to do right by bird carers, and birds. I have no idea whats going on, Im so confused. BUT i hope GG (Cindy, as she called herself to me, thats why I used the name) is real. If I get egg on my face, then it will wash off eventually. I just cant judge. So I choose to welcome. Until...... But welcome it is, from me.
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 01:24 AM

Good to hear GG. I hope you get take a day and go visit some rescue birds in person. I think you and your parents will quickly understand why we are so passionate about this subject.

Lynne
Posted By: Taffy Too

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 03:06 AM

Well, I am about to strangle my Goffins for biting the back of my neck and putting band aids on my fingers, my friend is treating a pionus for asper and her cape may have PDD frown Both of her birds are less than 2 years old frown She is spending $$$$ for these guys. She just lost a budgie and a greencheek last year. My point is, Parrots are hard work eek We are both 50 so we know what hard work is but this is crazy! I will never buy another bird, they are not good pets, they need to be free smile
Posted By: Charlie

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 03:40 AM

Well put, from one fifty something to another. smile
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 07:26 AM

Hi all, wink
I am still looking for a bird, and there are so many sweet little birds! smile How am I to choose? They are cute, and I don't want one to miss out on a chance of getting a home. frown
GalahGirl laugh
<img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: Stormy

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 12:53 PM

You don't pick out the bird you want, the bird will pick you out!! Just wait, you will know exactly what I mean when it happens!! smile
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 06:06 PM

Stormy's right. When you visit these birds in person, one will find YOU and you'll just KNOW.

Lynne
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 09:50 PM

Hi, wink
smile
So, it should be pretty easy. laugh What if there is more than one that likes you? What do you do? I do not mean for it to sound like I am not listening. I am so sorry if I am bothering you all with my constant questions.. :rolleyes:
GalahGirl <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/08/06 11:32 PM

Well, you just have to keep in mind that you can't be the angel for all of them. While you may take a liking to more than one, I haven't heard of too many people who have made that "connection" we're speaking of with more than one animal/bird on one occasion. It's something very difficult to understand, but when it happens, you'll have what Oprah likes to call a "lightbulb moment". wink Have you figured out what rescue you might visit?

Lynne
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/09/06 12:00 AM

HelloBaby, I have been thinking about the one in Knoxville, but there are several others, too. smile I e-mailed a shelter. laugh I think I found one, but I still want to see the bird first, like you all said. wink Here is the link:
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=6085607 <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

The bird has the same name as our ferret..lol.
GalahGirl smile
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/09/06 01:30 AM

Unless there is a "satellite" to the rescue you linked to, that one is in Ohio. I looked up a few rescues in your state and some surrounding, as I don't know exactly how far you are from any of the border states. However, when you contact these places, be sure to ask them if they adopt to people who are not within the same state. Some have a radius of miles, and some are strict to adopt only to those in the same state as the rescue (legal purposes).

Dickson, TN:
http://www.angelrescue.com/

Knoxville:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=252033&ck=

Lebanon, TN:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=16294&ck=

Louisa, VA:
http://www.projectperry.com/

Arlington, VA & Waynesville, NC
http://www.phoenixlanding.org/

Ark, VA:
http://www.rescueme.org
http://www.rescueme.org/contact.htm

LaGrange, GA:
http://www.separrots.org

Huntsville, AL:
http://www.parrotsr4ever.com/index.aspx

Didn't find any in Kentucky or Mississippi.

I cannot speak for the legitimacy of these rescues. They're just rescues I found listed around on the 'net. But they are there for you to contact.

Lynne

*Beware eBay user brainyshop, imagestore, 99store.
All 3 are the same entity and ripped me off! Spread the word!
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/09/06 06:29 PM

Thanks. That helps a lot. laugh
GalahGirl smile
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/12/06 08:30 PM

I found several sweet little birds, and they are all pretty far away, but I could still probably visit them. They seem so sweet and adorable. Thank you all.
Cynthia/ Cindy
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/12/06 09:03 PM

Thanks hellobaby for the links...found Phoenix Landing and they are having a seminar in Springfield, Virginia, on Saturday that we are planning on attending, me, wayne and the children...it sounds very interesting. Thank you so much, will let you know how it goes!!
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/13/06 10:34 PM

Hi, everyone, smile

I have good news. I think I got a job, or two! wink My mother is considering letting me babysit, so I have been reading up on that, along with looking up birds, and information on them. Also, I called yesterday, about assembling magnets and crafts at home, and being paid for it. The brochure will be here in about six days. laugh I am so excited. Also, my birthday is in like eleven days, so that should get me some more money for the bird. Thank you all for your help, and I have looked up things on birds, and turned them into outlines, then I save them, and I have six of them. If anyone thinks that I need to know about a certain subject on budgies, then, please, do not hesitate to say! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> I have two about food, three about things to avoid with birds, and one about symptoms of sickness in birds. These are the topics:

Causes of Death in Budgies, and other Parrots(things to avoid with birds)

What a Budgie can Eat (Like fruits, vegetables, and plants)

Signs of a Sick Bird

Metals That are Toxic to Birds

Fruits That Have too Much Acid for Birds

Toxic and Un-Toxic Plants for Birds

Seeds and Pits That are Toxic to Birds

Well, that is it. Thanks.
GalahGirl smile

P.S. They are all numbered BirdResearch1-7, and I need to make a BirdResearchGuide, so I will know which one is which, so I won't have to look at them ALL to figure it out..lol.
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/17/06 06:21 PM

Hi, everyone,

We have been taking care of a stray dog for a while, now, and she brought three puppies to us. One looked like her, and the other two had more white, like her. She is mostly white. Well, anyway, they had to cross the street to get here, and two of the pups got scared, and ran back to wherever they stay. One pup, though, went across with his mom, and came here with her. The puppy that came, we named him Butch, went over to us, when called, and crawled up in my lap. Then, the mom, we named her Maisy, left us with him, and hasn't been back since. We had to sleep in the room with him, since he is still young. Not even weaned yet, and playful, too. We are hoping his mom will come back, though.

GalahGirl smile
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/17/06 11:23 PM

ahhh that's cute
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/18/06 03:52 AM

Hi, everyone,

Yep, his mom came back today, but it took FOREVER to get him to go with her. He just kept coming back. Over and over, and OVER again..lol. smile Also, he doesn't just have two other siblings. He has FIVE. That is six puppies in all! Well, have a nice day all. God bless.
GalahGirl
P.S. I can sleep tonight...lol.
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/18/06 09:23 PM

Hi, All,

I miss Butch. I know he is better off with his mom, who, is trying to wean him, but I still miss him. He does have an owner, but they don't take care of them. By the way their place looked, we don't know if they COULD afford to care for them. So, we may try to purchase them, and the mom, Maisy, as we call her, from them. That way, the animals will have a good home, and the former owners will have some extra money. Well, bye for now. Take care.

GalahGirl
Posted By: wishfull

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/18/06 09:56 PM

Hi my friend. Perhaps you and your Mum could offer a gift instead of money if you wish to take this dog on? Offer a trade perhaps, ciggarettes, shopping vouchers, anything that MAY prevent these possibly struggling people from having cash to squander, possibly even on another young dog that in a week or so's time they MAY struggle to feed? (This is ALL supposition, they culd be loaded and take great care of their pets...but...from what you are saying, Id be leary of passing cash.)
Just an idea to think about...
Any news on the little budgie? I know she captured your heart, its amazing how something so tiny can grab us isnt it smile I still think she is yur guide, she will help lead you to the perfect partnership...
Anne xxxx
Posted By: Murphymum

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/18/06 11:40 PM

Welcome back, GalahGirl. PLEASE don't buy this dog and all her pups. You say you have a ferret, a kitten and a cat right now, and you're looking to "ADOPT" a bird. Maybe you should read the thread on "collecting". wink If you feel the animals aren't being cared for properly, call the SPCA or whatever agency in your area investigates cruelty to animals.

Now, on a separate note... May I make a suggestion to the powers that be? Could we PLEASE move this discussion to a new thread? It has nothing to do with the original question and I'd rather see another title than the original title of this thread.

Cindy
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/19/06 01:29 AM

Hi, everyone.
My mom said we may have to call the ASPCA. I know, we must, but I will miss them so. Well, anyway, as for the budgies, it is going okay. I am convincing my father to let me have one, so it is good. Also, I got the brochure, and it sounds great. I think my mom will let me do it. Well, thank you for all of your help, and the presentation, which I am using to convince my father, has thirteen slides. I got together a trio, but I call it The Budgie Chorus, and a cheer, too. I call it The Budgie Cheer...lol. Well, I have signs, and I did have seat markers, so I may make some more. Also, I may do the ticket thing again. Oh, I forgot to mention that this will be my third presentation in five days, so I have been SO busy. I have been making presentations, but this is the biggest one. I hope it works, so please wish me luck. Bye for now.
GalahGirl
Posted By: MeatballAmouri

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/20/06 07:01 PM

theres just one thing i dont understand about all of this... forgive me for being nosy, but i dont get why you would be allowed to get a cockatoo, but you have to do a lot of convincing in order to get a budgie? i read your other topics and such and im very glad you decided to adopt a budgie though smile so good luck with the presentations, i hope they go well

~Maria-Giuseppe
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/21/06 01:21 AM

MeatballAmouri,
Welcome to the message boards! The reason, is because, I was doing research on the cockatoo, and decided, that I didn't want one, so I didn't tell my dad about them. I told my dad about the budgie, and mom thinks I will get one. I am so excited, now. My birthday is in four days! Well, I hope you all have a nice day, and, once more, welcome to the board MeatballAmouri! smile
GalahGirl
Posted By: MeatballAmouri

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/21/06 04:08 PM

ooh okay, that makes sense... well, like i said, im really glad you decided against a cockatoo and decided to get a budgie... they're really great little birds smile im feeling excited for you. i remember my first budgie...

thanks for the warm welcome smile

~Maria-Giuseppe
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/21/06 07:28 PM

Hi,
I checked out a local rescue in Knoxville, they told me where their birds were, and they only had three. There were two pearl cockatiels, and, luckily, a "parakeet", or budgie. They only have one, so I am really excited. Also, my birthday is in three days. I found a veterinarian that will take birds, so everything is going great. I hope you all have a nice day.
Cynthia/Cindy
Posted By: hellobaby

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/21/06 08:06 PM

I'm sooooo glad to hear that you've lined up a rescue with some potential birds and an Avian Vet! You must be so excited! Please let us know how everything goes, and if I'm somehow not online in time - Happy Birthday!

Lynne
Posted By: wishfull

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/21/06 08:14 PM

That is wonderful news! Im so excited for you, I know how much this means to you and I cant wait for an update!
Posted By: alaska_toos

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/22/06 04:05 AM

Iím very happy to hear that you found a budgie that needs a home.

I thought of you today, I went into the local animal shelter (I was looking for a sheltie) since they had not updated their web page in a few days. After going through the doorway that leads to where the dogs are, the first thing I saw was a cage with four budgies in it waiting to find their forever home.

Good luck
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/22/06 05:02 PM

Thank you all. My father has the van, which is the only vehicle we can take, since it only has four seats, and it is packed with his stuff, and we need five. My father will return on my birthday, or the day before, which is Sunday, and most things are not open. He went to an out of state auction. I will try to get them to take me on my birthday, Monday. Well, thank you all again, and have a nice day.
GalahGirl
Posted By: Garnet

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/23/06 05:57 AM

Welcome back, GalahGirl. PLEASE don't buy this dog and all her pups. You say you have a ferret, a kitten and a cat right now, and you're looking to "ADOPT" a bird.

I'd just like to add a quick tip here for GalahGirl - be very, very careful about having a ferret and a bird in the same house. The two species are not compatible and ferrets will kill birds given the chance. It's because ferrets are instinctively predators and can quickly kill small animals like birds or rodents by grabbing them by the back of the neck.

I do keep birds and ferrets in the same house, but the birds are kept upstairs, the ferrets are kept downstairs and the two never meet. I put a tall metal gate between the levels so the ferrets can never get to where the birds are. I also usually let the ferrets out for playtime at night after the birds have gone to bed.

Best of luck to you and your (future) budgie!
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 07/23/06 09:43 PM

Garnet,

Thank you so much for the wise tip. I will not let my ferret hurt my sweet little bird. Nor, will the cats..lol. Thank you so much for telling me that. I really appreciate your help.

Cynthia/Cindy smile smile smile
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/05/06 03:23 PM

Hello, everyone,

I am back from West Virginia. I have been there with my family for nine days. No air conditioning, and like ninety-something degrees. Glad to be back. Lol. Returned at approximately ten last night. Well, have a nice day. Missed you all.

Your friend,
GalahGirl
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/19/06 03:59 PM

Hi, All,

I am back from the beach. I got a wooden clip-on bird there, and named her Scarlet. Lol. My two sisters got one, too. One is Rambo, and the other one, Bird Bird. Lol. Well, it is nice to be back. We returned at about one o'clock in the morning. Where is everyone? I have not recieved any replies for some time, now. Well, have a nice day, everyone.

GalahGirl
Posted By: Murphymum

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/19/06 08:54 PM

She's baaaa- laugh aaaack.

Edit to add: Hello GalahGirl.
Posted By: Callie and Michelle

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/19/06 10:05 PM

GalahGirl, I notice you and your family travel alot, not condusive with bird ownership at all. Who will look after your little one when you are vacationing, or at sleepovers etc.? A wooden clip on bird is all good at the beach, but a real one is not. You really need to think about how you are going to spend your time on weekends, christmas holidays, summer holidays, sounds like you really do not have the commitment it takes nor the authority to stay home. I'd say 99% of us on here do not get vacations away from home without our feathered friends. Think about that too. Michelle
Posted By: Lola_dup2

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/20/06 12:08 AM

GG why cant you just stick to 1 topic? personally im finding it a bit irritating that you have to keep 3 topics going with the same replys.
Posted By: GalahGirl

Re: ARE OTHER AVIAN LOVERS AND AMERICANS AS OFFENDED AS I WAS BY FINAL RESPONSE???? - 08/20/06 02:21 AM

Hi, all,

Murphymum, it is good to be baaaack..lol. Callie and Michelle, you will find my answer on Tweeters, the Second, and Lola, if you wish, you could just answer one subject. I missed you all.

GalahGirl
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