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Need Help with my New Cockatoo

Posted By: Stevan

Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/23/06 11:35 PM

I just got my Bare-eyed cockatoo this past sunday and was wondering if someone could give me some tips on how to get him out of being so skittish and shy. His name is Conner. He's sweet and loves to cuddle..but you can only hold and cuddle with him after you have to pick him up off the floor from him flying away at first...plus he shys away from being petted...but when he can't go anywhere else because he backed away as far as he can go..he'll let you pet him then..Please help me here!

Stevan
Posted By: Casper MSC

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 03:54 AM

Stevan

You just got him. It takes time for them to make the mental and emotional switch from where they were to where they are now. Try to image that you were forcibly taken from your home. Now you are somewhere else and everything is unfamiliar. You are not being treated badly but you think where am I, why am I here, where is everything I know? You are being given food but it is unfamiliar too. Everything feels and smells different.

Just give him treats, pine nuts, pellets if he sees these as treats. What ever he enjoys or views as a treat. Nuts usually work well. or sunflower seeds.

Sit beside his cage, read or sing to him. If he comes over to your side of the cage give him a treat. I would not try to hold him just yet. Give him time to adjust. Pressuring him will just frighten him and get you hurt. Their bites hurt like hell. ANd they bleed really well.

So the answer to your question is TIME with out pressure.

Sherrel and Casper
Posted By: Relle

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 02:27 PM

Absolute "bang on" explanation and advice smile Welcome to the board Stevan smile
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 03:49 PM

Ah..Ok...that sounds good..you are right there Sherrel.. I will try that on for size...he seems to love apple slices and will take those from my hand quick! I leave his cage open when i am in the room with him and he'll come out to the top of his cage.After a while of sitting there, He'll make a kissing sound at me and even say what sounds like " Hello" to me. All I really do in response is say "thank you Conner" to him. I do sit near his cage all day and listen to music..he'll bob up and down and even do a little birdie dance to it. He even seems to like to dance to Maria Carey! LOL... I do thank you for the advice...I will give him some more time like you told me...but i will say this...every now and again..he'll fly down to the floor on purpose without me trying to pick him up and walk over and sit on my foot. Should i give him a treat every time he does that too?

Stevan
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 04:45 PM

Absolutely Steven...

You'll want to give him treats for every step he makes towards having a friendship with you.Praise even goes along way with any parrot.Gabby,my CC2,is very skittish at times when it comes to cuddles and skritches.I just hum or sing softly to her and she then relaxes so we can spend time with each other.

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 05:12 PM

cool Jan...well right now he's sitting in my lap...he flew over to the foot of the bed and I just sat here and told him that was good...and he inched his way closer to me...now he's in my lap playing with my belt buckle...so i steal a pet here and there to let him know i am paying him some attention..He's only been here in my home for 4 days...he's still a little jumpy when i move as I guess he will be for a while. I'm just going to let him come to me for the time being before I start to offer my arm to him..but I'll wait a few weeks before i do that..I hope that with advice from you I'll become Conner's best friend! I've only ever owned a conure...mine died so i got Conner..my bare eyed 2 ..i know their behavior is alot different...so I'll need all the advice i can get...Thanks again Jan..

Stevan
Posted By: nubi

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 06:01 PM

Hello, I am also a new too owner. I had some unwanted house guest (in-laws) that needed a place to stay. When they left they left their U2 Sam behind. We live in the country and I never paid much attention to him while they were there. Once they left and I realized they abandoned him I brought his cage inside and dived into the internet for help with this newly aquired family member. I am soo thankful I found mytoos.com. I have many animals and love them all and Sam fits right in. They had a lock on his cage but my husband cut it off that first night it stays open when ever anyone is home. I am truely amazed at how much personality Sam has and I am thankful that his poor treatment has not negatively affected him. I have set an appointment with an avian vet from the list on Jerrys site. He needs to list phone numbers, it was quiet hard tracking the vet down that was closest to me. Anyway I look forward to learning from ya'll.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 08:23 PM

Stevan you will be fine.If you have any questions just ask.

What do you feed Conner?Pellets are very important but along with that fresh veggies are too.Try to get the organic veggies as they are much better for birds.I cut up fresh veggies daily and steam them in the microwave for a short time to make them a bit softer for them.I also have the bean and veggie mix that Jerry feeds and it is very easy to make and I just freexe it and take it out every night for them tto eat as well.I freeze it in idividual servings so it is much easier to serve.My birds all love it.I think you can find it in the diet section.I give them some seed for treats,sunflower seeds and millet and that kind of things.They love to eat people foods but you must be careful of salt and onions mostly.And no canned foods either because the preservatives aren't good for them.No caffine and be careful of household cleaners and fragrent thing as well...very harmfull.

Just thought I would add that incase you didn't know.Better to be safe than sorry.Lol.

Good luck.

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 08:50 PM

Janny

I give Conner a mix of vegies and seeds....I use the pellets for treats...I tried it as food at first but he wouldn't eat the pellets...so i started him with a mix of veg&seeds...he goes crazy over that...He eats the pellets as a treat...go figure..he seems to be finiky..I just found out today at lunch from an ex-employee of the petshop i got Conner from that he used not to be skittish and knew no stranger...this ex-employee also told me that a few weeks before he was let go...that Conner began acting that way...Come to find out that Conner was being mistreated and Abused by 4 of the other Employees.. when he talked to the owner about it...he was fired...the other employees still had their Jobs...so appartly his skittishness and shyness came from that...is there a way to get the playful loving and unusually friendlyness back in him...How can I make him feel like I or anyone else in my house will not abuse or mistreat him? I guess you could say i got him at the right time...sorta rescued him...I'd love to see Conner become what he was...Loving and knowing no stranger again.

Stevan
Posted By: MMM

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/24/06 11:24 PM

Hi Stevan - Welcome!

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How can I make him feel like I or anyone else in my house will not abuse or mistreat him?
Time, love and patience. There are no quick answers, but as long as you love him and keep asking questions, you'll do fine. smile

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Conner was being mistreated and Abused by 4 of the other Employees.. when he talked to the owner about it...he was fired...the other employees still had their Jobs
This is why I hate pet stores!!!! mad
Posted By: Casper MSC

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/25/06 02:49 AM

Stevan and Nubi - where are you from in Texas?
I am a Texan transplanted to Ohio. I was born in Tyler and raised in Longview. My family still lives in Texas.
Nubi - what kind of too do you have?

Stevan - sounds like you are off to a great start. Just remember to not push. Allow him to come to you. He will tell you when he is ready for more interaction. His fun-loving nature will return when his trust has been rebuilt. You said he likes the music. So sing and dance with him. Too's love drama so the sight of you singing at the top of you lungs and dancing the funky chicken will appeal to him. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> But be sure to get a video of it and put it on the photos page. laugh

Sherrel and Casper
Posted By: MissYumYum

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/25/06 02:59 AM

Hi Stevan and Nubi. Welcome to Mytoos! I've learned so much from all the fabulous people on this board! I am owned by a 7-year-old female U2 and ahev been with her now for 5 years. I am still learning how to navigate the wacky and wonderful world of these highly intelligent creatures. You are off to a great start and I am looking forward to more of your posts. By the way... I live in Texas, just north of Dallas in Plano. Where are you guys from?

Annette
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/26/06 06:12 PM

Well Miss yummyumm I myself am in Spring Texas. I love it here. Here's an up date on Conner. He's doing Great...Still skittish and shy...but seems to be adjusting to the house...He'll come out of his cage and look around. He'll even get down in the floor or fly onto the bed and explore some. when he is on the bed he runs from me...but when he is on the floor..Conner comes running over to me for me to pick him up.. he'll sit there for a few minutes and cuddle for a little then flies to his cage at the slightest move. I have gotten him a toy to go in his cage that has a bell on it that he seems to like..He'll stand next to it and bump the bell with one wing just to hear it ring..and will do it over and over.. but he has learned that if he rings it 5 times..I'll come and open his cage door. I am also doing as i was told...not pushing him to come to me.. and I am playing music for him and last night i was singing and dancing for him and he just watched and be bopped with it..He is actually starting to even show excitement when i come into the room now..I just hope that that is a sign that he is coming around..I am even trying to teach him how to say some words like good morning hello and i love you...Well i'll make sure to keep you all informed on how he is doing.. and will probly be asking even more questions as they arrive...Right now Conner is just sitting next to me on the Bed picking at my shorts...I'll reach over and pet him from time to time...but only when he bumps my hand with his beak..I'm letting him tell me when he wants to be touched. More on Conner to come as he progresses!!

Stevan
Posted By: CJM77

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/26/06 07:52 PM

Sounds like you two are doing wonderfully. Stick around and ask as many questions as you want! THis is a good group of folks. smile
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/27/06 09:35 PM

You need to be carefull he doesn't get cage bound. Some birds that are in their cage to much will not come out...I rescued a Nandy Parrot that would not come out of the cage, if you tried to get him out he would attack. I got a oven mitt and got him out of his cage and got rid of the cage. He lives on a playground now or on me, I have 9 birds in all...I rescue animals all the time, I rescued a TOO about a month ago, he had been abused and had plucked most of his feathers, the last owner ended up with 7 stitches in her nose he was a big biter, But lucky for me when we saw each other it was love at first sight, he comes right out of his cage and plays and talks up a storm with me. But if any one else comes near him he takes a attack stand. I give my animals treats when I am playing with them, when I train them they get lots of love for doing what I want, the reward for doing good is love not food....And on topic I am the other way, I spend as much time with a new animal as I can, I force them to be around me, I hold them as much as possible. This I feel lets them know they are in a warm loveing home, Yes I have been bitten many times, I have a Blue and Gold Macaw that can take a finger if it wants.. but that is the price I pay to give love to my friends. If your TOO come out of the cage and gets on you leave the room with him, don't take it back to the cage, walk around the house tell the bird in soft tones "your ok, its alright etc.." I use oven mitts and I wear a Levi jacket to handle the realy rough ones, they seem not to be able to bite thru these.. Normally in 2-3 hours we are friends, it doesn't take long, they are very smart birds..and they know fear, if you always put it back in the cage when it comes out or every one runs when it tries to fly it will learn that and be a big problem later.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 04:40 PM

Hummmm.....to force or not to force??? Ok...well Conner does stay in his cage at times and other times comes out...He seems to like one of my roommates though...So if i do force him out of his cage to be held. you are saying it is ok...I have leather gloves that are thick and Conner seems to come to me if I wear the same hat i wore when I got him. I also have the mohawk hair style and if I stand just the front of it up..He comes a runnin to me...why is that? back to forcing to be held...will forcing him out of his cage really build his trust in me? do I give him a treat for staying with me..or just lots of love? Treat or Love? now I am really confused..but I will try that...but if it gets me Conner hating me...I'll get depressed...I've always wanted a TOO and not one that'll hate me...but one that'll love me..I sing to him and dance for him..I sit on the floor by his cage and read oliver twist to him...now the Biggest question of all....What should I have Conner on or in as a living area? Cage or playground?...Now is when i really need some major feedback!

Stevan
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 04:52 PM

I have a stand made from PVC on wheels, and can roll them any where I go, You need to cage them if your not going to be in the room with them they are VERY distrutive, so at night mine get caged. Forcing him out of his cage and holding him, cooing make kissie sounds just get him away from his cage and he will bond to you..My day starts at 7am the first thing I do is get the M2 out and pull him around with me. this lets him know he doesn't always have to be on me...I always give my birds love for being with me, I give treats when I have to put them back in the cage, for one it gives them some thing to do while you slip off to some other room and hopes they will nap after, and shows them the cage is not all that bad..lol...good luck... just keep trying and every thing will be ok.. If he is bonding to one of your room mates keep them apart or he will never bond to you and even turn agressive towards you, that happened to the last owner of mine, it bonded with her husband and when she went to get him she got 7 stitches instead.
Posted By: My baby Sunshine

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 05:12 PM

Hi Stevan,
You seem like you are really trying very hard to do the right thing and getting so many opinions. I am new to this site and I have only had my C2 for almost 2 years. It takes time for them to trust you I thinks because its like taking a 2 year old from his Mommy/Daddy (previous owner), and now there in a strange place. No matter how much they may think they could like you, they are scared and confused and don't know why all this has happened. I think it takes them a little while to of watching you interact with them, see what you do around the house, watching how nice and safe feeling your are and becoming adjusted to new things, testing you by letting you pet them, coming out a little because they are curious and don't know what will come next. Each day becomes more routine, more safe, more knowledgable to them. You posted on 8/23 and today is 8/29...time is improving. This bonding time is important and you can choose the path of setting some boundaries but I never think love is
not a forced issue. This is an opinion from someone who has only had her baby for almost 2 years but I have read postings from many people with many birds with many years experience and you can do the same looking back in archives here as well as I am sure more people will post. Good Luck with you baby.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 06:02 PM

My baby sunshine you are right.It isn't okay to force anything on these parrot,birds,cockatoo's.This is not the answer especially if the guy is skittish already.You may hinder any progress towards a relationship.

What I do is centralize the cage so he can see you alot.Don't make eyecontact with them as they see this as a threat.Talk to him soothingly and sing softly to him.Leave the cage open and supervise him when it is.This way when he feels safe he comes out to you and you know it is what he wants.Reading and eating near him so he can see you is good.he will feel like visiting you on his terms in time when he is ready.

This is about trust and building a relationship.I know I don't trust people over night and if things were forced on me I would be that much more right not to trust.If someone forced you into something there would be hard feelings right.You have to think that this poor guy doesn't understand you or what you expect either.You have to learn how to adjust your behaviour to his while the trust is being built.After the relationship and trust is formed then I'd say start teaching him commands and what you expect him to try to learn.Comfort is most important.When you read by him get some parrot reading material like behaviour books for parrots."Parrot for Dummies" is awsome as well as "The Parrot Problem Solver".Both focus on positive reinforcement and this is most effective when dealing with parrots of any kind.

Try thinking as if you were a bird.They do not always understand what is going on and the fact that they don't accept change well is already a stumbling block.Think if you were a deaf mute finding yourself in a new home with new people and no way to know if these people are good or bad.If they started grabbing and pulling you out of your room,you would be pretty scarred hey.This is the same fear your new birds are feeling and to me it isn't worth putting them through.

Your relationship will come it takes time and patience.That is how a good friendship is built.

Jan
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 06:14 PM

One other thing I'd like to mention is that I have never been a fan of gloves or mitts when you are dealing with the birds.If they are shy of your hands then bigger puffier colorful hands aren't going to cut it either.

IMHO get rid of the gloves and let him trust your hands.You wearing the gloves says you expect to be bit.If you have this fear then you have to deal with that.These feathered beauties sense every emotion we feel and if he senses you fear anything he will bite you.You need to face this fearless and all apprehensions need to be put to rest.If you need protection stick training for step ups is much more effective in time.You still need him to trust you first.

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 06:32 PM

Jan

thank God I haven't tried the gloves yet! lol..was just wondering. I understand what you are saying and all that. I am trying everything possible with-out forceing him to do things. but my main question is..do you think me having a Mohawk is a fear factor for Conner?? i hope not..I love him and adore him and want him to be a happy baby. My last bird I had was a conure..she loved me to death..but i hand fed her though.she knew no stranger...well atleast in men...she couldn't stand women for some reason...But I want Conner to love everyone equally to me...i know that it'll take time..right now he's sitting in his cage and making some tiny cooing sound i think..I sing dance and even kiss at him and he just sits there..when Jim ( roommate) somes in and makes a kissing sound or asks him how he is doing he bobs his head up and down and even dances for him..I am home all day doing everything I can think of to get him to do even that much for me...but he won't even bob for me..what do you think? I think it might be my mohawk...I had a hat on when i got him...should i wear the hat i wore when I got him? or let him see the mohawk more often?

Stevan
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 07:17 PM

Hi Stevan,

It's hard to say actually.Gabby my CC2 likes my nephew and performs alot for him and most often when his mohawk is standing up.LOL.She won't go to anyone new but she will bob and dance and scream"Doing doing doing" at him.On the other hand When I had put some blue streaks in my hair she tried ripping them out and biting me.LOl.She tought me not to do that again.Unfortunately we can not control who they choose to love and not love.Our grey is prime example of that.He was really a good boy for me and liked me alot but has chosen my hubby for his loved one.I am home every single day all day with him and I am lucky to have even some sort of friendship with him.Once hubby comes home I am basically out of the picture again.They choose who they want and we have to just live with it.

In your case it is still early.It may be your uneasiness around Conner that he is still picking up on.You will need to keep him socialised so the skittish tendencies will fade.Show him all kids of new things and hats.Of course this all happens after he trusts you and you won't hurt him with these items and people.

Jan

Edit:I forgot to mention that when cockatoos put up thier crest to display it can be a fear display.Try to find some info on body language in cockatoo's to help with this.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 09:32 PM

Jan

Thank you so much for that...He's on the bed right now...it is 3:20 pm..much later than my last post..but he is at the foot of the bed away from me..but seems to be wondering what i am doing and keeps easing over to the side to see what it is i am doing...when I look in his direction (not at him) he moves back to where he was as if he wasn't doing anything...I rub the top of my head and he flares he's crest and clicks his beak...then he makes a sound that sounds like he's laughing at me! lol...I do have alot of patience and a load of time...i can handle the wait....Just worried some about his mentle state....wonding if only one toy is enough...how many he should have...what types to use roped,beaded,etc...as you probly already know he has one with a bell on it...as i also said before he knows if he rings it 5 times ..I'll open his door...is that a good thing to do?? honestly I'm not scared of him or have any other misreadings toward him...I am used to him...i just want to figure him out...my mothers C2 hadn't seen me til she had him for 4 years...the very first day he jumped off his perch..ran across the floor and pounced on me with kisses and hugs...he's even drug one of his toys across the floor for me to throw it so he can chase it and play "fetch!" lol..her C2 is a bare-eye as well....but you are right..i have to findout what his body language is...I'll keep working on it and all and see what happens...hopefully I'll beable to tell you that he is fine and loveing on me...we'll see...thanks so much for the advice Janny

Stevan
Posted By: CJM77

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/29/06 11:24 PM

Stevan, maybe just relaxing a little bit around him and not worrying too much about it will help. Toos are good emotion readers, are you being anxious around him?

I think it's kinda funny, but it sounds to me like he thinks you have a crest too, although in a permanent display. How tall is it? Could you wash it out and let it hang so it doesn't look like you're a too in full display?

The bell toy is a good start, but they need lots of toys to choose from. 10-12 is what I've been told by a couple different vets and bird people. Keep in mind though, that to a too, dang near anything can be a toy. Betty has in her cage a couple of get ups that are sold as "bird toys", but also has a bunch of homemade stuff, pieces of stainless steal hardware screwed into bird safe wood, strings tied in knots, lengths of plastic chain. It's also important for them to have stuff that they can chew and destroy, like wood blocks.

I'm so glad that you found this sight and are sticking around to learn all you can for Conner. Can you post a pic of him?

Cat

EDIT: I forgot to ask, what do you know of his background? How old is he? Petstore or rescue? It might help to understand some of his behavior.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/30/06 01:11 AM

Hey Stevan,

I know exactly what you are going through.You look at them and want to hang out with them so badly.You do want everything to be okay.In time it will.

As for toys Cat is right.Alot of chew toys to keep thier beak in shape.If you need cheap toys you can make them.I bought an untreated 2x4 and sawed it into all sizes of blocks.I drilled holes in them and bought hemp rope from a craft store to hang them on.Tie all kinds of knots into it and you can add plastic beads to it,just be creative and have fun.Let Conner watch you build him these toys and hopefully he will play with some of the peices too.You can also buy wooden beads from the craft store to hang as well.If you look at the toys for birds on the internet you can replicate most of them.I love to build my own for my babes it is much cheaper too.Just be carefull the products are safe and not treated with chemicals.To dye the blocks I use food coloring and make sure to let them dry overnight so you don't have a Rainbow Brite 'too.lol.

Your Welcome forr the advice.I hope it will help.You do seem very commited to Conner

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/30/06 07:06 AM

Betty and rita's mom

my mohawk is 3 inches high when standing...I only stand it up when i go out..It's always laid flat when I am with Conner..He is 1 and 1/2 years old...i got him from a Petstore...

Janny

Now all of those toys for him?? well I better get to work! LOL..Conner is worth it and much more to me...He did sit near me tonight and watched Scarey Movie 4 with me...well at least looked like he was when i would glance over...but of course..he was closer to Jim than me...lol he is in his cage right now sleeping..poor thing is pooped from looking at me acting like a fool all day! lol dancing around like a crazy man doing the funky chicken and all! I'll try to figure out how to post a pic of him on here...can I post it in one of my posts or do I have to put it in the main page? well I'll try to get a pic of him on here soon

Stevan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/31/06 06:20 PM

Hey again,

Ok here's some tiny bit of good news...Conner seems to be a little less skittish...but he's still being a little iffy...He comes out of his cage a little more...Just yesterday..he came out of his cage and slowly eased his way over to me and showed interest in wanting to be held..so i put out my arm and told him to step up..I was amazed how fast he got on my arm then started (I guess) cooing and kissing...even did a little dance for me and even said hello a couple of times...I praised him and petted him and gave him all the love I could dish out...even put him close to my chest and cuddled him...Conner just bathed in it...loving every hug i gave him...But that only lasted about 10 minutes...as soon as he hurd the front door he shot str8 to his cage...now he won't come back out...what should i do about that??? or just keep on waiting til he decides to not worry about anything and stays??

Stevan
Posted By: CJM77

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/31/06 09:13 PM

Sounds like you guys made a good bit of progress. Don't worry, if he loved the snuggling, he'll come back out for more, just give him some time.

Thanks for the info on the mohawk, it sounds like that's probably not scaring him, I was just playing out an idea there.

Now get to work on those toys! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

Cat
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/31/06 10:29 PM

Cat

I am going to be getting all the things I need to make him some toys this weekend...and today he came to me yet again...but only after he ran from Lee (other roomie). he apparently hates Lee with a passion! lol he tries to bite lee when i am holding him or he gets close to him..lol..Plus i tired something today too...I stood my whole mohawk up to see how he'd respond to it and as soon as he saw it ...he stood his up and did a dance...came to me and made clicking sounds and different kinds of movements..even carressed me with his beak...A friend of mine was here when I did it and said that Conner was "courting" me. eek Do you think that is true?? or can that be possible???
well anyway i am still trying to work with him...more to come..

Stevan
Posted By: Charlie

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/31/06 11:23 PM

Seems that you are doing great!

On the toys, they are very important. It is part of what is called "enrichment". A cockatoo mind is never at rest, they need a steady stream of things to challenge their curiosity and intellect. It is as imortant as proper exercise and uses energy at a faster rate just like exercise.

Even food can be presented in a toy fashion. Put chunks of vegetables on a skewer and hang it in a hard to get to corner. Different foods can be used, they can be cut different ways, they can be woven into toys, etc. Pellets and nuts can be put into plastic puzzle toys that they must manipulate to get the goodies out.

Toys do not need to be expensive. Check the "Cages, Aviaries and Toys" section. Another important point is to make sure your 'Too can make choices. This means several toys rotated regularly. There will be toys your bird may never seem to touch but they should be kept in the rotation because they represent a choice, even if it is not exercised.

Continued best luck! smile
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 08/31/06 11:48 PM

Stevan so glad to hear things are looking up for the relationship.It does sound like Conner is really taking a liking to you and could possibly be courting you.Thank you so much for the update.

Jan

P.S. you can buy alot of cheap things in the baby department for your 'too.Mine love the baby spoons and chain link rings that clip together.You can find all kinds of treasures.
Posted By: robbieh

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 12:40 AM

Hi Stevan!

I got a good chuckle out of your mohawk. I had a great one back in the early 1980s. It was blue. It's nice to know that the next generation has kept the trend going!

Anyway, a cheap source of wood toys to chew on is an art supply house like Michaels. They have tons of little wood things like clipless clothes hangers and little spools and things. My G2 (about the same size as your BE2) just loves them. They also sell unpainted alphabet blocks super cheap. You can spend 10 bucks and keep your bird happy for a week or two, and believe me, that's a bargain.

Robbie
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:00 AM

Birds jump at sudden noise alot, Is there any where you can put the cage so when hes out he can't see it? That might help make him cling to you when he is shocked. My Macaw always grabs for me when there is a loud sound and she is with me, I would much rather her do that then jump off me, if I do take her out side I sure don't want her to jump off...But that is some thing to work on, its great he is comming to you, are you sure its a Male? If not when you get the chance to pet him pet him as you would a dog from head to tail, when you get to the tail group it in your hand and give just a little wiggle back and forth in a downward motion. If its a mutured femal she will settle in like huddle down and just love it. And yes it sounds like he?she is courting you. Your doing great keep it up.. smile I don't know if this is a correct way of sexing, but birds pelvis is like ours, a male has a one piece bone, the female has a split in the middle so she can open to allow the egg to come out. Much as a women dialation. If your birds let you rub them all over try feeling..??
Posted By: Charlie

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:11 AM

ithe1 said:

Quote:
That might help make him cling to you when he is shocked.
I completely disagree. Ever heard of displacement aggression, sometimes put "If you can't bite the one you want, bite the one you're with!" eek

I also disagree about tugging on the tail of a mature bird!
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:14 AM

I didn't say tug, I said wiggle. I agree if you tug a big birds tail you may come away missing a finger. lol Most dogs love to have their back scrached right by the tail, so do birds..lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:39 AM

I dont have ONE BIRD that likes that and I have a house full.
Posted By: Relle

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:44 AM

Bud-Bud will fly back to his cage immediately if something scares him. Like itheone has said, I don't think this is necessarily a good thing. If he gets scared in an unfamiliar place he might get in trouble by flying away. I'd rather he stayed on me when scared.

I would definitely say not to wiggle the tail feathers or do "full body" petting. In a mature cockatoo this type of stroking encourages sexual feelings/behaviours. With Cricket I am very careful to stick to her head. If I pet all over her body she quivers and pants, particularly if I play with her tail. She might be enjoying it at the moment but ends up frustrated. When she gets frustrated she gets "bitey" and screams. And then we are both unhappy frown

Edit: mom2beebop we must have posted at the same time! smile Cricket LOVES it if you gently tug on her tail and will turn to try to get you to do it but I think (JMO) that it is sexual to her.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 04:56 AM

ithe1...this is a new bird owner here.I do not think rubbing a birds tail base is appropriate especially when the poor guy doesn't even have the body language down pat yet.

Stevan... I urge you to refrain from doing this.If this is a sexually mature cockatoo you could wind up being bitten due to hormones raging.There are certain spots you will want to stay clear of when petting a sexually mature bird so that you don't spark any agressive or hormonal behaviours.If you want to know what the sex of your bird is take him to a vet for the propper tests to be done.It is a DNA test.When I pet Gabby I try to stick to her head for petting.She will come towards me with her wing in the air to be pet under it but I try not to and if she insists I will for very a very brief time.I try hard to refrain her from this kind of petting so that it won't cause problems later.I still pet her back a bit and over her wings.I try not to do alot of body petting though.For the most part Gabby is okay with the petting everywhere but she is coming to the sexually mature age and I don't want to make things harder for her/him because there are many sexually stimulating areas.With our grey you don't want to go near his tale or anything but head petting unless you don't like the flesh on the fingers and want it removed.Some birds don't like the touching at all so just be very carefull.

I think it was Charlie who said if you lightly blow under thier wings it will slowly get them away from this kind of petting also.

Jan
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 05:39 PM

I pet my birds all over, its called preening, I feel for new feathers and try to rub the shuts they come in. I don't know the name of it, new feathers come in a covering, some places are hard for the bird to get to and those areas I get to for them, I have no problem touching my birds legs, tails, under the wings, all over the body, my birds love all the attention, much like a dog would...I don't think I am sexualy stimulating them :rolleyes: . The tail feathers on my Macaw are so long some times when she preens them she breaks them, so I try to get to them first..Haveing the trust of your bird that it lets you handle it this way is a good thing, also helps me look for any sores or insects. And DNA testing is exspensive, I have 8 birds at the moment, I don't have 8 grand. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: jm47

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 06:04 PM

I hope there are places you could have the DNA tests a LITTLE cheaper than a grand, aren't there? eek I think I've seen ads for mail-in testing in Bird Talk?
Although I haven't bothered to have it done, because I'm pretty sure mine are both males (no eggs, ever, from th 16-year-old conure, and clear evidence from color patterns on the tiel) you might want to know in case of possible egg binding if the bird is fairly young.

Your bird may be courting you, or may just be exhibiting some social interest; after all, he/she was probably not raised in such a way as to have any idea of "polite social behaviour" in either the human or the avian societal framework, unfortuantely. frown It does sound as if he/she is feeling lots more safe and comfortable with you. Keep up the good work.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 07:58 PM

to everyone...

I Have checked with a vet and Conner is Male. I've even talked with my vet and he told me the different things to look for in the crest standing...Conner's crest high with full body feathers flared is fear..body feathers slicked and crest held high is his way of saying " I am here and I want attention". The crest fully open with head feathers flared means he is a little upset...and finally..crest head high with body feathers slightly fluffed and tail feathers flared means he is showing off and wants praise..

my vet came today and saw how Conner acts with me doing what I thought was courting...he said it was courting behavior and to blow under his wings to cool him down...it actually will make him think he just " did it" and he'll not do that behavior again for about a year! weird eh? confused but Conner is doing well...right now he is on the floor playing with a strange looking rope toy my vet gave me to give to him..Looks like a ball with himp rope poking out in all directions with bells on the ends..He is being silly and rolling around on the floor like a cat attacking a toy.. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> You guys are very helpful and I thank all of you for the advice...I still have much more to ask when it comes to it..Got Conner's nails done today and had to get 2 vets to do it..first one was a female and conner tried to take he apart...so she got a male to come in and do it and Conner stayed still and let him do it...but only after the woman left the room...OK it's clear..Conner dislikes women..How can I get him from that??? now there's a challenge for ya!

Stevan
Posted By: Shirlee

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 08:25 PM

Wow Jannie,that 2x4 idea is a great one. My U2 goes though wood like you wouldn't believe.I usally buy bags of block on line & make my toys but I think we need to make a trip to Home depot instead.Also this forcing thing,my rehomed C2 had really been abused. I've had her a year & I let her decide how she wants to be handled.She has come a long way,I never use gloves,if I get bite,& I have,I never react,just learn to watch there body language.Also they love play stands.
Posted By: Chucki's Dad

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 09:16 PM

Quote: "it actually will make him think he just " did it" and he'll not do that behavior again for about a year!"

Any bets out there? LOL <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/01/06 09:29 PM

well I don't know...just saying wjhat the vet said....that's why I put it on here to see if anyone knew more and that area....but anyway....Conner is being silly all over the floor still with that same toy...and he got it at 11am this mornig...and is still playing with it and it's 3:30 now...

Stevan
Posted By: robbieh

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 01:52 AM

For anyone else reading, DNA sexing through my vet only cost me $50 and it took a week.

Now if my SO blows into my armpits and thinks I'm done for a year... <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 02:26 AM

what an interesting thread. Body language is EVERYTHING when it comes to the U2s, that is for sure. Rudy, is covered in down and has about twenty-five or so new feathers coming in at different degrees, so I am sure he is rather "itchy"....he loves for us to help him preen. But my youngest daugther will sometimes get him into a position that I don't like by rubbing his back...and I have tried to explain it to her about "body language" and the "sexual thing" as best I can, without confusing her.

For the past few days he has learned to play "catch" with us using little ABC wooden blocks...he loves it!! he throws them and we catch them. Then after a few minutes he gets all excited and starts "laughing" real loud, puts his umbrella up and sways back and forth. It is the funniest thing!! We love playing with him.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 03:44 AM

Lena that sounds very cute.I love it when Gabby sways back'n'forth like Stevie Wonder.LOL.

Stevan,
glad to hear all went well at the vet.Hope things keep going well for you.

The highest price I was quoted for DNA tests is $60 Canadian. confused Where $1000 each is coming from I don't know. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

Shirlie...thanks so much for the reply.I do try to cut corners alot.Charlie said in one post if you rub your fingernail on the board and a waxy stuff comes off like on an apple then it has been treated.You should sand each peiece of wood a little to make sure there are no harmfull things left on it.You can also buy cotton rope in the hardware store and if it has no dyes on it it should be safe.

Jan
Posted By: Lena Da Llama

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 05:08 AM

JUST LIKE Stevie Wonder...THEN he screams like a maniac and does another funny impression...this goes on for about 30 minutes, and then he pooooos out....we actually started laughing at him for poohing out....'cause really you gotta do that...BUT HIS SHOW IS THE MOST HILARIOUS THING WE HAVE SEEN IN YEARS...and I think he KNOWS it!!! Crazy damn DOG BIRD.....

That's what we call him ...CRAZY DOG BIRD...because he is sooooo good at chasing the dogs off....and when we call him CRAZY DOG BIRD--HE BARKS and has the attitude from HELL!!!!
Posted By: Shirlee

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 05:18 PM

Stevan,you said you too didn't like women.Our U2 had been mistreated by a women in her last home.At first she wouldn't let me near her.Now she's really good with me,I talk to her a lot and spend a lot of time with her,but when my husband is home she only wants him.If I get to near when he's holding her she bites him,haha.He's closer. smile
Janny,we are going to get wood today,I was wondering about the food coloring,does it wash off when you clean the toys?No more buying bags of wood pieces,this will be a lot cheaper. :p
:p
Posted By: LindaK

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 06:18 PM

Just my 2 cents: Nowhere have I seen about toxic foods. Make sure you do NOT feed Avocado and a lot of things are listed in the Diet Section. Do a search on the top. I think Salt, Onions and Sugar have been mentioned.No caffeine either.
Also other dangers are Plastic coated cookware (Teflon) scented candles, etc. Just do a search.
LindaK
Posted By: Baby Bird

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/02/06 09:55 PM

Wow. This is quite a group. I found this site when I was in a panic this morning. I was trying to find someone who had any knowledge of whether or not catnip was toxic for birds. My U2 pirated my cat's toy when she escaped her cage yesterday. This morning she was acting very strange (refused to eat her favorite foods and also refused to come out of her cage. I immediately went into a panic, thinking she was reacting to the catnip.

since then we think we have figured out the problem. Baby Bird used to belong to my brother. They hadn't seen one another for over 2 years until this morning. Ever since he got here for a visit, she has had this attitude.

I consider myself still a very new U2 owner. Learning more every day. This site has been a great source of info. Thanks for being there.

Steven, it sounds like you are on the right track with your Conner. Good luck and have fun. We laugh with and at our Baby Bird each and every day.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 01:50 AM

everyone...

Turn for the worst...Today..Conner attacked me twice..the second attack was with me holding him..I am doing everything I was advised to do...I don't understand this sudden agression...I am beginnig to think that I have done something wrong...Maybe I do need to shave off my mohawk of something...As punishment for the attacks..I put him back in his cage and covered it...is that a good thing to do? Anyone have any Ideas as to what i should do to try and work this aggression out of him..I still think the world of Conner and still want to make him happy..But it's becoming impossible if he continues this behavior and won't stop with the agression...he acted this way yesterday as well...I am getting confused...he was doing so well this past week then all of a sudden...pow! Evil Conner! shocked ....Any suggestions?

Stevan
Posted By: CJM77

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 02:24 AM

I know it's hard, but try not to over react to Conner. All birds bite and it's important not to take it personally. Others who are more experienced than I will respond with help and advice, but take a deep breath, remember how much you love the little guy and take this all in stride.

Cat
Posted By: robbieh

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 03:14 AM

I'm going to second Cat until someone with more experience comes aboard...

Deep breath. The best thing to do is not to react at all to the bite. Just put him away and then go to another room and let it all out. Don't cover him up. That's a night thing.

All 'toos do this every now and then, so as Cat said--it is not personal. It's also just been a week or so, right?

Hang in there. Calm yourself down and don't give up. Someone with more experience will answer soon...
Posted By: ayres with a 2

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 03:30 AM

I've been following thsi thread since the beginning- it sounds like you're in love with the little guy. It really does hurt our feeling when they nail us, but think of it from Conners perspective- it's only been about 10 days. Some of these guys can take months at the least to warm up. I would attempt to be the one to spend the most time with him-feeding, bathing, playing, cuddling- everything- treats and constant praise- from you. Sit by him when he's in his cage, talk to him- start over. Something had him in a mood, or spooked him, and he's already unsure about his new home and flock. You sound so very patient, and being that they live so long, you have plenty of time. Is he getting enough sleep? 10-12 hours, quiet and undisturbed? Mine all get very cranky without the full 10 as a minimum...just a thought. Continued good luck to you, and keep the updates coming. I noticed LindaK posted a reminder about the toxics and dangers- the search feature at the top right of the page is a wonderful thing. Print out the toxic list and post it so everyone in the house knows what is ok, and what will cause Conner serious harm. Love the name by the way- it's even spelled the same as my sons smile .
Posted By: vondooly

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 04:53 AM

Hi,I'm new at handling cockatoos also.Sounds like you are doing a good job so far.One thing I noticed in one of your posts was that one of his toys had a bell on it.I did read, and if you think about it it makes sense,that jingle bells like the ones you get at Christmas are NOT good toys for birds because they can get their beaks and claws caught in them.I'm sure if that happened any bird would freak out and probably hurt themselves,especially if you weren't home to help. I just read your last post about Conner attacking you.THAT HURTS!My Sugar attacked me and my husband within the first week of having her.My hubby said "she's gotta go" but I kept working with her.Actually when she stopped attacking was one night when she wouldn't go into her cage at bed time.I tried everything,I turned out all the lights in the house,offered treats,anything I could think of.Finally I had to towel her to put her in her cage.That was the turning point,I don't know if she real;ized that I wasn't going to be bluffed anymore or what but the attacks stopped.Now if she won't step up when I have to get her to ,to bring her in or put her in her cage for the night I go and get the towel.By the time I get a couple of feet from her she got one foot in the air waiting for me.I don't have to towel her,all she has to do is see me with it. I think they need to know that you are firm,as much as you can be with a too lol,of course NEVER hit or hurt your baby,and most of all it takes time to earn their trust! laugh
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 04:55 AM

Stevan don't give up hope.There could be a grea5t number of reasons for the aggression.One thing I have noticed with my Gabby is every day is a new day,what might be good one day may not be so good the next.

Like Ayres with a 2 said....sleep is very important.Mine get at the very least 10hrs.I do try to give them total quiet during the day for an hour or 2 as well.

Like Cat and Robbieh said do try not to take the attack as a personal attack.Conner may be showing the after affects from the vet visit as well.Gabby hates vet day and shows it with aggression for a day or so.Maybe this is a delayed reaction.Is there any chance your roomate might be doing something when your not around?Is there a chance he could be over-excited about something....If Gabby really,really likes things she will nip because she can't control herself.She does this with music or t.v. sometimes.It's like having too much stimulation.There are times when you will never figure out why they did it they just did.That is the wild in them I'm afraid.Maybe just slow it back down for a day or so and see if things ease again.

You can learn to be owned by Conner just like we have it just takes time and a few battle scars. laugh .

We're here for you....Keep up the good work.

Jan
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/04/06 05:02 AM

I agree, he is just showing he can get you. Just rub it off, keep doing what you have been, don't be afraid of him, my M2 nailed me Sat. got my ring finger on my right hand between the first and second knuckle. My grand kids were over so there was alot of activity and he got agitated at some thing and took it out on me. I just put him in his cage and went to clean and stop the bleeding don't yell or cover him, he is just being a bird...my finger swelled 3 times its size but is fine now. Blue hasn't been any different, and I haven't either. So just try to get on, keep working with him. You are going to get bites. just hope its not any bad ones.. <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> and you may try to keep your hair flat from now on, :rolleyes: Mohawks on men are so over... laugh
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/05/06 08:00 PM

here's what I have done to try to fix things with Conner and start new...I let him watch me get my mohawk shaved off..He is now showing a slightly different action over that...now he seems to want to watch me even more now...he must think of it either a change..or a new "bird". he is even calling out for me when i leave the room now..he hasn't done that before. But he is being kinda cautious of me...but seems to like the change better...I is actually accepting treats from me more than before...i guess we are building a new block of trust...this time I will do better...

Stevan

PS Janny...I have made him quite a few toys as well that he wouldn't touch...but now that my mohawk is gone...I offered them again and he took them...Now I think and know it was the Mohawk that was the problem...I have this strange feeling it'll be alot better this time with little to no EVIL Conner!! lol... laugh
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/06/06 01:02 AM

Well Stevan too bad you had to get rid of the mohawk,but your learning like we have to adjust to thier needs and wants.Pretty soon you too will be watching the 13" t.v. and the 'too will have the big screen. eek That's what happened here.lol.

Good luck and keep us updated.

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/06/06 01:42 AM

Janny...

I don't think so!! eek He's already got his own spot to where he can watch tv...but he loves action movies! lol..Conner is going to have to take the TV we have right now in the room...There is no room for a bigscreen in this room! lol He already tries to take over the control when i am playing a vidgame on the PS2!! lol..well I will keep you all posted

Stevan
Posted By: Relle

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/06/06 02:36 PM

You sacrificed your Mohawk for your birdie! You rock! laugh
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/06/06 07:50 PM

Relle...

yes i did make a sacrefice for Conner..He's worth me changing anything to make him feel comfortable...But still he seems to love Jim more than me...but that's cool...Jim will come home..go to Conner and say come here and Conner is there....Conner will only come to me when i ignore him and show no interrest..I go to him and want him to come to me..he just looks at me and makes no move to me whatso ever...But i sit on the bed and ignore him and start doing something...he'll come out then to see what i am doing...he'll sit by my feet on the bed..everynow and again he'll make a move upward to just sit on my arm for a few minutes then runs back to his cage...But as I said..once Jim comes Home...oh he'll jump rigfht out and sit with Jim for as long as Jim lets him...I just wish he'd do that with me...still taking me all this time...I only had Conner for a few weeks now...Conner went to Jim on the 3rd day being here... frown I just don't get it....But hey...I am not going to give up...I'm going to keep trying...

Stevan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 01:07 AM

Everyone,

Ok It's right back to the Evil Conner. frown He's back to biting and attacking me yet again...He won't come to me or even close to me. But like a said so many times...He gets excited when Jim comes home and goes to him. all I know about him is he is a 1yr and a half old..is it too late for him to change? he was abused in the pet store i got him from. and I have followed all directions given to me by this website and by reading books...i am beginning to think he either Hates me...or I need to have him put in training classes.. I am doing everything i can do to make him happy and comfortable...he's been here for 3 weeks now. he should of showed some signs of coming around more than what he's doing! I am not a quitter and I have oodles of patience...but patience can go only so far when no change is seen...or aggression gets worse... Conner's agression toward everyone in the house except Jim is becoming a very bad thing. I don't want him biting everyone who comes in or lives here...even me! Do you think Taking him to training is a bad thing?

Stevan
Posted By: robbieh

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 01:46 AM

Stevan,

Sorry you're having a difficult time right now. If Jim is just a roommate/friend than I think you need to take steps to stop the bonding that's going on between Connor and him. Roommates move out and Connor is your bird, not his.

Toos pick people and Connor MAY be picking Jim. There are stories all over this board of people who had their bird "stolen" by their spouses. Most of the time the birds come around with a lot of work and become two person birds. Sometimes they switch favorites overnight. There's no rhyme or reason to it.

I don't know your living situation or your set up. What you need to focus on is making Connor dependent on you and spending time with you. There may come a time where you have to limit Jim time to nothing or next to nothing. But it's only been three weeks so it's very early and right now you have time on your side. That's the good news!

And I can tell by your post that it's hurting your feelings as well. That's normal. Heck, we're human. We understand. You're the one that took him in, you're the one paying for everything, trying everything, doing all the research, etc. Your feelings are valid and I'm very sorry this is happening to you.

I know others who have been in your situation will come to offer great suggestions.

Robbie
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 03:45 AM

I told you in the beginning of your post to keep Jim away from your bird until he bonds with you. He is bonding with Jim and you may never get him to like you. My birds don't like my room mate, at first my Macaw tried to bond with him but I kept them apart and now she wants nothing to do with him. It may sound mean but when Jim comes in and goes for the bird ask him to please stay away and you go get the bird. Don't let Jim feed him water him or talk to him at all, no treats no nothing. You need to break this bond now or just give in and let Jim have the bird.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 03:58 PM

Ithe,

it's kinda hard to go get Conner with or without Jim being here, because he won't let me pick him up! and I WILL NOT let Jim have Conner! I've been hessitant to say this But Jim is a little more than a roommate. I cannot just tell jim to Get out!.. But i have told him he is not to feed water or give him treats anymore. I am the primary care giver. i am home all day with Conner and Jim only gets to see him within a 2 hour period anyway. But that's cool. I have found a book on how to get Conner to expand the Bond to multiple people. It even teachs how to get a one person too to become a multi person too..all it takes is 15 to 30 minutes a day of passing him around from person to person and each person spend 5 or so minutes each with him, giving him treats and all. it even says that at night for the care giver to remove the food bowl..and give it back empty in the mornig and Let the Bird see you take food from the bag by hand and put it in it's bowl. That will expand the bond.

Robbie

thank you so much for your understanding and careing. You are right..it does hurt my feelings when Conner attacks or bites me. But hey..I am not going to let that deter me from my undying mission of getting Conner to Love me! lol Like I told Ithe...I have conner all to myself all day while Jim only gets 2 hours....heheheh which is slowly becoming Less...Jim got mad last night when Conner bit me in front of him...so he put Conner on his cage and refused to let Conner get on him..Jim walked away from conner..Conner Looked like he lost his best friend and started cooing and looked upset....so I sat close to him and sang to him...Conner eased to my side of his cage and sat there quietly and watched me...even bobbed his head a little..i think if Jim ignores Conner for a while...while i am trying to expand the Bond...That'll work..I am still looking for more info on training for Conner...but home training that I do..i am not one to be called a Quitter! lol I am a fighter and will Fight Conner's attitude with Lots of Love and Patience! and I will win! lol..conner doesn't know it yet...But he's in for it when i start Training him and expanding the bonding...I'll try this and see what happens! lol

Stevan
Posted By: Relle

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 05:31 PM

Hey Stevan...I've heard of that type of training, the "hot potato" game I think it's called. I've also read that if you do all the positive things (treats, scritches, etc) and getting the "loved one" to do the "negative things" (like being put to bed for example) can also help to turn the relationship around.

I totally understand what you mean about the hurt feelings though! My Cricket LOVED, LOVED, LOVED my ex. I did EVERYTHING for her and loved her by far the most and (the fickle little woman that she is...lol) she picked someone who didn't want a lot to do with her! They seem to do that alot from what I've read...love the ones that "ignore" them and despise the ones that cater to them.

I think that was really smart of Jim to do (with holding affection because Connor bit you). I did this with Bud-Bud (he HATED my ex and would actively fly around and attack him). Bud and I have also had "confrontations" (me talking sternly with my hand up until he backs down) about attacking people & Cricket, and this seems to work as well.

It really hasn't been that long (although I bet it feels like forever to you!) so just give it time and don't get discouraged. It took Bud-Bud a couple of years to warm up to me completely. And now he loves me! Usually... <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />
Posted By: Charlie

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 05:47 PM

Yep, it took two years for my wife to be accepted as well. For a lifetime companion, two years is a drop in the bucket!
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/07/06 10:44 PM

Relle,

You are right..it is called the " hot potatoe " game. I also did what they call the "on/off" game. The on/off game consists of getting him out of his cage and close the door. let him get ontop of the cage and walk off.. return to him and offer your arm and say step up for him to get on you. Step back then after a few seconds go back and say step down..he'll do this just to try to get back in the cage...but the door is closed. step back and repeat the actions for a while. After a while..he'll want to stay on your arm...then go sit down on the couch, chair, etc. and allow him to wander.. I did this with Conner for a good bit today and he ended up coming to me for a few scratches and then crawled up onto my chest for a cuddle session...after about 10 to 15 minutes of this he finally wanted to give a few kisses.. well after a few more minutes...he ended up wanting to go back to his cage..So i went and opened it and let him go to it on his own..I wouldn't put him in it...I put him ontop of it...he sat there for a minute then went in his cage..I think that if i keep doing this everyday...he'll warm up to me some..I hope! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

I will admit..I did go ahead and put the cover over his cage before Jim came home so he cannot see him..and Told Jim to leave him be and do not uncover him..the book i am reading does say " not to allow the one the bird is Bonded to see the person at all til the bird shows the same attention to you as it did with the other.." So i am denying Jim time to spend with Conner as suggested in the book. it also says.."once you get your bird to show you the attention that it shows on a regular basis...you can then allow the first love to spend little time with the bird..but not as much as the other is getting. i just hope this works...If not...i'll just try something else!

Stevan
Posted By: robbieh

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/08/06 02:06 AM

You have a great attitude and Connor is a lucky bird! You and Jim are doing the right things.

Robbie
Family to you wink
Posted By: ithe1

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/09/06 12:28 AM

My room mate is the same, but he doesn't bother with the birds. We went on vacation for 2 days was going to be more but I had to get back to my birds, when we did for some reason my Nandy bit a good chunk out of the tip of my thumb. Then every time I went near him he tried to bite me. He lives on a playground in the bedroom he isn't caged at any time. So I took away his food dish and now I put the food in my hand, for him to get it he must step up on me, if he goes to bite he goes back on his playground and the food goes away. It took him about 2 days to stop the biteing. I have had him for over a year and he has never bit me before. The M2 and the Macaw have both flew and attacked my room mate, he doesn't like them and they don't like him. But until they bonded to me I was the only one that feed them or handled them in any way. Just keep up the good work, ask Jim if he would let you do for the bird until he bonds with you.
Posted By: Anne_Pierson

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/09/06 01:30 AM

Hi:

I am here with a new 'too as well, and we're learning the ways. I've been reading your thread and wonder if anyone told you about petting under the wings? Silly me - I was doing that, and didn't know I was encouraging breeding behavior... so, maybe that's why he loves Jim so much? Make sure Jim knows about that, and that you both remember not to pet him under the wings...

Meanwhile, our 'too, (Pretty-Girl-who-is-actually-a-boy), has been so easy-going with everyone, yet for some reason, doesn't like my husband. He (husband) is okay with that, and is just being a "distant friend" right now, sharing food but not making a big deal of getting friendly with her (him).

We still don't know what to expect when she really settles in, but it sounds like you are willing to go the mile and work it out. I think that's all our birds really want. If you're persistent, they will eventually trust you. I have an eclectus who was abused, and it took a year and a half to make her really part of the family. Keep trying! You're very dedicated, and your bird will know it smile

Anne
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/09/06 04:14 PM

Hi Stevan,

I am a little late with a response but it looks like you are getting great advice.You will just have to keep trying and Conner will be awed by your efforts to show him a good life.

I will tell you it may take a long time.Some birds it takes years but keep working at it and it will all fall into place for you.

I just want to add something that I had to learn from our grey.I was the cleaner,feeder,shower person and all the regular duty slave for him and he chose my hubby instead of me,which I was shocked over because he goes away for many days for work.I am home all the time.But he chose the hubby.He kept biting me and just got really nasty towards me,until I made Hubby do all the daily duties when he was home,Ripley will tolerate me for skritches and hang out.It took some time and I can't let Ripley see me clean his cage or the whole thing starts over again.He is very perticular about his things and hates us touching HIS stuff.Just try not to have Conner see you do the cleaning incase this is the problem.

Good luck
Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/09/06 06:42 PM

Everyone,

Today is Day 3 of the training of Conner in the "Bond Expanding". It seems to be going well. Conner is at least showing interrest again and is now doing a little dance here and there for me..Today we did the on/off game and he apparently is liking that game..we would step off my arm and then run in circles then come back to step up.. Jim is seeming not to like not being able to see Conner but is having to get over it. I had to send Jim out of the room before i uncovered Conner this Morning. He saw me and gave out a good morning coo...lol

Conner readily wanted to step out of his cage onto his step up stick and then fly around the living room...He seems to like doing a Lap or two around the livingroom to get his wings exercised. He'll then Land on the couch and sits there prooning..lol..I'll walk up to him and he'll run from me...but i won't give chase.. i just stand where i am and then put my arm down where he ran from...and tell him to come...he hessitates but then comes over and steps up when i tell him to..He also did a little head bobbing for me while on my arm ( never done that for me before) with his crest up high and making ckicking sounds. I take that as a good thing.

I also got a book yesterday that is all about bare-eyed cockatoo behavior and I read something kind cool...they are laid back birds...more so than the other breeds and can learn to love and trust a little faster than others do..it also talks about how to handle abused ones. And also Seeing in how Conner was abused i read up on that part...Abused bare-eye toos have a hard time trusting..but can come around pretty quick...It says to move slowly around them and to show your palms when going to pick them up so they can see there's nothing in your hands to hurt them. it also says to allow them to see what you pick up..for example it says let them see you pick up the step up stick if you use one to train them.. also let them see you pick up anything else you us with them..toys and all..so I do it all..feeding watering and playtime.. I let Conner see everything I do. Everything I am doing is All for Conner and to let him see that i am never going to hurt him. I will make sure to let you all know how it's going and still ask for some advice.. I owe it to Conner to find out all i can to make him Happy.

Stevan
Posted By: Anne_Pierson

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/10/06 03:17 AM

You are so sweet with him smile I feel a little guilty about how easy our Pretty Girl has settled in here after reading your posts. But, she wasn't abused, either. We are, at the same time, adjusting a new Doberman from a rescue, and he is more like your Connor - doesn't trust yet, and is very cautious.

Is the "crown up" clucking thing a happy thing? It seems to me that it is, but it also seems to be a kind of display of aggression. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Anne
Posted By: Tammy_Angel's Mom

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/11/06 12:43 AM

Stevan, I am so glad that Connor has you loving him. He's a lucky bird.

quote: i am home all day with Conner and Jim only gets to see him within a 2 hour period anyway. But that's cool. I have found a book on how to get Conner to expand the Bond to multiple people.

I think is some ways our birds are like human babies....the parent that is home all day basically gets no recognition and the one that comes home for a short period of time gets all the attention from the child.

I know that when my husband comes home, all 7 get all excited because "Treat Daddy" is home!!!

And I get to sweep the floor after!!!
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/11/06 04:42 PM

Anne,

the crest up and clicking is a good sign....it's the crest held high and the body feathers puffed up that you need to watch for..that is agressive stance and your too will bite then..and hard! I know!! should see my hands! lol I have pleanty of Conner-Caused Battle scars and stories for each one! lol and the title to the the stories are Birdie Battles at the Sadler Home! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" /> Plenty of chapters! lol

Tammy,

you are right...But....Toos are very drama driven birds...I had a mohawk...that's what caused all the hostility toward me from Conner..Now that i have cut it off and started a training methid of Bond expanding it seems to get him going..Today is going to be a funny day! lol...the training book has a game called Dancing to the beat...put on some music with lots of drums or bass...singing and all...Let your bird out ..start the music...and start dancing by his cage...do silly things in your dance and even laugh while dancing...your bird will get excited and start dancing as well..then the birdie will start to click or laugh or even coo along with you when he's dancing with you..then while you are dancing ease over and offer him your arms to dance on and cuddle with you while dancing! the more drama you show your birdie...the more your bird will grow to love you and want to see more of you and what's going to happen next. Bare-eyes are very curious but severly Nosey Birds! And Conner is extremely nosey! lol..I go get the mail..come in and sit on the couch..he'll fly over to see what i got...then sneak up and try to be unseen when doing so...he'll snatch a piece of mail and run with it...jump in the floor and try to open it! So I get onto the floor and crawl over to him and watch him.. i even offer to help him open the mail...and he doesn't mind...I just pull off the parts with the stamp and the flap and just let him tear into the rest...thank god it's never important things i let him do that too...lol..I also know how it feels for the treat daddy thing you go through...I cheat....I use a dust buster! laugh but anyway...Conner calls...I have to go and tend to him...More to come

Stevan
Posted By: Lakotajo2

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/11/06 05:33 PM

Dear Stevan, It has been such an education to read about how things are going with your new Too. Could you give the exact name of the book you are using? It sounds like a great book.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/13/06 05:37 AM

the book is by Nathalie Roberts And is't called Amazing Cockatoo training Tips. it's actually 4 volumes...It's an amazing book
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/15/06 05:07 AM

hey eveyone,

Conner is doing somewhat ok with his training. Some days he's ok..the next he's shy..i am bearing with it..but he seems to cry alot of late everytime i leave the room....is that a good sign?? He'll quiet down as soon as he hears me say it's ok...he's coming out of his skittishness some as well...he's still jumpy at times...but he's becoming more aware of everything..He's even let my dogs know he's the Big B of the livingroom! lol...they get too close he chases them off..He even plays with the smallest of the dogs in the funniest way....Conner chases suzzy my toy fox terrior to the couch..then turns and runs from her...suzzy gets close to Conner and barks...Conner barks back! LOL then chases suzzy back to the couch and keeps on til suzzy is tired!...but so far everything is going good with Conner and Me...he comes to me some...but not very much....but he'll dance for me now and play some...I'm going to keep it up and see what happens

Stevan
Posted By: jm47

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/15/06 05:41 AM

Playing with a fox terrier, or a terrier of any sort, could be hazardous to Connor's health in more ways than one. Same goes for any other kind of dog, or cat.
Posted By: King Les

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/15/06 03:29 PM

"...the book i am reading does say " not to allow the one the bird is Bonded to see the person at all til the bird shows the same attention to you as it did with the other.."

Hi Stevan, there are 6 members of my immediate family and our Les has designated very specific roles to us all and we had no say in the matter. The only thing we had say in is that we can all handle him when needed and that we can live in the same home together without being attacked by him. I'm Les's mom, 3 of my kids are his flock friends, my 4th kid and my husband are Les's lovers smile I will never get the same kind of attention as my husband and oldest gets from Les and that's ok. It has to be ok. The object of the game is to get your cockatoo to accept you as a flock member. You can designate the order in which you appear in the flock but you can not dictate the type of bond your bird will have with you (other then a bad one). In other words, Les understands that I'm the head of the flock and we have a very good bond but there's nothing that I can do to make Les want to roll over on his back and sit on my lap the way he does for my husband and my oldest daughter. There's nothing that I can do to make Les prefer to snuggle up to me for hours the way he does with my husband and my oldest daughter despite the fact that I'm Les's primary caregiver and I spoil him to death. I understand and accept the role Les gave me and we do our own fun things together. If he's sitting with my husband I can ask Les for a "step up" to go in the car with me to pick up one of the kids from a neighbor's house which he loves doing but as soon as we get back home he goes right back to the husband :rolleyes:

I don't believe that there's any reason to cover a bird unless it's bedtime. It's cruel. I hope it just so happened to be your bird's bedtime the same time Jim got home when you covered him (not that I agree with this bond technique to begin with) because covering a bird at times other then bedtime is a good way of breaking down trust and bonds. Healthy bonds take time. Try feeding your bird some warm sweet potato or squash from a spoon. It's a nuturing thing to do and it could help promote a special bond between you. Good luck.
Posted By: Stormy

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/15/06 08:19 PM

I have to totally agree with King Les about the bonding issues. They love who they love and will dislike or tolerate who they want too. My u2 loves most people, some he tolerates and some he makes it clear he really dislikes and there is no way I can or even attempt to try to change his mind about that. It sounds like your too likes your companionship but when it comes to your roommate he is in love with and that is the way it is. Buddy adores my hubby for kisses and treats, my son for cuddling and hanging out with and for me, he allows me to do just about anything with. There are things I can do with him that he would never allow anyone else to because if they try, be assured a good bite is coming. Its a matter of respecting how your bird feels and not trying to force him to like you more or like your roomate less. You have accept the bird have feelings, maybe stronger for another but to me, trying to force the bird even though you are doing it gently just does not seem right. And besides the fact that the bird has only been with you for such a short time, he needs to adjust, learn to trust, and all that happy stuff that we go through the honeymoon stage. I would just let the bird be, gain his trust, wait till his full personality shows.
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/21/06 03:40 PM

everyone,

I only cover Conner at bed time...never before...as far as the roommate...I stopped not letting my rommate see Conner and spend time with him...Conner and Jim spend all the time they want...I stopped using the training book because of the simple reason of the technics they say use seemed to be something i became uncomfortable with...So I would just start putting food in his bowl where he could see it in my hand...I will pause long enough for him to pick one or two pieces out of my hand and i'd put the rest in his bowl. After that i would cjange his water and put ut back...then go sit on the couch and ignore him...Conner resently started coming to me...all this week He's come out and stayed with me....he even plays tag with me and Jim when he is home...He'll run back and forth from me and jim on the couch and touch our leg with his beak...get a scratch on the head and he;ll run back to the other for the same thing...as far as my toy fox terrior...Suzzy has been around birds sence she was a pup...she knows that they are babies and will not get close enough to them to hurt them....and for some more insight into that...Conner my BEtoo chose her as a friend and member of the flock..when he's out at times He'll go over to her and sit right on her and my fox terrior just lays there and lets him Proon her...I am always around to make sure Conner never gets into anything to hurt him...and my terrior..LOL...try to get Conner while he is with her...He is Her baby..and vice versa...try to touch her with conner on her..lol...Suzzy (terrior) will actually get between Conner and things that she things might hurt him...and slowly moves (hurds) him away from it without touching him...He'll even go for rides on her back...So can you really say after reading this that it's a bad thing for Conner to play with my toy fox terrior??? I will disaggree fast on that..But me and Conner have come along way and I didn't have to force it...I stopped the training book 2 days after my last post...here it is quite some time after and doing it differently has Conner Loving me as he wants to... laugh

Stevan
Posted By: Janny

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/21/06 05:20 PM

Oh Stevan....

Looks like things are getting so much better for everyone involved.I don't know if I mentioned before the bond our grey and my hubby have.The grey chose Dave as his mate and refused to do anything for me.Dave is away from home for 20 days and I am home everyday.Yeah the bird still loves him the same way as when he first laid eyes on him.I now can get Ripley to give me kisses and speand all kinds of time with him but the moment Dave comes home it all ends and he only loves Dave until he leaves.I have come to accept that I am 2nd fiddle.lol.

Jim,Conner,and you seem to be doing so much better than the 3 of us are even to this day so congradulations.You both sound like great birdy parents.

Jan
Posted By: Stevan

Re: Need Help with my New Cockatoo - 09/21/06 10:21 PM

Janny i do believe you mentioned that to me before..Greys are like that...I had 2...lol...the 2 greys live at my mothers because they love her like she was thier mate...I ave them to her because she loved them so much...they love me too and get excited when i come to visit and fly all over the place trying to get me to sit down so they can land on my shoulders and love me up! lol.. Yeah it took time Jan and me and Jim worked together to get him the way he is...He loves me just as much as he loves jim...Plus I just finished a new play thingy for Conner...It's A giant pvc pipe play ground that Conner simply adores. It has losts of branching out platforms with stands and hand made toys hanging everywhere...it even has little ladders leading to the upper levels and Conner Just goes apes over it...He plays all over it and with all the toys and calls out to me to come play too!! lol Jim got him to say "you play too!"....that's how i know he wants me to play with him..He rools over flops everywhere and Suzzy sticks close by to watch him..he'll even get in the floor and run over to her to kiss her and run back to play on his new Play-Compound! lol...I thought he wouldn't like it...but as soon as I put him on it...he was everywhere he could go on it! I need to get a video done and learn how to post it on here so all of you can get a laugh out of everything he does and we do together! Conner sure is going to be very spioled! <img border="0" alt="[laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh[1].gif" />

Stevan
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