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Posted By: all sorts

Not him self - 03/23/11 11:52 PM

I,l try and keep this short and to the point.
about 7/8 months ago i rescued a m2 that was in a bit of a sorry state some of you may remember.

at the time he was very wild and i wasn't able to get near him without him hissing and trying to bite me.

despite this he seemed to perk up always out climbing around his cage and shredding his toys all was well.

over time i have slowly broken down the barriers and at the moment i can now stroke his back although he still watches me carefully with his beck open ready to bite.

I have been bitten by him a few times now but never in a hard way yes it has hurt at time but more of a shock then anything and he,s never drawn blood.

but since ive been managing to stroke him he,s changed a lot.
he,s a lot quieter doesn't come out of his cage much anymore or grind he beak as much as he used to.
in general he,s very quite.
there have also been a few times over the past months when he,s fallen off his perch.

he,s eating well pleny of seed and fresh veg
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 03/24/11 02:07 AM

Were you able to locate an avian vet? Change in behavior and coupled with falling from his perch is worrisome and good reason to seek out a professional in avian medicine.
Posted By: Liisa B

Re: Not him self - 03/24/11 05:22 AM

Ditto what Em said.
Do not wait. Run. Now.
Posted By: Sundial

Re: Not him self - 03/24/11 02:59 PM

Seconding the posts above me, but also keep all petting to the head. If he's calming down because of it, one of the reasons might be because you're sending him signals that you 'want' to breed with him. But what with him falling off perches, a vet visit is an absolute MUST.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 03/24/11 09:13 PM

Well he,s more himself today chirping to himself. he hasn't fallen off his perch by himself its normally if i try to get near him its like he,s more interested in what im doing than holding on.
doesn't happen all the time maybe 3/4 times in the last couple of months.

the nearest vet is 100 miles round trip don't know hows he,s going to take to that.
Posted By: Amystar

Re: Not him self - 03/24/11 09:50 PM

Hi all sorts 100 miles round trip really isn't that far to go, there are people on here that spend all day going to and from their avian vet. I know if it were my bird I would want to know if there is something wrong and what I could do to help him. Vet trips are never easy but they are an absolute must for their well being. I can identify with the bites I have received many some of which have drawn blood. Fortunately with help from the wonderful people here at mytoos I have been making lots of progress. Hope you are able to get him to the vet soon.
Amy
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 02:39 AM

As Amy said, there are ALOT of members here that travel 100 miles (some more) 1 way to see an avian vet. And as for how he "takes it"...vhe will proper veterinary care is a responsibility, not an option. He will survive the trip in a carrier and vet exam...but he may not survive without. I'm with Amy...I hope you are able to get him to the vet soon.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 03:10 AM

A healthy bird does not fall off perches. This bird is dealing with something. It could be foot issues, it could be neurological issues.....But he needs to be seen NOW!!!!!
Posted By: Birdfriend

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 03:15 AM

When you go to the vet, bring the perch. Perhaps it is part of the problem. The vet may be able to offer insights into what you can do to help this bird by changing things in his environment. This may be long term or short term, until the bird is healthier. I agree with everyone. If a bird is "not him self", a vet visit is in order.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 06:57 PM

Any update?Have you managed to get him to an Avian Vet?This really shouldn't wait.One day wait can mean allot to a parrot!

I would also start padding up the bottom of the cage with some old blankets and stuff so that when he does fall he won't get banged up so much.I used some old comforters folded up and placed at the bottom of the cage and surrounding the cage to soften the fall.If he is lets say just for example very anemic...you don't want him breaking blood feathers at all.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 10:32 PM

Going to visit the vet tomorrow will update as soon as i know anything.
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 03/25/11 10:33 PM

We'll be anxiously waiting to hear...sending positive thoughts to both of you.
Posted By: Lucy's Mom

Re: Not him self - 03/26/11 02:47 AM

Please let us know - we care!!!
Posted By: MissYumYum

Re: Not him self - 03/26/11 07:59 PM

Anxious for an update and hoping that all is well! As Karen said, we all care!

Annette
Posted By: FeatheredAngels

Re: Not him self - 03/27/11 05:18 AM

Dont know how I missed this thread, but you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 03/27/11 05:33 AM

Do we get any update yet???How did he do???
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 03/29/11 05:40 PM

Bumping to see if there is an update yet?????
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 03/31/11 10:36 PM

Ok sorry for the late response, last week i took our bird to the nearest avian vet i could find 100 miles round trip.
Took me an hour to get him off his perch and into a carrier with almost constant screaming and trying to bite me.
Also found out he has very sharp claws to!

Well got to the vet waited 15 minuets then went in tried to get him out of the box the amount of screaming was unbelievable it must have been hear miles away.

Cut the story short i soon found out this vet was clueless when i asked he said there normal avian vet was off sick for the day.
He said he looked a bit scruffy but said this was due to him molting.
Anyway after the drive and the drama of it all i wasn't best pleased they could have at least told me when i booked the appointment!

put him back in his box with a bit less effort this time and drove home.

Had a number of a friend about a vet he had used in the past so i give him a call and spent half hour on the phone going through in details the problems.

He,s give me a calcium additive to put in his water this should help with his molt and feather.

He also give me a product called Guardian Angel Its a comprehensive supplement for sick or stressed birds.
Immune support probiotics vitamins and minerals plus long term energy.

Its been 2 days on this now and he does seem to be more himself not getting any worse that's for sure and he,s back to grinding his beak.

I,l update again in a few days.
thanks for all the kind messages.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/05/11 09:54 PM

Update for you all today birdi went back to a vet this time a proper avian vet.
He,s diagnosed a shortness of breath witch is down to an illness called chlamydohila.
Ive been proscribed some antibiotics to put in his water and booked anther appointment for a week thursday to do back and see him again.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 04/05/11 10:41 PM

I am not sure how much you know about that diagnosis...but it doesn't hurt for you to google it and find out as much as you can about it since I believe that can be contagious to humans (zoonotic) and it would be advisable to be checked out by a Dr yourself and be very careful.I don't know if your AV discussed this with you or not but thought I should mention it just in case.I would imagine they have though.

This report was from 2007 but it is a safe link to post.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/05/11 11:25 PM

yes i did google it and it is a bit worrying but the vet didn't say anything about it.

also experienced my first blood drawing bite today! not very nice at all i pulled my had away only for him to be hanging from my finger by his beak!
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 04/06/11 02:48 AM

Glad to hear that you finally have a diagnosis and it is treatable!! Keep us posted on how he's doing please and to be safe you should call your health care provider and see if they want to put you on preventative treatment.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/06/11 05:48 AM

This IS a zoonotic disease, but it generally only passed to people with weakened immune systems. We had a case last year, and my employee on chemo wasn't allowed near that building. All staff were required to wear masks and gloves until treatment was well underway. We also closed the facility to visitors and tours for 2 weeks until everyone was being treated. We treated every single bird in that enclosure. If you have any other birds at home, they will need treatment as well. This disease is primarily passed via dander, so you will not want to go anywhere there are other birds until yours is cured.

It is treatable, and the prognosis is usually pretty good. But it is exceptionally contagious amongst birds.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/06/11 09:18 PM

Thanks for the advice there are no other birds in the house or anywhere that i visit so thats ok.

On the other point my wife is a nurse so she,s pretty clued up on what to look out for in us.

Dose anyone know how he would have caught this? i haven't been near any other birds since we had him.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/06/11 09:46 PM

Chlamydia is an intercellular disease. The bird can have it for years, but the virus doesn't become active until the bird is stressed. Then the virus starts shedding, he becomes contagious, and can crash very quickly. The worst thing is that you can test for Chlamydia, and if they are not actively shedding the virus, they will test negative, even if they have it. This is one of the main reasons we do a 45 day iso period. The stress of iso is enough for a bird to start shedding the virus.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 08:25 PM

Today birdi has taken a bad turn for the worst,
since going to the vet last week nothing really changed.
today i came home to find him at the bottom of his cage wings outstretched and shacking like he was having a fit.

this lasted about 5 minuets although i don't know how long he had been on the cage floor for.

Ive rang the vet to get an appointment but the vet i seen is away and the soonest i can get is tomorrow morning but i fear this will be to late.

at the moment he,s lying on his back very breathing very shallow
eyes closed.
ive picked him up but he no longer has the strength to hold his head up.

the vet i spoke to said to prepare for the worst, its also had me thinking did they diagnose his illness correctly.
Posted By: MissYumYum

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 08:35 PM

OMG! I am so sorry!! Do your best to keep him warm and try to get some water into him! Please just hold him, he needs the comfort... prayers for you guys.

Annette
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 08:56 PM

Ive tried getting some water to him with a syringe but i don't know if he,s taking it down or just gagging on it.
don't know what to do for the best i have an appointment but not till the morning he,s been like this for a few hours,im suprised he still hanging in there.
just been looking over him and found what seems to be a large growth on his chest.
i cant believe the vet didn't notice this as it must have been there last week.

i know he realy needs water but dont know what to do for the best.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 09:51 PM

The "growth" on his chest could be his crop. That's where all food is stored until it slowly moves down into the stomachs. If he is failing, the digestion process halts and the crop remains full. Hence the "growth" affect.

The symptoms you are describing are very common for chlamydia. Makes sure he is kept warm. I would not try to give him more fluids yourself, as you do not want him to asperate (sp) any of them.

See if you can find another vet now. He probably needs sub-q fluids and an oxygen tent.

I am so sorry you are dealing with this. It is a horrific disease....which is why I was surprised by your vet's attitude when he did the diagnosis.

You are in my prayers. Good thoughts beaming your way.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 10:10 PM

Thanks for your thoughts ive been looking for a vet for the past few hours its 9pm here now.

there is very slight more movement at the moment if i stoke his chest he does very slightly try to lift a wing and his eye just opened ever so slightly.

the thing that looks like a growth is more on his throat than his chest.

he hasn't had any water for a good few hours now thats the worrying thing.
the way the vet sounded earlier i was expecting him to have gone a while ago but he seems to be hanging in there.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 10:14 PM

I am so sorry. You are in my thoughts. You will find a special place in heaven for what you have done for this bird.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 11:17 PM

I am so sorry.Have you been able to find someone to see him?

I wouldn't personally give him any more of the medication in case he is having an adverse reaction of some sort.Had he been eating normal until now? Is he regaining any strength at all?
Posted By: Brandy's mom

Re: Not him self - 04/13/11 11:26 PM

Prayers for strength for both of you..hugs!
Posted By: BE2Cassie

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 12:09 AM

Prayers heading your way for a positive turn around tonight.
Nancy
Posted By: Anniesmom

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 04:09 AM

I will also send you prayers for you and your baby
Posted By: Birdfriend

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 04:15 AM

The most important thing right now is to keep him very warm... (worrying with everyone else and praying. Sorry you are going through this.)
Posted By: Ladyhutch

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 06:45 AM

Praying for you and birdi. I am so sorry.

Sharon
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 07:44 AM

Add my healing thoughts and prayers as well.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 09:12 AM

8am here now and he,s still here no change since last night, just leaving for the vets about an hours drive.
I have a feeling there going to say theres nothing that can be done.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 11:22 AM

Birdie fell asleep for the last time today on the way to the vet.
I,d like to thank you all for your kind thoughts and prayers during the last few hours.
He will sooly missed.
Posted By: FeatheredAngels

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 01:41 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, you and Birdie will be in my thoughts and prayers. He is flying free now in the heavens.
Posted By: Brandy's mom

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 03:26 PM

I'm so, so sorry! I know there are no healing words right now, but I am crying also for your loss.
Posted By: Cheryl C

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 03:39 PM

My heartfelt condolences for your loss.
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 04:35 PM

I am so sorry. I will be placing a memory stone for him today at Angel's Rest. Fly high and free little Birdie.
Posted By: Janny

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 04:39 PM

So very sorry for your loss.My thoughts are with you all.
Posted By: MissYumYum

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 05:35 PM

I am so very sorry for your loss of Birdie! My heart goes out to you, but please know that Birdie was comforted by your presence and care - thank you for doing all you could and for being there for him. Fly free, precious Birdie! Jacque's Memory Stone will be such a beautiful tribute to your friend.


Annette
Posted By: Ladyhutch

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 05:57 PM

My deepest sympathy on the loss of your companion. Fly free sweet Birdie. May your memories of the special times you had with Birdie help ease the pain of our loss.
Thank you for all you did to help this feathered angel.

Sharon
Posted By: Anniesmom

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 08:41 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, Birdie is flying high, and I pray for the time when you can remember Birdie with a smile.
Posted By: EchosMom

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 09:32 PM

We mourn his loss with you. Thank you for all you did for him.
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 09:47 PM

Thank you for all your kind messages my wife is in tears reading them.
The house is a much quiter and sadder house tonight but were glad Birdie is no longer suffering and is finally at peace.

We would like to thank Jacque for your Memory Stone and everyone else for your friendly advice in the short time birdie was with us.
Posted By: Stormy

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 10:35 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, Birdie is flying free, healthy and happy waiting till you both meet again!
Posted By: LuvMyBabies

Re: Not him self - 04/14/11 10:50 PM

I really need to stop signing on here while Im at work. This is the second time Ive teared up. Im so sorry and you are amazing for doing everything you could to try to save him, remember that please and remember the good times and that he is happy now and thankful for everything you did.
Posted By: BE2Cassie

Re: Not him self - 04/15/11 03:00 AM

My condolences to you and your family. Birdie will be waiting at the Rainbow Bridge for you some day to show his thanks for all you did for him.
Nancy
Posted By: Crzy4Brdz

Re: Not him self - 04/15/11 05:38 AM

I am trying to think of something sweet and profound to say but I'm too busy crying. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss. Sending you endurance and peace...
Posted By: bellesmom

Re: Not him self - 04/15/11 05:55 AM

I am so sorry for your loss, I'm thankful that Birdie had someone who loved and cared for him in these last few months of his life. Fly free sweet one.
kim
Posted By: jm47

Re: Not him self - 04/16/11 12:58 AM

God love you, you did your best for him. And God love Birdie, too; He does, you know, even more than you do, and He loves you, as well. Wish I could hug you both.
Posted By: ownedbytoos

Re: Not him self - 04/18/11 09:46 PM

God indeed loves you and there will be animals in heaven. Losing a beloved friend is very hard. Your love for him showed.
Posted By: popeye1

Re: Not him self - 04/18/11 11:19 PM

My heart goes out to you....Kim
Posted By: Jacque

Re: Not him self - 04/18/11 11:19 PM

Here is a picture of the memory stone I placed for Birdie. It's the white one behind the green one (that I placed for Biddybe) at the bottom right of the picture. Fly free Birdie.

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr42/TopysMom/Best%20Friends/Angels%20Nest/018.jpg
Posted By: LuvMyBabies

Re: Not him self - 04/18/11 11:30 PM

Your awesome Jacque thats so sweet of you!
Posted By: Lucy's Mom

Re: Not him self - 04/19/11 12:03 AM

I don't know how I missed these posts but I am most impressed with how you did your best throughout this ordeal. Fly free Birdie...often it is so difficult for those of us that are left and this board knows how you feel and our love goes out to you and your family.
Blessings,
Posted By: all sorts

Re: Not him self - 04/20/11 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jacque
Here is a picture of the memory stone I placed for Birdie. It's the white one behind the green one (that I placed for Biddybe) at the bottom right of the picture. Fly free Birdie.

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr42/TopysMom/Best%20Friends/Angels%20Nest/018.jpg


Thats real nice of you thanks for taking the time out to do that and to everyone else that's posted there condolences.
Its been a week now and still in the habit of expecting him to be there when we come home.
Posted By: Crzy4Brdz

Re: Not him self - 04/21/11 12:12 AM

That is a wonderful memorial... Many hugs and best wishes.
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